Re: HELP!! More info needed.

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

I am not feeling well today, but when I do I will email you the numbers

of the Ag.Depts in some of the states where it is legal. You can call

them and get the web addresses for their laws.

Barbara wrote:

> Hi guys. I received another very nice email from Margaret Krome.

> She said I'd be pleasantly surprised at how many people on the board

> are sympathetic to my plea. She also said that they have been

> trying to gather information from states where raw milk is legal,

> but have not gotten any responses from those states. They want to

> see how they are set up as perhaps a model to change the law in

> Wisconsin to legalized it under some conditions.

>

> HELP!!! Anyone have any information or a clue as to where to start

> so I can pass it on to her in the next couple of days??

>

> Thanks a million! E Pluribus Unum!

>

> Barbara

>

[Guest guest]

>>> Dady <shawn@s...> wrote: Barbara, I am not feeling well

today, but when I do I will email you the numbers of the Ag.Depts in

some of the states where it is legal. You can call them and get the

web addresses for their laws. <<<

Thanks, . I'll be looking for those numbers. Be healed!

[Guest guest]

She also said that they have been

> trying to gather information from states where raw milk is legal,

> but have not gotten any responses from those states. They want to

> see how they are set up as perhaps a model to change the law in

> Wisconsin to legalized it under some conditions.

>

> HELP!!! Anyone have any information or a clue as to where to start

> so I can pass it on to her in the next couple of days??

---------->hi barbara, maine is one of the few states where the sale

of raw milk is legal. the woman (shelley doak) who heads the the div.

of animal health and industry is not a fan of raw milk, but she is a

fan of consumers' rights. and she will tell you that drinking raw

milk in maine is quite safe. you can contact her at the info below. i

believe she oversees dairy farms or something like that, although i'm

not sure of her exact role. she was the one who gave me a list of

certified raw milk producers in maine a while back.

as for accurate info on the benefits and safety of raw milk have you

sent her the realmilk.com URL? there's also ron's book. and the milk

book, but i doubt she'd want to read a whole book over this, huh? i

don't know if the los angeles raw milk document written by aajonus

vonderplatz is worth referencing...while it has many accuracies, my

understanding is that there are also some inaccuracies. in any case,

it's also online somewhere.

suze

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Animal Health and Industry, Division of

28 State House Station Deering Bldg - AMHI Complex

Augusta, ME 04333-0028

Doak, Director

.Doak@...

[Guest guest]

> Animal Health and Industry, Division of

> 28 State House Station Deering Bldg - AMHI Complex

> Augusta, ME 04333-0028

>

> Doak, Director

>

> .Doak@s...

Hi Suze. I forwarded the information you gave me to Ms Krome. Dr.

Ron was so kind as to give me her phone number when I ordered his

book this afternoon.

Unfortunately, I also sent Ms. Krome the Supplemental Report to her

before I found out about the inaccuracies. Pray that the helpful

parts will stand out and the inaccuracies will not.

Thanks to all for their help. Janet, we're pulling for you guys!

You are not alone in this battle. Poco a poco se van lejos! (Little

by little they go far!)

[Guest guest]

Hey guys,

There aren't that many inaccuracies in the milk report. Maybe one or

two. But the right stuff flies off the page! It is a brilliant piece

of work and research. I always use it. And that is why I firmly

recommend it. I am glad you sent it to her Barbara. After all, it DID

persuade the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors even with their

health department fighting it tooth and nail. Here is the link to it

again, which I wholeheartedly encourage everyone on this list to click

to and read! It will give you lots of good information.

http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/p15.htm

Barbara wrote:

> Animal Health and Industry, Division of

> 28 State House Station Deering Bldg - AMHI Complex

> Augusta, ME 04333-0028

>

> Doak, Director

>

> .Doak@s...

Hi Suze. I forwarded the information you gave me to Ms Krome. Dr.

Ron was so kind as to give me her phone number when I ordered his

book this afternoon.

Unfortunately, I also sent Ms. Krome the Supplemental Report to her

before I found out about the inaccuracies. Pray that the helpful

parts will stand out and the inaccuracies will not.

