Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Gentleman, (and any Ladies out there who are reading) I request some feedback since the introduction 4 months ago of the Steel-Bow. First, I have no scientific evidence to support this, so "tongue in cheek" I am proceeding with caution. As I have broken down the Steel-Bow routine into 3 segments; Isometric, Isotonic & Iso-Motion, I have never tested Iso-Motion solely by itself, as i have the other two routines. When I first started Iso-Motion, I could not keep the Level 1 (EASY) spring compressed all the way during the movement, despite my years of using my Bullworker. Since that time, I am now able to hold the compression completely either on the PUSH or the PULL. My routine is varied, but always involves continual movement. When my movement is slow in motion, I can feel all the muscles flex and contract from the waist up. Abs, Obliques, Lats, Delts, Traps, Chest, Biceps, Triceps and Forearms. The arm muscles are in a constant flex and usually determine how long I can do my Iso-Motion sets, as they are the muscle group that fatigues first. The same torso muscle group is exercised if I do the routine in a moderate speed, but the individual muscle consciousness is lost in the rapidity of the movement. My Iso-Motion (IM) routine grew out of a brief IM set between each Isometric exercise. If I did 10 Isometric exercises, I did 11 IM sets (always do an IM for my first set of anything). What I have found personally is there was symmetry to my physique from the results of just Iso-Motion that I did not have from the Isometric exercises alone. While the individual exercises were productive in their results, the sweeping motion of the compression in movement brought a more defined transition between muscle groups. As I started noticing a difference in my definition, I started incorporating more IM and less set exercises, testing my theory the motion was providing a type of “gymnast” resistance workout, as a gymnast would receive from the rings or pommel horse. The comparison is the motion of resistance, NOT the level of resistance used by gymnasts in these exercises. Please recognize this distinction. I have performed both of these disciplines in High School and there is no 70% level to any gymnastic routine. Furthermore, the only exercise my lower torso (legs/glutes) are receiving is the lunges and squats I do during this routine, which is much more movement received during my normal isometric upper torso exercises. I am pleased to say I am impressed with the results. Now that I have qualified the introduction to my request, I will state it: has anyone received similar benefits from the Iso-Motion routine, or has it just been a sideline exercise that is being ignored? As most of us are creatures of habit and not of the exploratory type, I would be interested in hearing anyone’s experience with the Iso-Motion. My routine developed over a four-month period with me gradually phasing out my isometric routine and going solely with the IM. I would “guestimate” a 6-8 week routine would shorten the process, but for me I was very pleasantly surprised how the IM performed by itself and the results produced. Again, my test was not to suppress Isometric or Isotonic exercises with the Bullworker, but how a separate routine of Iso-Motion works for individuals. In closing, while I found my compression strength improved in the IM area, my levels of Isometric compression went down somewhat from lack of doing set Isometric exercises. However, since my goal in my 50's is strength and flexibility with endurance, I was accomplishing more with IM than I was just solely with the Isometric. Again, my goals, not anyone else. After such isolated testing, I have gone back to the combination of Isometric with Iso-Motion combined as I still receive joy (and benefits) from the Isometric hold and combining the two routines. I appreciate any response anyone might care to share… now or in the near future. Bullworker USA Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Here is again pitching his product against the Isoworker....whydoesn't he give up? Let the users decide whether they want to buy hisstuff or the competition.... bullworkerusa@...: > Gentleman, (and any Ladies out there who are reading) I requestsome feedback since the introduction 4 months ago of the Steel-Bow. First, I have no scientific evidence to support this, so "tongue incheek" I am proceeding with caution. As I have broken down the Steel-Bowroutine into 3 segments; Isometric, Isotonic Iso-Motion, I have nevertested Iso-Motion solely by itself, as i have the other two routines. When I first started Iso-Motion, I could not keep the Level 1(EASY) spring compressed all the way during the movement, despite myyears of using my Bullworker. Since that time, I am now able to holdthe compression completely either on the PUSH or the PULL. Myroutine is varied, but always involves continual movement. When mymovement is slow in motion, I can feel all the muscles flex and contractfrom the waist up. Abs, Obliques, Lats, Delts, Traps, Chest, Biceps,Triceps and Forearms. The arm muscles are in a constant flex andusually determine how long I can do my Iso-Motion sets, as they are themuscle group that fatigues first. The same torso muscle groupis exercised if I do the routine in a moderate speed, but the individualmuscle consciousness is lost in the