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This is probably a very dumb question, but I've searched and tried to

figure this out for weeks now. I am finally going to break down and

subject myself to snickers by asking, but...what does PEG stand for?

Is it an industry standard? A brand name? An acronym for " Pretty

Enormous Gonads " ? (sorry) But, I see this as PEG 16 or PEG 50 and

then the product or INCI name after that. I humble myself before the

experts...I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy.

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I am most certainly NOT an expert, but I am very good at copying out of

reference books! :-)

According to A Consumers Dictionary of Cosmetic Ingredients:

" Abbreviation for polyethylene glycol/polyethylene, used in making non-ionic

surfactants "

PEG?

This is probably a very dumb question, but I've searched and tried to

figure this out for weeks now. I am finally going to break down and

subject myself to snickers by asking, but...what does PEG stand for?

Is it an industry standard? A brand name? An acronym for " Pretty

Enormous Gonads " ? (sorry) But, I see this as PEG 16 or PEG 50 and

then the product or INCI name after that. I humble myself before the

experts...I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy.

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>> " Abbreviation for polyethylene glycol/polyethylene, used in making

>>non-ionic

>> surfactants "

So...what does it mean when I see it as for example...

PEG-16 Macademia Glycerides?

I mean, if it stands for polyethylene glycol, does this mean that

polyethylene glycol can be derived from many different things, and

that this particular polyethylene glycol was derived from Macademia

Nuts? And what do the different numbers mean?

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what that means is that it's the polyethylene glycol ester of the

fatty acids in macadamia nut oil.

the higher the PEG number, the more solid the product. So PEG 150

Distearate (stearic acid) would be a lot more solid than your PEG-16

Macadamia Glycerides.

If I understand correctly, the PEG makes the oil or fatty acid more

water soluble - " blooming " or " dispersible " bath oils are made with

PEG-x oils.

The PEG isn't derived from the oils, its reacted with them.

Jules

> >> " Abbreviation for polyethylene glycol/polyethylene, used in

making

> >>non-ionic

> >> surfactants "

>

> So...what does it mean when I see it as for example...

> PEG-16 Macademia Glycerides?

> I mean, if it stands for polyethylene glycol, does this mean that

> polyethylene glycol can be derived from many different things, and

> that this particular polyethylene glycol was derived from Macademia

> Nuts? And what do the different numbers mean?

>

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> what that means is that it's the polyethylene glycol ester of the

> fatty acids in macadamia nut oil.

>

> the higher the PEG number, the more solid the product. So PEG 150

> Distearate (stearic acid) would be a lot more solid than your PEG-

16

> Macadamia Glycerides.

>

> If I understand correctly, the PEG makes the oil or fatty acid more

> water soluble - " blooming " or " dispersible " bath oils are made with

> PEG-x oils.

>

> The PEG isn't derived from the oils, its reacted with them.

Jules,

I looked up ester in the dictionary:

" Any of a class of organic compounds corresponding to the inorganic

salts formed from an acid by the replacement of hydrogen by an alkyl

radical. "

Yikes, some things come to me so easily, but chemistry isn't one of

them. Does this mean that the PEG 16 Macadamia Glycerides don't

really contain any Macadamia Oil, but only something that has REACTED

with, or to, the Macadamia Oil? Or is it a combination of both?

I'm sorry to be so dense.

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Maurice will probably hold his head in pain and scream at this

description, but think of it kind of like macadamia oil soap...it's

made with macadamia oil, and it still sort of is macadamia oil, but

at the same time, it's more than macadamia oil. Does that make any

sense?

Jules

> > what that means is that it's the polyethylene glycol ester of the

> > fatty acids in macadamia nut oil.

> >

> > the higher the PEG number, the more solid the product. So PEG

150

> > Distearate (stearic acid) would be a lot more solid than your PEG-

> 16

> > Macadamia Glycerides.

> >

> > If I understand correctly, the PEG makes the oil or fatty acid

more

> > water soluble - " blooming " or " dispersible " bath oils are made

with

> > PEG-x oils.

> >

> > The PEG isn't derived from the oils, its reacted with them.

>

> Jules,

>

> I looked up ester in the dictionary:

>

> " Any of a class of organic compounds corresponding to the inorganic

> salts formed from an acid by the replacement of hydrogen by an

alkyl

> radical. "

>

> Yikes, some things come to me so easily, but chemistry isn't one of

> them. Does this mean that the PEG 16 Macadamia Glycerides don't

> really contain any Macadamia Oil, but only something that has

REACTED

> with, or to, the Macadamia Oil? Or is it a combination of both?

>

> I'm sorry to be so dense.

> n

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> Maurice will probably hold his head in pain and scream at this

> description, but think of it kind of like macadamia oil soap...it's

> made with macadamia oil, and it still sort of is macadamia oil, but

> at the same time, it's more than macadamia oil. Does that make any

> sense?

>

> Jules

Ok, so the PEG is added to the Macadamia Oil, forming a whole new

substance (Macadamia Glyceride) through a " chemical reaction? "

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not quite...the new product is called " PEG-6 Macadamia Glycerides "

(or whatever the number was - I can't recall now!) But yup,

otherwise you've got it. Just like PEG-150 Distearate is a reacted

form of stearic acid that now acts as an emulsifier and thickener.

Macadamia Glycerides, IMO, is basically a fancy way of

saying " macadamia oil " ...there is a slight difference, I believe,

between it and macadamia oil, but not much...oil is a triglyceride

(three fatty acids attached to one glycerol molecule)...perhaps this

is to imply that there are mono- and di-glycerides in the stuff as

well? That much I don't know. I'm sure if I'm way off base Maurice

or Pat or someone else will correct me! *g*

The PEGs are pretty nifty things to work with, from what I

understand. A couple of places sell a " PEG " ed sunflower oil that's

supposed to be lovely as a bath oil.

Jules

> > Maurice will probably hold his head in pain and scream at this

> > description, but think of it kind of like macadamia oil

soap...it's

> > made with macadamia oil, and it still sort of is macadamia oil,

but

> > at the same time, it's more than macadamia oil. Does that make

any

> > sense?

> >

> > Jules

>

> Ok, so the PEG is added to the Macadamia Oil, forming a whole new

> substance (Macadamia Glyceride) through a " chemical reaction? "

>

> n

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By Jove, I think she's got it! :)

Thanks Jules!

> > > Maurice will probably hold his head in pain and scream at this

> > > description, but think of it kind of like macadamia oil

> soap...it's

> > > made with macadamia oil, and it still sort of is macadamia oil,

> but

> > > at the same time, it's more than macadamia oil. Does that make

> any

> > > sense?

> > >

> > > Jules

> >

> > Ok, so the PEG is added to the Macadamia Oil, forming a whole new

> > substance (Macadamia Glyceride) through a " chemical reaction? "

> >

> > n

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