Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 The problem I encounter when talking to dairy farmers is the liability issue. If they sell their milk to a processing plant then they aren't liable for any disease. If they sell their milk to you and you get sick (and even if the milk isn't to blame it is the first thing folks do blame) you will sue them. That is what holds back most of the farmers I've spoken to, that and the uncertain sales. This month you have 50 people coming to the farm for milk and next month none. What happens to your income? The cow share or cow ownership program might help with the uncertain income. Belinda Hey , Yes, I do have some of that stuff already. According to the CDC, there are 76 million cases of food borne illness in the US each year and 5000 deaths! Scary. And these are from foods other than raw milk. And yes, I will mention that we can buy cigarettes, booze, and other things that are well known to be hazardous to our health. The focus on raw milk is just myopic and ridiculous. More people have probably died from raw oysters and other types of seafood than from raw milk. I would love to have to seafood statistic because I bet it's high. I will search the CDC site for that info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 , you might also want to find statistics for foodborn (sp?) illnesses from legal products, like hamburger (it's still sold raw, it's up the the consumer to decide how long to cook it...), and pasteurized milk. Or reactions to legal OTC drugs. Why are we not afraid of these products? Why aren't they outlawed? This might get people thinking about their own biases and inconsistencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Hey , Yes, I do have some of that stuff already. According to the CDC, there are 76 million cases of food borne illness in the US each year and 5000 deaths! Scary. And these are from foods other than raw milk. And yes, I will mention that we can buy cigarettes, booze, and other things that are well known to be hazardous to our health. The focus on raw milk is just myopic and ridiculous. More people have probably died from raw oysters and other types of seafood than from raw milk. I would love to have to seafood statistic because I bet it's high. I will search the CDC site for that info. kristenchavez wrote: > , you might also want to find statistics for foodborn (sp?) > illnesses from > legal products, like hamburger (it's still sold raw, it's up the the > consumer to > decide how long to cook it...), and pasteurized milk. Or reactions to > legal > OTC drugs. Why are we not afraid of these products? Why aren't they > outlawed? This might get people thinking about their own biases and > inconsistencies. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Hey Belinda, Yes, I know about those liability concerns. I would be concerned as well, in our litigious society. But the cow boarding program seems to remove that liability. It is the consumer's own cow, so if they get sick, it's from their own milk and there's no one to sue. It would have to be set up right contractually speaking. But I will stress that when I speak, because you are right, it is a concern. bilherbs@... wrote: The problem I encounter when talking to dairy farmers is the liability issue. If they sell their milk to a processing plant then they aren't liable for any disease. If they sell their milk to you and you get sick (and even if the milk isn't to blame it is the first thing folks do blame) you will sue them. That is what holds back most of the farmers I've spoken to, that and the uncertain sales. This month you have 50 people coming to the farm for milk and next month none. What happens to your income? The cow share or cow ownership program might help with the uncertain income. Belinda Yahoo! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Check out Sclosser's Fast Food Nation for incredible stuff with stats on problems with meat. Ron -----Original Message-----From: Dady Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:49 PMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: more on raw dairyHey ,Yes, I do have some of that stuff already. According to the CDC, there are 76 million cases of food borne illness in the US each year and 5000 deaths! Scary. And these are from foods other than raw milk. And yes, I will mention that we can buy cigarettes, booze, and other things that are well known to be hazardous to our health. The focus on raw milk is just myopic and ridiculous. More people have probably died from raw oysters and other types of seafood than from raw milk. I would love to have to seafood statistic because I bet it's high. I will search the CDC site for that info.kristenchavez wrote:> , you might also want to find statistics for foodborn (sp?) > illnesses from> legal products, like hamburger (it's still sold raw, it's up the the > consumer to> decide how long to cook it...), and pasteurized milk. Or reactions to > legal> OTC drugs. Why are we not afraid of these products? Why aren't they> outlawed? This might get people thinking about their own biases and> inconsistencies.