rapidity of the movement. MyIso-Motion (IM) routine grew out of a brief IM set between eachIsometric exercise. If I did 10 Isometric exercises, I did 11 IM sets(always do an IM for my first set of anything). What I havefound personally is there was symmetry to my physique from the resultsof just Iso-Motion that I did not have from the Isometric exercisesalone. While the individual exercises were productive in their results,the sweeping motion of the compression in movement brought a moredefined transition between muscle groups. As I started noticinga difference in my definition, I started incorporating more IM and lessset exercises, testing my theory the motion was providing a type of“gymnast” resistance workout, as a gymnast would receive from the ringsor pommel horse. The comparison is the motion of resistance, NOT thelevel of resistance used by gymnasts in these exercises. Pleaserecognize this distinction. I have performed both of these disciplinesin High School and there is no 70% level to any gymnastic routine. Furthermore, the only exercise my lower torso (legs/glutes) arereceiving is the lunges and squats I do during this routine, which ismuch more movement received during my normal isometric upper torsoexercises. I am pleased to say I am impressed with the results. Now that I have qualified the introduction to my request, I will stateit: has anyone received similar benefits from the Iso-Motion routine, orhas it just been a sideline exercise that is being ignored? Asmost of us are creatures of habit and not of the exploratory type, Iwould be interested in hearing anyone’s experience with the Iso-Motion. My routine developed over a four-month period with me gradually phasingout my isometric routine and going solely with the IM. I would“guestimate” a 6-8 week routine would shorten the process, but for me Iwas very pleasantly surprised how the IM performed by itself and theresults produced. Again, my test was not to suppress Isometricor Isotonic exercises with the Bullworker, but how a separate routine ofIso-Motion works for individuals. In closing, while I found mycompression strength improved in the IM area, my levels of Isometriccompression went down somewhat from lack of doing set Isometricexercises. However, since my goal in my 50's is strength andflexibility with endurance, I was accomplishing more with IM than I wasjust solely with the Isometric. Again, my goals, not anyone else. After such isolated testing, I have gone back to the combination ofIsometric with Iso-Motion combined as I still receive joy (and benefits)from the Isometric hold and combining the two routines. Iappreciate any response anyone might care to share… now or in the nearfuture. Bullworker USA --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible"new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Celebrate Varusha Pirappu, Vishu, Baisakhi and Nabo Barsh with these Bawarchi Special Recipes . Complete Coverage of the ICC World Cup '07! Log on to www.sify.com/khel for latest updates, expert columns, schedule, desktop scorecard, photo galleries and more! For the Expert view of the ICC World Cup log on to www.sify.com/khel. Read exclusive interviews with Sachin, Ganguly, Yuvraj, Sreesanth, Expert Columns by Gavaskar, Web chat with Dhoni and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 > > Here is again pitching his product against the Isoworker....why doesn't he give up? Let the users decide whether they want to buy his stuff or the competition.... > > Wow, are you a psychic or a professional profiler? You must be one or the other, or else how could you have deciphered the " true " intent of 's post. Too bad your impressive skills don't include the ability to know enough to hit the " send " button only once instead of three times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 > > Here is again pitching his product against the > Isoworker....why doesn't he give up? Let the users > decide whether they want to buy his stuff or the > competition.... Hi, I wonder why you say this? 's letter is asking for feedback about iso-motion, not particularly about the Steel Bow which may just be used for isometrics. And for feedback to be given, it should come from those who already have the product. So how can it be a sales pitch? Well, you might say it's a sales pitch because of his relating his own experience, but I don't see this as any different from those relating their own experiences with Bullworker models, Isokinator, Muscle Gun, etc., or even Dynamic Tension or Dynaflex. We're here to share our knowledge and experience, and if we see a post that seems to disagree with our own perceptions, it's all too easy to simply ignore it. Just me. Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Actually, is walking a fine line here. He is the only vendor that we have allowed to post here and to post about his specific products. In fact, has been always very supportive of the group and added very unique infor about the BW, its history and uses. At the same time, this most recent post is pretty much PR for the SB albiet useful if you are a fan of the so called isomotion technique. Anyway, I would ask to perhaps take this back a notch as it does seem that we are over the line a bit on the commeercial aspect of this discussion. Thanks Rich > > > > Here is again pitching his product against the Isoworker....why > doesn't he give up? Let the users decide whether they want to buy his > stuff or the competition.... > > > > > > Wow, are you a psychic or a professional profiler? You must be one or > the other, or else how could you have deciphered the " true " intent of > 's post. > > Too bad your impressive skills don't include the ability to know > enough to hit the " send " button only once instead of three times. