Re: Opinions wanted: best anti-oxident for soap?

[Guest guest]

>I've been doing some reading at

>the Eastman web site.ÿ And it's been on my mind to ask about something.

>This statement is from there:

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>TENOX BHT Antioxidant, Kosher

>

>Chemically, BHT is 2,6 ditertiarybutyl-4-methyl phenol. It is commonly known

>as butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT). It is effective as an antioxidant in

>animal fats, but rather ineffective in vegetable oils. It has good

>carry-through properties and because it is volatile, it can be used in

>packaging materials. It is almost universally approved for human and animal

>use. BHT provides good synergism when used in combination with BHA.

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>Given the above statement, if I am making an all-veggie oil soap, it would

>seem that there would be little or no benefit to using BHT.

I would disagree. In all probability this statement was made relative

to the other antioxidents that are sold by Eastman Chemical.

>Would I not be

>better off using Covi-ox T-50?

I guess that all depends what you mean by " better off " . I don't make

soaps, but I do use Covi-ox T-50 as an antioxident in some of my creams

and lotions. Tocopherol looks better than BHT on the label.

You may want to check out the two Eastman documents that I just

uploaded to the Cosmeticinfo files area.

Maurice

>If my lotions contain only veggie oils, would this not still hold true?

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

[Guest guest]

> Pat, I'm glad you brought that up, because I've been doing some reading at

> the Eastman web site. And it's been on my mind to ask about something.

> This statement is from there:

, I used to use it in soap and I have never had a problem with it. I

have some soap around the house that is 3-4 years old, superfatted at 8%

with no sign of rancidity. I use all vegetable oils with the exception of

the little oil from goat milk.

Pat.

Peace, Joy, Serenity

House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc.

pat@...

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Pat and Maurice, for the info. I will be reading through the

information Maurice uploaded. I've been using T-50 in my lotions and other

cosmetics and ROE in my oils prior to making soap. I know the jury's out on

that one, but it is what I've been using. I make nothing but goat milk

soaps and superfat at @ 3%-4% (including calculation for the butterfat) so

the lack of rancidity in my bars that are over a year or more old could be

due to low excess oils. I had recently purchased BHT primarily for use in

some salt/sugar scrubs, but then saw the blurb on Eastman's site and knew I

needed more information. This fits the bill!

Pat wrote:

> , I used to use it in soap and I have never had a problem with it. I

> have some soap around the house that is 3-4 years old, superfatted at 8%

> with no sign of rancidity. I use all vegetable oils with the exception of

> the little oil from goat milk.

>

> Pat.

>

[Guest guest]

> >TENOX BHT Antioxidant, Kosher

> >

> >Chemically, BHT

Hi,

FWIIW, it also causes soap to yellow, (a lot), after a few months.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Hi again,

Should also say in hot climates.

Jen

[Guest guest]

I remember Sherri from Oshun posting about that eons ago, but adding

that when she added tetrasodium EDTA to the soap, the yellowing went

away...

Jules in Vancouver BC

> > >TENOX BHT Antioxidant, Kosher

> > >

> > >Chemically, BHT

>

> Hi,

> FWIIW, it also causes soap to yellow, (a lot), after a few

months.

>

> Jen

[Guest guest]

You are right Pat, it was not a chemist here. He used to be on

another list.

I thought BHT was a prevervative, not an anti-oxident. Did I not

listen well?

Anyone that has an adversion to BHT better buy a farm and go

totally organic. It is in a lot of boxed foods and cereal. ; )

Thanks Pat, , Maurice, Jen and Jules for your input. I guess if BHT

discolors yellow that is why the Industry uses TD in their " soap/syndets "

all the time.

Guess I will read the files some more and weigh options. I hesitate to us

T-50, because my soaps are luxury bars and pretty stiff priced as it is.

In WA state have not needed anti-oxidents but I hesitate to trust Louisiana's

weather on my soaps.

Dee

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPSoapBook/

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> Pat wrote:

> > Dee, I don't think the chemists on this list have stated that. I am only

> > aware of one chemist that states that ROE is better and he is not a

> cosmetic

> > chemist. He also has a vested interest because his company sells it.

> >

> > The most cost effective and according to some, a superior antioxidant is

> > BHT. However, some people don't want to show it on their label. I don't

> know

> > why as it is sold in health food stores.

and

<<< Hi,

FWIIW, it also causes soap to yellow, (a lot), after a few months.>>

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