[Guest guest]

There is one glaring inaccuracy that any of you who choose

to use the Supplemental Report should be aware of. The report states in several

places, in no uncertain terms, that no one ever got sick from drinking raw

milk. This is a ridiculous claim, and those of you who read my book will fully

understand this. There is no question about the fact that shabbily produced raw

milk historically caused considerable illness and still occasionally causes

illness today.

Making the claim to legislators that all raw milk is

inherently safe totally misleads them and will ultimately backfire; they will

figure out sooner or later that it is a false claim. Yes, the LA County Board

of Supervisors narrowly voted in favor of raw milk…I would say in spite of the

inaccuracies; the politics behind the supplemental report were considerably

stronger than the science. But only two farms in all of California may sell raw

milk, because of licensing difficulties, including harassment by officials and

high fees. Twenty-five million people, two farms. Not exactly a model

situation.

Redemsky has produced an excellent and

accurate brochure that summarizes the many good points the supplemental report

made and goes much further, succinctly explaining the importance of grass

feeding and touching on Weston Price’s work. Her brochure is reasonably priced

and may be ordered directly from her in Massachusetts, at . I

suggest that any of you who want something short to give to legislators use ’s

brochure.

Ron

Ron Schmid,

ND

Alternative Medicine

Center of Connecticut

drron@...

www.DrRons.com

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Message-----

From: Dady

Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003

8:20 AM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: Re: HELP!!

More info needed.

Hey guys,

There aren't that many inaccuracies in the milk report. Maybe one or

two. But the right stuff flies off the page! It is a brilliant

piece of work and research. I always use it. And that is why I

firmly recommend it. I am glad you sent it to her Barbara. After

all, it DID persuade the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors even with

their health department fighting it tooth and nail. Here is the link to

it again, which I wholeheartedly encourage everyone on this list to click to

and read! It will give you lots of good information.

http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/p15.htm

Barbara wrote:

> Animal Health and

Industry, Division of

> 28 State House Station Deering Bldg - AMHI Complex

> Augusta, ME 04333-0028

>

> Doak, Director

>

> .Doak@s...

Hi Suze. I forwarded the information you gave me to Ms Krome.

Dr.

Ron was so kind as to give me her phone number when I ordered his

book this afternoon.

Unfortunately, I also sent Ms. Krome the Supplemental Report to her

before I found out about the inaccuracies. Pray that the helpful

parts will stand out and the inaccuracies will not.

[Guest guest]

, I

just read over my posting about the problems with the supplemental report and I

realize that I seemed to pretty blatantly disagree with you there. I hope you

don’t take offense, I didn’t mean it to put down what you had said but my

posting sort of read that way. Of course you are right that the Supplemental

Report IS full of outstanding information which is incredibly useful, and I’m

sure that it has been a very useful tool for you and many others in many ways.

I just felt that it was important to point out the one problem that I did.

Happy

Free-Range Turkey Day!

Ron

Ron Schmid,

ND

Alternative Medicine

Center of Connecticut

drron@...

www.DrRons.com

-----Original

Message-----

From: Dady

Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003

8:20 AM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: Re: HELP!!

More info needed.

Hey guys,

There aren't that many inaccuracies in the milk report. Maybe one or

two. But the right stuff flies off the page! It is a brilliant

piece of work and research. I always use it. And that is why I

firmly recommend it. I am glad you sent it to her Barbara. After

all, it DID persuade the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors even with

their health department fighting it tooth and nail. Here is the link to

it again, which I wholeheartedly encourage everyone on this list to click to

and read! It will give you lots of good information.

http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/p15.htm

Barbara wrote:

> Animal Health and Industry,

Division of

> 28 State House Station Deering Bldg - AMHI Complex

> Augusta, ME 04333-0028

>

> Doak, Director

>

> .Doak@s...

Hi Suze. I forwarded the information you gave me to Ms Krome.

Dr.

Ron was so kind as to give me her phone number when I ordered his

book this afternoon.

Unfortunately, I also sent Ms. Krome the Supplemental Report to her

before I found out about the inaccuracies. Pray that the helpful

parts will stand out and the inaccuracies will not.

[Guest guest]

Hey Dr. Ron,

You are so great! Thank you for being sensitive to that, but I wasn't

offended at all. In fact, I appreciate that reference to the

summarization of the report. I am going to get it from her. I didn't

even know it existed and am grateful to know about it. As you know I

am dealing with legislators in Tn and it will be useful, as the report

is lengthy. Good to have the important points taken out and

highlighted.

