Re: ISOKINATOR REVIEW Questions

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Mike, let me provoke thought if I may and we will read your response. I too, own an eXXerwatch so I will pose my questions based on that device. There is no disputing the compact size of the eXXerwatch. It is the smallest pulling isometric device I have ever seen. For the sake of discussion, I will refer to the Isokinetic exercises as Iso-Motion.

1- If I pull on the eXXerwatch straps, I am pulling out on the device. How is that motion different than pulling on the cables on the Steel-Bow? Do a 100 lb pull on the straps and a 100 lb pull on the cables and tell me the difference of pressure exerted on your hands and fingers. 2- I am very curious by your statement of “limited range of motion” for the Steel-Bow. What exercises are you unable to do with the Steel-Bow that you are able to do with the eXXerwatch? You name 20, what numbers are you unable to perform? 3- There are 22+ exercises on the Steel-Bow chart. The chart states that many of the exercises can be done with Iso-Motion… how many of these exercises have you tried with Iso-Motion? Please remember that any Iso-Motion movement with the Steel-Bow may be performed PUSHING and Pulling; so there are two muscle groups exercised from the same motion. I have the eXXerwatch chart. The only exercise I have trouble duplicating is the thigh lift and I would rate that exercise 50% of the Steel-Bow thigh lift. I personally find it the only possible way one can exercise ones thigh with the eXXerwatch. It is a classic example of what I call some of the “default’ leg exercises of Gert Kolbels designs. Most of his products are designed for the “waist up.” There are no apologies for this, for I admire and own and will not part with any of my Kolbel design products. The Muscle Gun is next to impossible to exercise the legs with and I love it. 4- How can you talk about limited range of motion and then say one can push on the eXXerwatch by crossing ones arms…? I find that one of the most limiting forms of pushing motion there is. One crosses their arms in a pushing manner and then raises or lowers their arms. What other pushing motion are you referring to? 5- Do you feel a pushing motion is no longer beneficial to an Iso-Motion movement, and if so, why is there one pushing exercise with the eXXerwatch? If it is beneficial, do you think one is enough or could there be more? Maybe it is very impractical, if not

impossible for pushing compression with this device. I find the eXXerwatch to be very efficient for an Isometric pull. It is the joy of Iso-Motion that takes me away from set Isometric exercise. Too much emphasis is placed on the setting and not listening to one’s body. In 40 years of Bullworker use, I have never been obsessed with the setting, only the action and the feel. 6- Speaking of the feel, other than the joy of using a new very unique device, what is the

difference in motion and resistance that allows the “pump” to be felt for what seems like days from the same motion and resistance that cannot be experienced with the Steel-Bow? I have owned my eXXerwatch for over 5 years and it has performed very well for me. It played a factor, along with Tai Chi in developing the Iso-Motion routine. We encourage leg movement with Iso-Motion. Not that the exercise did not work by itself, but by incorporating leg movement; cardio and aerobic benefits could be combined in a strength conditioning “dance.” This was learned from the step aerobics using light dumbbells in each hand, moving ones arms in full joint rotation while stepping to the music.

A muscle tone and endurance from resistance in motion. Again, comments from the new users are very similar to mine five years ago. I am impressed with it as much today as I was then, but only by comparing what it could not do next to the Steel-Bow could I compare what it can do. 7- Statements of “limited range of motion” begs for an explanation. Also an explanation regarding the one-half inch of optimum resistance one has during use. Only on the easiest

