Re: Did Bill use 'roids?

[Guest guest]

Muscle Media started out as the anti-fitness mag it was made for body

builders and it talked about all the stuff that other fitness mags

like flex and IronMan and Muscle & fitness, wouldn't talk about, used

to have big sections on the use of steroids, which ones were good and

what fakes to watch out for, I haven't looked at one lately, so I

don't know if it is the same. I don't know if Bill used the juice or

not, their are some pretty big Bill haters out there, most

of them are bodybuilders that feel betrayed when he made the change

from a BodyBuilders rag to a rag that everyone wanted to read (can't

say that I blame him, more money in making the rag more appealing to

everyone). some looked to him as their champion (for lack of a better

term and when he changed his magazine and came out with BFL and

changed EAS to put out the products he used to detest in his mag,

they felt betrayed.

here is a website from a couple of bill phillips haters

http://mfw.tico.com/buttplug.cfm

I read this yesterday, kind of funny you brought this up, I don't

support their view, just interesting, the best thing to read is the

person who put up the site about why Mfw really hates bill phillips

not trying to start shit

Bill

> I hope I don't start a fight, but I wanted to bring some negatives

> that I found. I read the Bill used 'roids to get where he

> is today and that none of the Challenge winners that submitted to a

> polygraph test passed the test when asked if they used 'roids. I

> don't feel this is any big deal. I don't expect the results that

> they achieved.

>

> Also, EAS says that only 1 in 15 that register for the challenge,

> complete it. Not surprising since it is a committment. Although,

I

> am not officially competing, I know that I am going to finish.

>

> Also, many people are saying that Bill's book isn't anything new.

> Bascially it says eat right and exercise, stick with it, and you

will

> see results. This is exactly why it is so popular. It is simple

to

> follow. The only thing you need is the desire. You can think of

> lots of excuses not to do it. Some people are saying, they didn't

> like the promotion of EAS products. It turned them off. I believe

> this to be an excuse for not trying the program. Even Bill

> says in his book that supplements are not required. Of course, he

is

> going to push them a little since he stands to gain something.

>

> I am overwhelmed by the number of websites where people succeeded

> with BFL and posted there pics and experiences. Not only that, I

> have heard so much good about BFL that hasn't been from the web.

>

> Andyman

[Guest guest]

Ewww, yuck, yikes. Those guys on that web page

http://mfw.tico.com/buttplug.cfm sound really immature and insecure

with their masculinity. They sound like a bunch of homophobes to me

and are just trying to say things to discredit Bill .

Personally, I don't care about his personal life and I am not even

sure why they make these insinuations and rude comments. Scum of the

earth rednecks (no offense to nice rednecks).

Andyman

> > I hope I don't start a fight, but I wanted to bring some

negatives

> > that I found. I read the Bill used 'roids to get where

he

> > is today and that none of the Challenge winners that submitted to

a

> > polygraph test passed the test when asked if they used 'roids. I

> > don't feel this is any big deal. I don't expect the results that

> > they achieved.

> >

> > Also, EAS says that only 1 in 15 that register for the challenge,

> > complete it. Not surprising since it is a committment.

Although,

> I

> > am not officially competing, I know that I am going to finish.

> >

> > Also, many people are saying that Bill's book isn't anything

new.

> > Bascially it says eat right and exercise, stick with it, and you

> will

> > see results. This is exactly why it is so popular. It is simple

> to

> > follow. The only thing you need is the desire. You can think of

> > lots of excuses not to do it. Some people are saying, they

didn't

> > like the promotion of EAS products. It turned them off. I

believe

> > this to be an excuse for not trying the program. Even Bill

>

> > says in his book that supplements are not required. Of course,

he

> is

> > going to push them a little since he stands to gain something.

> >

> > I am overwhelmed by the number of websites where people succeeded

> > with BFL and posted there pics and experiences. Not only that, I

> > have heard so much good about BFL that hasn't been from the web.

> >

> > Andyman

[Guest guest]

I don't believe the average person can get the results depicted in

the book without quite a bit of supplementation, 'roids or otherwise.