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 No this IS different, Gerry. sells the SB. THE SB distinction is really based on the use of Isomotion and this is post a form of endorsing his own product, there is no way around that. Ergo, even though is a great guy with great integrity, there is NO WAY that he can keep bias out of his report, can't be done. Sorry, I have to say that to me, his last post is certainly on the line, if not over it. Rich > > > > Here is again pitching his product against the > > Isoworker....why doesn't he give up? Let the users > > decide whether they want to buy his stuff or the > > competition.... > > Hi, > > I wonder why you say this? 's letter is asking for feedback > about iso-motion, not particularly about the Steel Bow which > may just be used for isometrics. > > And for feedback to be given, it should come from those who > already have the product. So how can it be a sales pitch? > > Well, you might say it's a sales pitch because of his relating > his own experience, but I don't see this as any different from > those relating their own experiences with Bullworker models, > Isokinator, Muscle Gun, etc., or even Dynamic Tension or Dynaflex. > > We're here to share our knowledge and experience, and if we see > a post that seems to disagree with our own perceptions, it's all > too easy to simply ignore it. > > Just me. > > Gerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Right on, Gerry. Richknuj_gse wrote: >> Here is again pitching his product against the> Isoworker....why doesn't he give up? Let the users> decide whether they want to buy his stuff or the> competition....Hi, I wonder why you say this? 's letter is asking for feedbackabout iso-motion, not particularly about the Steel Bow which may just be used for isometrics.And for feedback to be given, it should come from those whoalready have the product. So how can it be a sales pitch?Well, you might say it's a sales pitch because of his relatinghis own experience, but I don't see this as any different fromthose relating their own experiences with Bullworker models,Isokinator, Muscle Gun, etc., or even Dynamic Tension or Dynaflex.We're here to share our knowledge and experience, and if we seea post that seems to disagree with our own perceptions, it's alltoo easy to simply ignore it.Just me.Gerry Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 > > Actually, is walking a fine line here. He is the > only vendor that we have allowed to post here and to > post about his specific products. I tend to disagree. The home page of this group is very clear on this. It says: =============================================== Welcome to the Bullworker Club! All past and present owners & users of the Bullworker Exercise Bar are welcome on this EG. All Bullworker manufacturers, distributors, vendors, and suppliers are also welcome on this EG. Our purpose is to: To support, discuss, swap, and exchange Bullworker related information, resources, and training tips. To share past and present experiences with the Bullworker, especially any " Before & After " stories, training experiences, and photos. To share any other related on-line Bullworker websites, forums, etc... To locate, buy, sell, and trade new and used Bullworker Exercise Bars, spare parts, literature, training manuals, training charts, & training videos. This is a moderated group. All innapropriate material, Off Topic SPAM, and flames will be deleted by the moderator. Enjoy! Keep working that Bullworker! =============================================== So the way I see it, " all Bullworker manufacturers, distributors, vendors, and suppliers are also welcome on this EG " and the purposes of this group include to " locate, buy, SELL, and trade NEW and used " equipment. Have the terms of membership (vendors) and purpose (sales) of the group changed? Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 We will disagree then. I have thrown the Bully Xtreme guys off here, shall I invite them back? Tread lightly here, the floodgates may open. > > > > Actually, is walking a fine line here. He is the > > only vendor that we have allowed to post here and to > > post about his specific products. > > I tend to disagree. > > The home page of this group is very clear on this. It says: > > =============================================== > Welcome to the Bullworker Club! > > All past and present owners & users of the Bullworker > Exercise Bar are welcome on this EG. > > All Bullworker manufacturers, distributors, vendors, and > suppliers are also welcome on this EG. > > Our purpose is to: > > To support, discuss, swap, and exchange Bullworker related > information, resources, and training tips. > > To share past and present experiences with the Bullworker, > especially any " Before & After " stories, training experiences, > and photos. > > To share any other related on-line Bullworker websites, > forums, etc... > > To locate, buy, sell, and trade new and used Bullworker > Exercise Bars, spare parts, literature, training