Iso-Motion exercises am I able to confine my compression levels to +/- one-half inch. I have 2-3 inches of movement on some Iso-Motion exercises, allowing for necessary resistance for my muscles in their weakest extension. Is this not a factor with the eXXerwatch? I greatly appreciate your thoughts regarding these points. Only by provoking thought are we able to understand certain principles better. Bullworker USA Mike wrote: >> I looked at the Isokinator/Isoworker web

site and got as much> info as I could understand from what was written in there.>> Is there a significant difference between the Isokinator> exercises and the Iso-motion exercises with the 20-inch> Steel Bow?>> One difference I see which might be significant is that> one only pulls with the Isokinator, but one can compress> with the 20-inch.>> Is there someone who has both the 20-inch Steel Bow and> the Isokinator? Can s/he give us more info on similarities> and differences between iso-motion and isokinator> workouts?>> Gerry>Hello Gerry,I have a 20" Steel Bow as well as an Exxerwatch and an Isokinator.First up I would like to clarify something: the exercises in theExxerwatch/Isokinator documentation are referred to as "ISOKINETIC"exercises, which according to some posters here is a bit of a misnomer.I tend to agree

that according to the definition of isokinetc exercise,the exercises performed with the Isokinator or Exxerwatch are NOT TRUEisokinetic exercises. Having said that, for want of a better word, Iwill still refer to the exercises performed with theExxerwatch/Isokinator as isokinetic, so please keep this in mind whenreading my post.The most significant difference is obviously size: the Isokinator is notmuch larger than an early-style mobile phone. This allows for afantastic range of motion in all Isokinator exercises as compared to amore limited range of motion with the SB. You also have a lot moreisokinetic-type exercises (around 20) with the Isokinator. Theisokinator exercises also include "pushing" type exercises by crossingthe arms and thereby pushing out on the loops.BTW, you can also use the Isokinator as a purely static contractiondevice ala BW but its real strength lies in the isokinetc

exercises.Like previous posters have mentioned, the "pump" you feel afterexercising is incredible and it seems to last for 2 days at least.The resistance in the Isokinator is provided bya high-tensile springinside the device.Hope this helps, but if you have any more questions I'd be happy toanswer them as best I can.Kind regards...Mike

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Hello ,

Let me first say that I have purchased 2 Steel Bows from you and I love the product! So this is not meant to be a "mine is better than yours" type of discussion. IMO the bullworker (bw) and exxerwatch (ew)/isokinator (ik) (btw the ew and ik are identical for all intends and purposes) were designed for fundamentally different purposes: the bw was designed for isometric/isotonic exercises and the ew/ik was desigened for isokinetic/isomotion type exercises. The Steel Bow which is obviously a shorter version of a bw is IMO still a bullworker but one that has been adapted to perform isomotion exercises. IMO the ew/ik is superior for isokinetic/isomotion exercises because it has been SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED for it. By no means does this mean that the SB or BW are inferior devices, they are just not as suitable for isokinetic/isomotion exercises - again I am stressing that this is MY PERSONAL OPINION only!

I will answer your questions below:

> >> > I looked at the Isokinator/Isoworker web site and got as much> > info as I could understand from what was written in there.> >> > Is there a significant difference between the Isokinator> > exercises and the Iso-motion exercises with the 20-inch> > Steel Bow?> >> > One difference I see which might be significant is that> > one only pulls with the Isokinator, but one can compress> > with the 20-inch.> >> > Is there someone who has both the 20-inch Steel Bow and> > the Isokinator? Can s/he give us more info on similarities> > and differences between iso-motion and isokinator> > workouts?> >> > Gerry> >> > Hello Gerry,> > I have a 20" Steel Bow as well as an Exxerwatch and an Isokinator.> > First up I would like to clarify something: the exercises in the> Exxerwatch/Isokinator documentation are referred to as "ISOKINETIC"> exercises, which according to some posters here is a bit of a misnomer.> I tend to agree that according to the definition of isokinetc exercise,> the exercises performed with the Isokinator or Exxerwatch are NOT TRUE> isokinetic exercises. Having said that, for want of a better word, I> will still refer to the exercises performed with the> Exxerwatch/Isokinator as isokinetic, so please keep this in mind when> reading my post.> > The most significant difference is obviously size: the Isokinator is not> much larger than an early-style mobile phone. This allows for a> fantastic range of motion in all Isokinator exercises as compared to a> more limited range of motion with the SB. You also have a lot more> isokinetic-type exercises (around 20) with the Isokinator. The> isokinator exercises also include "pushing" type exercises by crossing> the arms and thereby pushing out on the loops.> > BTW, you can also use the Isokinator as a purely static contraction> device ala BW but its real strength lies in the isokinetc exercises.> Like previous posters have mentioned, the "pump" you feel after> exercising is incredible and it seems to last for 2 days at least.> > The resistance in the Isokinator is provided bya high-tensile spring> inside the device.> > Hope this helps, but if you have any more questions I'd be happy to> answer them as best I can.> > Kind regards...Mike> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A.>