>> >>To learn more about Raw Dairy, visit our home pages at http://www.midvalleyvu.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Hi , I meant to include this little sample from Mr. Schlosser, as I quote him in my book: It’s not just Salmonella and Listeria in American meat and processed foods. Thirty percent of ground beef samples taken at processing plants were contaminated with the pathogen Staphylococcus aureus and over half with Clostridium perfringens. “All of these pathogens can make people sick,” Schlosser wrote in Fast Food Nation. “Food poisoning caused by Listeria generally requires hospitalization and proves fatal in about one out of every five cases. In the USDA study, 78.6 percent of the ground beef contained microbes that are spread primarily by fecal material. The medical literature on the causes of food poisoning is full of euphemisms and dry scientific terms: coliform levels, aerobic plate counts, sorbitol, MacConkey agar and so on. Behind them lies a simple explanation for why eating a hamburger can now make you seriously ill: There is shit in the meat.” Ibid., 197. Data from “Nationwide Federal Plant Raw Ground Beef Microbiological Survey, August 1993-March 1994,” United States Department of Agriculture, Food Safety and Inspection Service, Science and Technology, Microbiology Division, April 1996. -----Original Message-----From: Dr. Ron Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:12 PMTo: RawDairy Subject: RE: more on raw dairy Check out Sclosser's Fast Food Nation for incredible stuff with stats on problems with meat. Ron -----Original Message-----From: Dady Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:49 PMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: more on raw dairyHey ,Yes, I do have some of that stuff already. According to the CDC, there are 76 million cases of food borne illness in the US each year and 5000 deaths! Scary. And these are from foods other than raw milk. And yes, I will mention that we can buy cigarettes, booze, and other things that are well known to be hazardous to our health. The focus on raw milk is just myopic and ridiculous. More people have probably died from raw oysters and other types of seafood than from raw milk. I would love to have to seafood statistic because I bet it's high. I will search the CDC site for that info.kristenchavez wrote:> , you might also want to find statistics for foodborn (sp?) > illnesses from> legal products, like hamburger (it's still sold raw, it's up the the > consumer to> decide how long to cook it...), and pasteurized milk. Or reactions to > legal> OTC drugs. Why are we not afraid of these products? Why aren't they> outlawed? This might get people thinking about their own biases and> inconsistencies.>> >>To learn more about Raw Dairy, visit our home pages at http://www.midvalleyvu.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 OH MY GOSH, Dr. Ron, I laughed and laughed! Too funny and sadly too true. SITM. Dr. Ron wrote: Hi , I meant to include this little sample from Mr. Schlosser, as I quote him in my book: It’s not just Salmonella and Listeria in American meat and processed foods. Thirty percent of ground beef samples taken at processing plants were contaminated with the pathogen Staphylococcus aureus and over half with Clostridium perfringens. “All of these pathogens can make people sick,” Schlosser wrote in Fast Food Nation. “Food poisoning caused by Listeria generally requires hospitalization and proves fatal in about one out of every five cases. In the USDA study, 78.6 percent of the ground beef contained microbes that are spread primarily by fecal material. The medical literature on the causes of food poisoning is full of euphemisms and dry scientific terms: coliform levels, aerobic plate counts, sorbitol, MacConkey agar and so on. Behind them lies a simple explanation for why eating a hamburger can now make you seriously ill: There is shit in the meat.” Ibid., 197. Data from “Nationwide Federal Plant Raw Ground Beef Microbiological Survey, August 1993-March 1994,” United States Department of Agriculture, Food Safety and Inspection Service, Science and Technology, Microbiology Division, April 1996. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Well put, --yes, make sure you emphasize the beauty of the cow-share! We're all behind you on this talk, of course, and good luck! Tom > > > The problem I encounter when talking to dairy farmers is the liability > > issue. If they sell their milk to a processing plant then they aren't > > liable for any disease. If they sell their milk to you and you get > > sick (and even if the milk isn't to blame it is the first thing folks > > do blame) you will sue them. That is what holds back most of the > > farmers I've spoken to, that and the uncertain sales. This month you > > have 50 people coming to the farm for milk and next month none. What > > happens to your income? The cow share or cow ownership program might > > help with the uncertain income. > > > > Belinda > > Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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