Re: fresh vs raw and other terminology

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I think we've got it! Thanks everyone!

Kathy

P.S. Is it a class, lecture, talk or presentation I am doing? Just kidding!

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> > > I was hoping to hear from you! Thank you for your advice and

> > support. I will

> > > incorporate the concept into my talk-that won't be difficult! And

> > practice saying

> > > " fresh " instead of " raw " -that might be more of a challenge!

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> > > Kathy

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> > I definitely agree about the word " fresh " as an alternative to " raw "

> > for new audiences. I would use the phrase " fresh, unprocessed " to

> > draw attention to the larger issue of milk processing, with issues

> > independent of heat treatment, like homogenization, fortification,

> > reconstitution, etc. This more general concept of quality goes hand-

> > in-hand with the issue of the animal's diet, pasturing, etc, and

> > these are crucial issues that should appeal to most people's

> > intuition and may be even more important than the heat treatment

> > issue. After all, getting unfortified milk reduces to the same

> > problem as getting unpasteurized milk,so these issues are mutually

> > reinforcing at the practical level of a person's lifestyle choices.

> > By placing rawness in this broader context and not singling it out,

> > you can imply that it's a normal, natural thing, not a big deal. It

> > also minimizes the risk of coming across as a single-minded

> > countercultural fanatic. By using the word " raw " one foregrounds a

> > binary opposition of raw/heated that requires special specification,

> > a reaction to the negative of pasteurization, whereas " fresh "

> > emphasizes the positive as a larger concept subsuming rawness. By

> > expressing rawness as an inherent part of a general condition of

> > freshness, one implies it's the normal, natural, default state of

> > affairs and doesn't require special mention, This is related to the

> > deep point that dirty/clean is a natural opposition, while

> > dirty/pasteurized is not. Everybody knows fresh is good, and anyone

> > who pursues the heat treatment topic with you individually can simply

> > and casually be referred to Ron Schmid's book. I don't think many

> > people respond well to passionate " sales pitches " , which give a

> > feeling of tension, polarization, and controversy. (Maybe some kind

> > of irony/complication in here since you're addressing a religious

> > audience!!) Conversely, a confident and easy-mannered remark to the

> > effect that unheated milk is healthier and there are doctors who

> > recommend it their patients, followed by a single solid book

> > recommendation, should convey the more appropriate feeling that

> > they're simply in the dark about a potentially important topic and

> > that the burden of being convinced can be taken upon themselves with

> > the friendly support of a fellow community member.

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> > I think the deeper NT/WAP theme of traditional food culture and the

> > absence of 20th century health epidemics in previous times is a

> > better way to kindle interest in these matters, rather than diving

> > into narrow topics like dairy, especially since dairy is far from

> > being a universal food and could easily be dispensed with in favor of

> > dozens of other food choices. For those with an inclination towards

> > dairy, the more universal concept of quality (source, soil, nutrient-

> > density, lack of harmful processing, use of helpful processing,

> > ecological sustainability, freedom from toxins, etc) will lead

> > directly and inevitably to our pet issues of dairy quality, including

> > rawness.

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> > I would mention soil quality, proper feeding/raising of animals, the

> > nutritional importance of animal foods, the universality

> > of " dirty " /raw/fermented foods and their importance to our digestion,

> > the problems of processed sugar/grains, etc. Dairy could be covered

> > under the topic of fermented foods by mentioning the near-

> > universality of fermented dairy in various forms among dairy-

> > consuming cultures. This kind of broad, historical perspective was

> > the most compelling part of the NT/WAP teachings when I was

> > converting to this worldview. The simple statement that most foods

> > eaten by members of your audience didn't exist before the 20th

> > century has overwhelming import.

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> > Mike

> > SE Pennsylvania

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