Anyway, no problem. I have much affection for you and your work!

Many blessings to you and yours,

Happy Thanksgiving as well.

Dr. Ron wrote:

, I

just read over my posting about the problems with the supplemental

report and I

realize that I seemed to pretty blatantly disagree with you there. I

hope you

don’t take offense, I didn’t mean it to put down what you had said but

my

posting sort of read that way. Of course you are right that the

Supplemental

Report IS full of outstanding information which is incredibly useful,

and I’m

sure that it has been a very useful tool for you and many others in

many ways.

I just felt that it was important to point out the one problem that I

did.

Happy

Free-Range Turkey Day!

Ron

Ron

Schmid,

ND

Alternative

Medicine

Center of Connecticut

drron@...

www.DrRons.com

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Message-----

From: Dady

Sent: Thursday,

November 27, 2003

8:20 AM

To:

RawDairy

Subject: Re:

Re: HELP!!

More info needed.

Hey

guys,

There aren't that many inaccuracies in the milk report. Maybe one or

two. But the right stuff flies off the page! It is a brilliant

piece of work and research. I always use it. And that is why I

firmly recommend it. I am glad you sent it to her Barbara. After

all, it DID persuade the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors even

with

their health department fighting it tooth and nail. Here is the link

to

it again, which I wholeheartedly encourage everyone on this list to

click to

and read! It will give you lots of good information.

http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/p15.htm

Barbara wrote:

> Animal

Health and Industry,

Division of

> 28 State House Station Deering Bldg - AMHI Complex

> Augusta, ME 04333-0028

>

> Doak, Director

>

> .Doak@s...

Hi Suze. I forwarded the information you gave me to Ms Krome.

Dr.

Ron was so kind as to give me her phone number when I ordered his

book this afternoon.

Unfortunately, I also sent Ms. Krome the Supplemental Report to

her

before I found out about the inaccuracies. Pray that the helpful

parts will stand out and the inaccuracies will not.

Your use of

Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

To

learn more about Raw Dairy, visit our home pages at http://www.midvalleyvu.com

[Guest guest]

, when you do order it, could you either e-mail me or make a post

stating the price she's selling it at? I may be interested in ordering

it myself. I'm also curious how long it is and what format it is (e.g.

all text, scientific study-style or directed more to the layperson

with photos etc.). Thanks!

Tom

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[Guest guest]

You bet.

Tom wrote:

> , when you do order it, could you either e-mail me or make a post

> stating the price she's selling it at? I may be interested in ordering

> it myself. I'm also curious how long it is and what format it is (e.g.

> all text, scientific study-style or directed more to the layperson

> with photos etc.). Thanks!

>

> Tom

[Guest guest]

Hey Tom,

Just talked to Redemsky about her brochures. She has one big

brochure that is even longer than the supplemental report itself. I

don't think that's the one we want. The other one she has is her own

" Milk brochure. " It is 16 1/2 by 9 (pretty large) but she describes it

as a 4-panel brochure. It is more of a summary I believe. She said 25

of those brochures are $7.50 (includes shipping) and 50 of them are

$12. If you want to call her and ask more detail her number is

.

I'm still thinking about it.

Dady wrote:

> You bet.

>

> Tom wrote:

>

> > , when you do order it, could you either e-mail me or make a post

> > stating the price she's selling it at? I may be interested in ordering

> > it myself. I'm also curious how long it is and what format it is (e.g.

> > all text, scientific study-style or directed more to the layperson

> > with photos etc.). Thanks!

> >

> > Tom

>

>

[Guest guest]

Personally, I am more interested in the big long brochure. I can see

the others being ideal for handing out to people who don't know

anything about raw milk, but for my personal edification and for

giving to gov't authorities, the more in-depth it is, the better.

Thanks for letting me know!

Tom

> >

> > > , when you do order it, could you either e-mail me or make

a post

> > > stating the price she's selling it at? I may be interested in

ordering

> > > it myself. I'm also curious how long it is and what format it is

(e.g.

> > > all text, scientific study-style or directed more to the layperson

> > > with photos etc.). Thanks!

> > >

> > > Tom

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