manuals, > training charts, & training videos. > > This is a moderated group. All innapropriate material, Off > Topic SPAM, and flames will be deleted by the moderator. > > Enjoy! Keep working that Bullworker! > =============================================== > > So the way I see it, " all Bullworker manufacturers, > distributors, vendors, and suppliers are also welcome on > this EG " and the purposes of this group include to " locate, > buy, SELL, and trade NEW and used " equipment. > > Have the terms of membership (vendors) and purpose (sales) > of the group changed? > > Gerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 > > We will disagree then. I have thrown the Bully Xtreme > guys off here, shall I invite them back? > > Tread lightly here, the floodgates may open. Not really. As moderator, you have reason to remove any message you consider " innapropriate material, Off Topic SPAM, and flames. " I am not aware of what the Bully Xtreme people posted here, but if it's anything like their advertising, it may appear to be flames. If they, or anyone, keep posting similar messages, then these can be considered spam. So you have reason to remove such posts. If they get back into this forum and avoid inappropriate material, flames and spams, wouldn't they be welcome as well? Just the way I see things. Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 No. > > > > We will disagree then. I have thrown the Bully Xtreme > > guys off here, shall I invite them back? > > > > Tread lightly here, the floodgates may open. > > Not really. As moderator, you have reason to remove any > message you consider " innapropriate material, Off Topic SPAM, > and flames. " > > I am not aware of what the Bully Xtreme people posted here, > but if it's anything like their advertising, it may appear > to be flames. If they, or anyone, keep posting similar > messages, then these can be considered spam. So you have > reason to remove such posts. > > If they get back into this forum and avoid inappropriate > material, flames and spams, wouldn't they be welcome as > well? > > Just the way I see things. > > Gerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Fascinating! Gerry is quite right to refer to the stated aims and objects of this discussion group. However, I should point out that they state quite clearly all " Bullworker " products which excludes the Isokinator, Steel-Bow and Bully Extreme. Bullworker is a brand as well as a device and none of these other products are owned or marketed by Bullworker, in fact one might say, they are looking to exploit commercially the massive success of the Bullworker and profit from its famous name. So, we need to change the aims and objects or stick to authorised Bullworker products. If the former is the chosen route, then it would be foolish not to allow each vendor to put forward the virtues of their product in an open and professional manner and allow the members to discuss in a civilised fashion. The truth is, most of the vendors are represented here under pseudonyms anyway so why not encourage them to get out in the open a la . We are all after good solid information and it would appear that is at least open, informed and professional. Personally; I think along with certain other members, he brings a wealth of knowledge which can only benefit the group as a whole. Jellicoe > > > > > > We will disagree then. I have thrown the Bully Xtreme > > > guys off here, shall I invite them back? > > > > > > Tread lightly here, the floodgates may open. > > > > Not really. As moderator, you have reason to remove any > > message you consider " innapropriate material, Off Topic SPAM, > > and flames. " > > > > I am not aware of what the Bully Xtreme people posted here, > > but if it's anything like their advertising, it may appear > > to be flames. If they, or anyone, keep posting similar > > messages, then these can be considered spam. So you have > > reason to remove such posts. > > > > If they get back into this forum and avoid inappropriate > > material, flames and spams, wouldn't they be welcome as > > well? > > > > Just the way I see things. > > > > Gerry > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Good points, thanks. I should point out that I have no issue with 99% of 's posts. This last one looks like a commericial. To my way of thinking, commercials have no place here. Unless, of course, we start charging vendors for their commercial space and time here. > > > > > > > > We will disagree then. I have thrown the Bully Xtreme > > > > guys off here, shall I invite them back? > > > > > > > > Tread lightly here, the floodgates may open. > > > > > > Not really. As moderator, you have reason to remove any > > > message you consider " innapropriate material, Off Topic SPAM, > > > and flames. " > > > > > > I am not aware of what the Bully Xtreme people posted here, > > > but if it's anything like their advertising, it may appear > > > to be flames. If they, or anyone, keep posting similar > > > messages, then these can be considered spam. So you have > > > reason to remove such posts. > > > > > > If they get back into this forum and avoid inappropriate > > > material, flames and spams, wouldn't they be welcome as > > > well? > > > > > > Just the way I see things. > > > > > > Gerry > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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