Re: no story, no world-- Eddie, ander

[Guest guest]

Dear Eddie and ,

To me this discussion sounds pretty abstract, or perhaps your

descriptions do not match my experience.

When I'm lucky, I feel like fish are swimming through me.

And every so often I believe a fish is real and dangerous. Then the

fish swallows me and I get carried away by it, (sounds like Jonah and

the whale) and I'm inside of the fish, in its dark belly, ignorant of

the ocean.

Else I come to just watch the fish and they are inside of me.

The perspective has changed, completely turned around.

From the latter view I feel expanded and peaceful.

Also I seem to get a much better look at the fish, admiring shapes

and colors.

Getting a good look at the fish is close to impossible when I'm

dragged along by it.

In order to change the perspective and get a better look at a fish, I

first need to acknowledge I'm eaten (do a worksheet to take stock of

my seemingly hopeless situation).

Then I question the reality of the fish (= the thought).

If I find that the fish is not real, it becomes just an innocent

illusion, right in that moment.

What a joke to think the fish could ever be that powerful to swallow

me!

It's just an innocent, harmless fish...

I think that for me, awareness would not occur if there were no fish

in the ocean (= no thoughts to become aware of).

They appear to define the ocean.

They are a prerequisite to becoming aware.

I love those fish!

My cup of ocean, holding my fish ... :-)

Love,

Eva

> Bravo!

> And even if you could take the fish away--which you could not, you

would not

> be able to control the fish from coming back. And if it did return,

we would

> all get to see it again.

>

> So what is there to be concerned about--NOTHING. Just watch the

fish and let

> them be.

>

> Cheers,

> Eddie

>

>

> >From: Olli 26 <olli_26@y...>

> >Reply-To: Loving-what-is

> >To: Loving-what-is

> >Subject: Re: Re: no story, no world

> >Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:44:52 +0200

> >

> >Forgive my stubborness, if you can.

> >

> >If I took away a fish, wich I can't, I wouldn't see it anymore,

what I

> >wouldn't be aware of, and so could no one else, because all is ONE.

> >

> >And therein lies peace.

> >

> >Thank you,

> >

[Guest guest]

> In order to change the perspective and get a better look at a fish,

> I first need to acknowledge I'm eaten (do a worksheet to take stock

> of my seemingly hopeless situation).

>

> Then I question the reality of the fish (= the thought).

*****perhaps it would be more efficacious to question the reality of

that which seeks the fish. ;-))) instead of cutting off the

branches, dissolve the root.

> If I find that the fish is not real, it becomes just an innocent

> illusion, right in that moment.

*****neither the fish, nor the fisher-person was *ever* real. other

than seeing that, there is nothing else to do. having seen that,

there is nothing else to do.

[Guest guest]

Hi Andy,

> > In order to change the perspective and get a better look at a

fish,

> > I first need to acknowledge I'm eaten (do a worksheet to take

stock

> > of my seemingly hopeless situation).

> >

> > Then I question the reality of the fish (= the thought).

>

>

>

> *****perhaps it would be more efficacious to question the reality

of

> that which seeks the fish. ;-))) instead of cutting off the

> branches, dissolve the root.

Questioning the reality of the ocean would amount to questioning the

reality of awareness.

Right now I cannot imagine that the answer to the question " Does

Awareness exist? " would ever be 'no', since it requires awareness to

do the questioning and to perceive the fish.

Maybe when also the questioning has left me, there will be no

awareness either.

I don't know.

Also, it appears to me that Awareness (the ocean) does not *seek* the

fish, it contains them, and then it may question the reality of how

they are being perceived.

> > If I find that the fish is not real, it becomes just an innocent

> > illusion, right in that moment.

>

>

> *****neither the fish, nor the fisher-person was *ever* real.

There is no fisher-person, in my experience, that's the beauty of it.

Whenever the perspective has changed from inside the fish to outside

the fish, it has become a multi-media total surround sound

experience..., which means it is from all sides simultaneously, and

awareness is both at the center AND the surrounding.

There is only an apparent fisher-person when he/she/it is inside of a

fish that he/she/it wants to get out of.

But an analogy can only go as far as it goes, which is never far

enough.

Since it can never be more than a story.

No story, no fishes, no ocean, no world.

Love,

Eva

[Guest guest]

Hi Eddie,

In the analogy I was using, Awareness was the ocean.

In my view, introducing Awareness as observing " one " trying to be

the ocean, as you appear to do, " one " is one too many.

But again, words.....

I'll give some more thought to your suggestion.

Love,

Eva

> Eva,

> Perhaps the ocean is not awareness--Perhaps Awareness is

observing " one "

> trying to be the ocean.

>

> Eddie

[Guest guest]

> Eva,

> You are always aware--you are AWARENESS.

> Eddie

I agree.

Only I tend to forget, sometimes, when eaten by a fish.

Hm, right now I feel a strong urge to prepare a fish-dish ... :-)

Switch roles for once.

Love,

Eva