RE: Levels of consciousness -- Eva Eddie

[Guest guest]

Sorry Eva,

That did not sound like a sincere question to me. It sounded more like a

challenge in the game of " I'm right; you're wrong "

I don't feel like playing that game right now. I have more interesting

things on my plate at the moment.

Eddie

>

>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Levels of consciousness -- Eva Eddie

>Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:24:18 -0000

>

>Dear Eddie,

>

>I read your message as the workings a mind proving its story that

>multiple levels of consciousness exist.

>

>Can you show me the documentation you were referring to earlier?

>

>I suppose by 'documentation' I expect you to produce something of

>multiple minds proving the same story. LOL

>

>Oh well, I asked for it.

>

>Eva

>

>

> > > > Dear Eddie,

> > > >

> > > > > There are conscious choices we make and unconscious choices--

>even

> > > > > subconscious choices. These levels of awareness related to our

> > > > choices has

> > > > > been well documented. There's really no mystery about it.

> > > > > Eddie

> > > >

> > > > I believe that any explanation is only a temporary truth.

> > > > But I enjoy learning about those temporary truths, since they

>seem to

> > > > lead to ever grander mysteries.

> > > > So tell me, if you wish, about what is documented about these

>levels

> > > > of awareness.

> > > >

> > > > Eva

> > >

> > >

> > >Eva wrote-

> > >Maybe we're saying the same thing. It doesn't look like it to me

>right

> > >now.I don't know about Reality and reality. They sound like

>concepts

> > >to me, just like the Ego. I never liked personality theories (and

>don'

> > >t like a theory like this either), because I think they reify

> > >something intangible into something seemingly tangible, like an Ego

> > >that filters Reality into reality, and what I'm left with is more

> > >concepts, without getting closer to the truth. For me the truth

>lies

> > >in awareness, or so it seems to be for me now.

> > >

> > >Jan responds -

> > >I'm not saying anything different from a zillion buddhist authors,

> > >, Hindu Upanishads, ACIM, Tolle, they all say the same thing -

> > >ego stories = reality --- egoless awareness of present moment =

> > >Reality. We can argue reality all day long...and get no where

>except

> > >lost in reality.

> > >

> > >Eddie - I look forward to your post too.

> > >

> > >Eva - Weren't you on the Tolle board also for a while? I think I

> > >remember you from posts there also.

> > >

> > >Blessings - Jan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Eddie,

> That did not sound like a sincere question to me.

I was disappointed with your first answer that didn't sound like an

answer to me.

> It sounded more like a

> challenge in the game of " I'm right; you're wrong "

Really? I am surprised.

Let's see if I can find that.

What did I feel when I wrote that message to you?

There was disappointment. You did not fulfill my expectations of

providing the well-documented levels of consciousness.

And yes, I also felt challenged. I feel challenged by anyone who

states there is no mystery about something, especially if it involves

such elusive concepts as consciousness, about which we don't know the

first thing, except from a first person singular kind of perspective

(which doesn't fall into the 'well documented category,' I'd say for

now).

Why does it challenge me when I see someone as rejecting mysteries?

People who come across as knowing-it-all make me feel somewhat

apprehensive. If I think I'm up to it, I feel challenged and want to

score my points in the eyes of onlookers (which I have now

effectively prevented, I hope).

If I think I'm not up to it, I still feel challenged, but I may try

to find other ways of manipulation.

The question was 'why'? What's the apprehension about?

Eddie should be open to my point of view.

Eddie should listen to what I have to say and not go off on his own

tracks.

If he doesn't listen to me, it means that I am not worth listening

to. It means that my alien (thank you, !) starts to shrink and

then starts to bounce up and down, veeeerrrrrrrry annoying!

My fear is that I will be ignored and left to starve because no one

cares about me, since they all follow the misguided light of Eddie.

Phew, I'm so in the business of others. Feeling challenged gets in

the way between Eddie and me.