Andy

> I hope I don't start a fight, but I wanted to bring some negatives

> that I found. I read the Bill used 'roids to get where he

> is today and that none of the Challenge winners that submitted to a

> polygraph test passed the test when asked if they used 'roids. I

> don't feel this is any big deal. I don't expect the results that

> they achieved.

>

> Also, EAS says that only 1 in 15 that register for the challenge,

> complete it. Not surprising since it is a committment. Although,

I

> am not officially competing, I know that I am going to finish.

>

> Also, many people are saying that Bill's book isn't anything new.

> Bascially it says eat right and exercise, stick with it, and you

will

> see results. This is exactly why it is so popular. It is simple

to

> follow. The only thing you need is the desire. You can think of

> lots of excuses not to do it. Some people are saying, they didn't

> like the promotion of EAS products. It turned them off. I believe

> this to be an excuse for not trying the program. Even Bill

> says in his book that supplements are not required. Of course, he

is

> going to push them a little since he stands to gain something.

>

> I am overwhelmed by the number of websites where people succeeded

> with BFL and posted there pics and experiences. Not only that, I

> have heard so much good about BFL that hasn't been from the web.

>

> Andyman

[Guest guest]

You linked us to a repulsive article.

Bill packaged age-old body building wisdom into something the average person could read, understand and follow. He never claimed to invent it.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Andy,

Have you seen the video, "Body of Work"? I highly recommend it.

Bill has never hidden the fact that at age 21 he was using steroids and wanted to be a professional body builder. "After realizing that this endeavor wasn't about health or fitness, it was about a circus combined with protracted suicide. And I said to myself I've got to get out of this." (his exact words from the video). It was then that he decided that he wanted to share with people what he had learned from body building and that is that the rewards of body building aren't just about physical strength, the biggest rewards are in building a foundation for your life that allows you to accomplish things you never thought possible.

The video is probably where they get the information about the polygraph test. The original winners (1997) were given polygraph tests and three (not all) were questionable about the use of steroids. One person actually didn't pass on what his name was. But if you know anything about polygraph testing then you know they are not very reliable. They had urine test also and they all passed them. They decided to throw the polygraph test out.

It's not just with Body For Life that only 1 in 15 follow through with a fitness goal, it's with any exercise program. People just want an easy way out, they want the quick fix.

Bill never said he "invented" this information. He has just combined the most effective strategies into one plan.

Call EAS and get the video, it's great and it tells you about how the Challenge got started and what Bill's intentions were.

I have met Bill in person (twice),he is very down to earth and very complementary to everyone he meets. I'm sure like all of us he has another side, but I admire him a lot.

Cheryl C.

[Guest guest]

Bad Bill West : ) I could have lived without that link too, but I

guess if anything it shows us how jealous people can get of someone's

success and try to reduce their credibility.

I agree. Bill is a marketing genius AND the program works.

I can respect him even more for that. I hope he continues to make

lots of money.

Andyman

> You linked us to a repulsive article.

>

> Bill packaged age-old body building wisdom into something

the average person could read, understand and follow. He never

claimed to invent it.

>

> Sara

[Guest guest]

Thanks for reminding me that I ordered that video and another of his

videos two months ago and have never received them. I guess I will

try again. I ordered online before so I will give them a call and

see if they still have my order. I would really like to see it.

Thanks for the information and explanation. I really appreciate it.

It just makes me respect the guy even more since I know we all make

choices that we later regret. It is great that we can learn from

them and help others.

Andyman

> Andy,

>

> Have you seen the video, " Body of Work " ? I highly recommend it.

>

> Bill has never hidden the fact that at age 21 he was using steroids

and wanted to be a professional body builder. " After realizing that

this endeavor wasn't about health or fitness, it was about a circus

combined with protracted suicide. And I said to myself I've got to

get out of this. " (his exact words from the video). It was then that

he decided that he wanted to share with people what he had learned

from body building and that is that the rewards of body building

aren't just about physical strength, the biggest rewards are in

building a foundation for your life that allows you to accomplish

things you never thought possible.