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The Isokinator does not deliver isokinetic exercises. The resistance

is the same as the full sized Bullworker or the the Steel Bow-

isotonic or isometric exercise. I look at it as a speciaty type

exerciser of limited application. It has a very short range of motion

and it no way can duplicate the full range of motion of the full

sized Bullworker or the Steel Bow.

> > >

> > > I looked at the Isokinator/Isoworker web site and got as much

> > > info as I could understand from what was written in there.

> > >

> > > Is there a significant difference between the Isokinator

> > > exercises and the Iso-motion exercises with the 20-inch

> > > Steel Bow?

> > >

> > > One difference I see which might be significant is that

> > > one only pulls with the Isokinator, but one can compress

> > > with the 20-inch.

> > >

> > > Is there someone who has both the 20-inch Steel Bow and

> > > the Isokinator? Can s/he give us more info on similarities

> > > and differences between iso-motion and isokinator

> > > workouts?

> > >

> > > Gerry

> > >

> >

> > Hello Gerry,

> >

> > I have a 20 " Steel Bow as well as an Exxerwatch and an Isokinator.

> >

> > First up I would like to clarify something: the exercises in the

> > Exxerwatch/Isokinator documentation are referred to

as " ISOKINETIC "

> > exercises, which according to some posters here is a bit of a

> misnomer.

> > I tend to agree that according to the definition of isokinetc

> exercise,

> > the exercises performed with the Isokinator or Exxerwatch are NOT

TRUE

> > isokinetic exercises. Having said that, for want of a better

word, I

> > will still refer to the exercises performed with the

> > Exxerwatch/Isokinator as isokinetic, so please keep this in mind

when

> > reading my post.

> >

> > The most significant difference is obviously size: the Isokinator

is

> not

> > much larger than an early-style mobile phone. This allows for a

> > fantastic range of motion in all Isokinator exercises as compared

to a

> > more limited range of motion with the SB. You also have a lot more

> > isokinetic-type exercises (around 20) with the Isokinator. The

> > isokinator exercises also include " pushing " type exercises by

crossing

> > the arms and thereby pushing out on the loops.

> >

> > BTW, you can also use the Isokinator as a purely static

contraction

> > device ala BW but its real strength lies in the isokinetc

exercises.

> > Like previous posters have mentioned, the " pump " you feel after

> > exercising is incredible and it seems to last for 2 days at least.

> >

> > The resistance in the Isokinator is provided bya high-tensile

spring

> > inside the device.

> >

> > Hope this helps, but if you have any more questions I'd be happy

to

> > answer them as best I can.

> >

> > Kind regards...Mike

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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> >

>

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If your definition of short range of motion is: " the distance that

you can pull the 2 pulling ropes aprt " , then yes you are correct.

In my post I was NOT referring to that range of motion. I was

referring to the distance the device as a whole can be moved DURING

an exerercise. THAT range of motion is IMO superior to both the BW

and SB.

Kind regards...Mike

> > > >

> > > > I looked at the Isokinator/Isoworker web site and got as much

> > > > info as I could understand from what was written in there.

> > > >

> > > > Is there a significant difference between the Isokinator

> > > > exercises and the Iso-motion exercises with the 20-inch

> > > > Steel Bow?

> > > >

> > > > One difference I see which might be significant is that

> > > > one only pulls with the Isokinator, but one can compress

> > > > with the 20-inch.

> > > >

> > > > Is there someone who has both the 20-inch Steel Bow and

> > > > the Isokinator? Can s/he give us more info on similarities

> > > > and differences between iso-motion and isokinator

> > > > workouts?