Since Eddie's not going to validate my stories, there is no other

option than to render him powerless and reduce his influence: I

challenge him.

What do I get for holding the belief that Eddie should vaildate my

stories?

A gleeful alien that's causing me pain in my stomach.

Anything else?

A somewhat satisfying intellectual game, testing my debating skills.

What does it cost me?

Honest communication.

> I don't feel like playing that game right now. I have more

interesting

> things on my plate at the moment.

You're not afraid, are you? :-)

Thank you Eddie.

Love,

Eva

[Guest guest]

Multiple minds within one, making up the same story?

Documentation or no documentation, I'm actually curious to know more

about this.

Maybe I've encountered this subject before, but in Swedish so many

things sound and are read so differently.

Would you like to elaborate further, Eddie?

Is it that the " sub-mind " and " high-mind " relate and create stories,

comprehensions in unison?

I'm not so well traveled perhaps in these terms and concepts, will

however appreciate a further example and/ or elaboration of this

subject.

- Hans

[Guest guest]

Hans,

There's several books written on the subject if you're interested. Here's a

brief explanation: Different levels of consciousness are related to levels

of awakening. That's why a person on a lower LOC can appear more contented

and sane--he's not aware of much more than the beliefs he was programmed to

accept and the tangible things before him. If he picks a compatable wife and

career, he will probably live a peaceful life. His perceptions are based on

his programmed beliefs. A serious crisis can cause him to wake up, however!

Check it out for yourself. Do you ever find yourself feeling intense love

and appreciation for the world and all the people in your life including

your relatives and your boss. Lets call that a LOC #123.

Then, lets say you find out a check bounced and it set off a whole chain

reaction of overdraft charges that you cannot afford to pay. Your level of

consciousness plummets to, lets say #66; suddenly you have negative thoughts

about your stupid boss who delayed your direct deposit. You discover that

your mother, who always screws everything up, held her birthday check until

today...more problems trying to explain a bounced check to her--she always

thought you were a loser (you think). You get into an argument with the

unyielding bank manager who can't seem to understand that your boss and not

you was accountable for the problem.

What you were not aware of was that level #123 has love and positive

perception as its main component while #66 has fear and greed as its main

component.

When you become aware of the different levels of consciousness you can

experience the same situation while remaining awake to the fearful thoughts

that contribute to a potential drop in LOC--you just watch the drama as a

silent observer who is interested in where this small adventure will take

you. Watching prevents the disastrous reactions of acting-out fear, blame

and anger.

Staying out of the reaction mode usually results in people being more

cooperative and supportive of you--your boss may even offer to pay the

overdraft fees or perhaps the bank manager will reduce them for you. Even

without their assistance, you are able to do the thing that needs to be done

next without emotional pain or a drop in your LOC. You withdraw money from

your savings account to cover the fees, then you call your mother to explain

what happened and write her another check. Most importantly, you feel the

warmth of protecting your charished higher LOC--it's a realization of a

sense of efficacy and innate wisdom about yourself. Nothing else really

matters as much as nurturing and protecting that LOC which holds the essence

of God within it.

Hope that helps, Hans

Cheers,

Eddie

>

>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Re: Levels of consciousness -- Eva Eddie

>Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:24:34 -0000

>

>

>Multiple minds within one, making up the same story?

>

>Documentation or no documentation, I'm actually curious to know more

>about this.

>Maybe I've encountered this subject before, but in Swedish so many

>things sound and are read so differently.

>

>Would you like to elaborate further, Eddie?

>

>Is it that the " sub-mind " and " high-mind " relate and create stories,

>comprehensions in unison?

>I'm not so well traveled perhaps in these terms and concepts, will

>however appreciate a further example and/ or elaboration of this

>subject.

>

>

>

>- Hans

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Eva,

Nice work! I have a book suggestion for you--I think you might appreciate

it. " Finite and Infinite Games " by P. Carse

Eddie

>

>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Re: Levels of consciousness -- Eva Eddie

>Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:56:59 -0000

>

>Hi Eddie,

>

> > That did not sound like a sincere question to me.