> The video is probably where they get the information about the

polygraph test. The original winners (1997) were given polygraph

tests and three (not all) were questionable about the use of

steroids. One person actually didn't pass on what his name was. But

if you know anything about polygraph testing then you know they are

not very reliable. They had urine test also and they all passed

them. They decided to throw the polygraph test out.

> It's not just with Body For Life that only 1 in 15 follow through

with a fitness goal, it's with any exercise program. People just

want an easy way out, they want the quick fix.

> Bill never said he " invented " this information. He has just

combined the most effective strategies into one plan.

>

> Call EAS and get the video, it's great and it tells you about how

the Challenge got started and what Bill's intentions were.

> I have met Bill in person (twice),he is very down to earth

and very complementary to everyone he meets. I'm sure like all of us

he has another side, but I admire him a lot.

>

> Cheryl C.

[Guest guest]

Did you see his movie Body of Work? I think there were only 2 of the

initial challenge competitors that were suspected of using steroids, and

Bill ended up taking their word for it 'cause they SWORE it wasn't true!!

Did Bill use 'roids?

> I hope I don't start a fight, but I wanted to bring some negatives

> that I found. I read the Bill used 'roids to get where he

> is today and that none of the Challenge winners that submitted to a

> polygraph test passed the test when asked if they used 'roids

[Guest guest]

>Did you see his movie Body of Work? I think there were only 2 of the

>initial challenge competitors that were suspected of using steroids, and

>Bill ended up taking their word for it 'cause they SWORE it wasn't true!!

Actually it was 3 of the guys. Jeff was one (drool), I can't remember the

other 2, I haven't watched it for a couple months. I'll probably remember

about the time I mail this.

Anyway, I don't think they should have given them a polygraph anyway, they

are so unreliable. Especially if they were just going to throw it out

anyway which just lead to suspicion from so many ppl. A " hobby " of mine is

law enforcement/forensics/detectives and I've just seen so many ppl beat it

and so many ppl not pass because they felt guilty anyway or was nervous. I

think Jeff failed because he said that in the past he'd used it but not

then. He probably was thinking about when he used to and was getting

nervous.

I personally think I'd fail *any* question just out of being nervous!

Lana

[Guest guest]

Cheryl and everyone,

It seems like all of you guys are getting the opportunities to meet

people that I would love the opportunity to meet. How did you get to meet

the likes of Bill, Porter, etc????

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[Guest guest]

Well, I've met a lot of Champions.

First, I went to the first ever BFL Yahoo get together in Vegas last year. There I met , Abb Ansley, Hank , Jr., and Vicki Mangum as well as a lot of awesome BFLers like "Taz".

Then I met Lezlee who lives close to me in Bountiful, Utah. She has open houses to discuss BFL.

Next, Lezlee asked me if I wanted to go to the Slim Jim Victory Dinner for Make-A-Wish in Elko, NV, last August. One of the sponsors wanted her to come and she didn't want to go alone so she was looking for people to go as a group. Lezlee ended up not going as she had a photo shoot with EAS for the MM Total Training Guide, but I went (actually rode out with Everett Herbert in his EAS vette) and met Bill , , their mom, Suzanne, and Bill's beautiful girlfriend, along with even more wonderful BFLers. Then Bill came to Utah (SLC) last December for a book signing and I got to meet him 'again', along with his Mom and girlfriend. I also met Waite and his wife Tamera (from the MM article). He did the ad with the statue of you see all over.

In April 2001, Lezlee invited me to Logan, Utah where her and Everett were doing a live promotion at a supplement store. I met lots of great BFLers there as well, and Mike from EAS (sells rep).

I guess it is just luck and the fact that I live, sleep, eat, and breath BFL! Opportunities just seem to fall at my feet! What can I say????

Cheryl C.

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>Cheryl and everyone, It seems like all of you guys are getting the opportunities to meet people that I would love the opportunity to meet. How did you get to meet the likes of Bill, Porter, etc???? >