>

>I was disappointed with your first answer that didn't sound like an

>answer to me.

>

> > It sounded more like a

> > challenge in the game of " I'm right; you're wrong "

>

>Really? I am surprised.

>Let's see if I can find that.

>

>What did I feel when I wrote that message to you?

>

>There was disappointment. You did not fulfill my expectations of

>providing the well-documented levels of consciousness.

>And yes, I also felt challenged. I feel challenged by anyone who

>states there is no mystery about something, especially if it involves

>such elusive concepts as consciousness, about which we don't know the

>first thing, except from a first person singular kind of perspective

>(which doesn't fall into the 'well documented category,' I'd say for

>now).

>

>Why does it challenge me when I see someone as rejecting mysteries?

>

>People who come across as knowing-it-all make me feel somewhat

>apprehensive. If I think I'm up to it, I feel challenged and want to

>score my points in the eyes of onlookers (which I have now

>effectively prevented, I hope).

>If I think I'm not up to it, I still feel challenged, but I may try

>to find other ways of manipulation.

>

>The question was 'why'? What's the apprehension about?

>Eddie should be open to my point of view.

>Eddie should listen to what I have to say and not go off on his own

>tracks.

>If he doesn't listen to me, it means that I am not worth listening

>to. It means that my alien (thank you, !) starts to shrink and

>then starts to bounce up and down, veeeerrrrrrrry annoying!

>My fear is that I will be ignored and left to starve because no one

>cares about me, since they all follow the misguided light of Eddie.

>Phew, I'm so in the business of others. Feeling challenged gets in

>the way between Eddie and me.

>Since Eddie's not going to validate my stories, there is no other

>option than to render him powerless and reduce his influence: I

>challenge him.

>

>What do I get for holding the belief that Eddie should vaildate my

>stories?

>

>A gleeful alien that's causing me pain in my stomach.

>

>Anything else?

>

>A somewhat satisfying intellectual game, testing my debating skills.

>

>What does it cost me?

>

>Honest communication.

>

> > I don't feel like playing that game right now. I have more

>interesting

> > things on my plate at the moment.

>

>You're not afraid, are you? :-)

>

>Thank you Eddie.

>Love,

>Eva

>

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[Guest guest]

> Eva,

> Nice work! I have a book suggestion for you--I think you might

appreciate

> it. " Finite and Infinite Games " by P. Carse

>

> Eddie

>

Oh my favorite book!

[Guest guest]

nne,

Glad to hear that--it's one of my favorite books also.

Cheers,

Eddie

>

>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Re: Levels of consciousness -- Eva Eddie

>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:26:14 -0000

>

>

> > Eva,

> > Nice work! I have a book suggestion for you--I think you might

>appreciate

> > it. " Finite and Infinite Games " by P. Carse

> >

> > Eddie

> >

>Oh my favorite book!

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for that explanation of that theory, Eddie.

I got it, in terms of being able to relate to it.

In my past, the years between me being 7 years old to 14 years old,

I was up and down those levels like a roller coaster, the still I

feel today has since a period of six years gotten more quiet, more

in the still.

Today it isn't an effort to be positive in storming situations.

Although I do sometimes astray from my cool, it just doesn't happen

that often at all anymore.

And even in a stressed situation, I do not even have to tell myself

anything anymore, I know the cool as a safe sanctuary that I always

carry with me and with that thought, that security, I feel relaxed

and assure of being able to handle any situation reality throws in

my direction

The things I that used to cause me distress and recentment, the

things I saw in others, most likely they were the things I feared

and hadn't accepted within myself.

Without knowing it, I let the bright light side of myself hug my

dark side, and then there was a peace like nothing I can describe.

Mesmerizing peace =)

Eddie, what are your opinions about spiritualism, gifted people with

mediumistic abilities?

- Hans