> > > >

> > > > Gerry

> > > >

> > >

> > > Hello Gerry,

> > >

> > > I have a 20 " Steel Bow as well as an Exxerwatch and an

Isokinator.

> > >

> > > First up I would like to clarify something: the exercises in the

> > > Exxerwatch/Isokinator documentation are referred to

> as " ISOKINETIC "

> > > exercises, which according to some posters here is a bit of a

> > misnomer.

> > > I tend to agree that according to the definition of isokinetc

> > exercise,

> > > the exercises performed with the Isokinator or Exxerwatch are

NOT

> TRUE

> > > isokinetic exercises. Having said that, for want of a better

> word, I

> > > will still refer to the exercises performed with the

> > > Exxerwatch/Isokinator as isokinetic, so please keep this in

mind

> when

> > > reading my post.

> > >

> > > The most significant difference is obviously size: the

Isokinator

> is

> > not

> > > much larger than an early-style mobile phone. This allows for a

> > > fantastic range of motion in all Isokinator exercises as

compared

> to a

> > > more limited range of motion with the SB. You also have a lot

more

> > > isokinetic-type exercises (around 20) with the Isokinator. The

> > > isokinator exercises also include " pushing " type exercises by

> crossing

> > > the arms and thereby pushing out on the loops.

> > >

> > > BTW, you can also use the Isokinator as a purely static

> contraction

> > > device ala BW but its real strength lies in the isokinetc

> exercises.

> > > Like previous posters have mentioned, the " pump " you feel after

> > > exercising is incredible and it seems to last for 2 days at

least.

> > >

> > > The resistance in the Isokinator is provided bya high-tensile

> spring

> > > inside the device.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps, but if you have any more questions I'd be

happy

> to

> > > answer them as best I can.

> > >

> > > Kind regards...Mike

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

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> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

When you say range of motion, do you mean the range which you can

extend the straps? or do you mean the amount you can bend your arms at

a specific tension? based on the latter, I would have to say that the

range of motion is much more with the IK - e.g. a bicep curl you can

take through a 90 degrees angle - more or less the same if you did it

with the SB in isomotion form.

> > > >

> > > > I looked at the Isokinator/Isoworker web site and got as much

> > > > info as I could understand from what was written in there.

> > > >

> > > > Is there a significant difference between the Isokinator

> > > > exercises and the Iso-motion exercises with the 20-inch

> > > > Steel Bow?

> > > >

> > > > One difference I see which might be significant is that

> > > > one only pulls with the Isokinator, but one can compress

> > > > with the 20-inch.

> > > >

> > > > Is there someone who has both the 20-inch Steel Bow and

> > > > the Isokinator? Can s/he give us more info on similarities

> > > > and differences between iso-motion and isokinator

> > > > workouts?

> > > >

> > > > Gerry

> > > >

> > >

> > > Hello Gerry,

> > >

> > > I have a 20 " Steel Bow as well as an Exxerwatch and an Isokinator.

> > >

> > > First up I would like to clarify something: the exercises in the

> > > Exxerwatch/Isokinator documentation are referred to

> as " ISOKINETIC "

> > > exercises, which according to some posters here is a bit of a

> > misnomer.

> > > I tend to agree that according to the definition of isokinetc

> > exercise,

> > > the exercises performed with the Isokinator or Exxerwatch are NOT

> TRUE

> > > isokinetic exercises. Having said that, for want of a better

> word, I

> > > will still refer to the exercises performed with the

> > > Exxerwatch/Isokinator as isokinetic, so please keep this in mind

> when

> > > reading my post.

> > >

> > > The most significant difference is obviously size: the Isokinator

> is

> > not

> > > much larger than an early-style mobile phone. This allows for a

> > > fantastic range of motion in all Isokinator exercises as compared

> to a

> > > more limited range of motion with the SB. You also have a lot more

> > > isokinetic-type exercises (around 20) with the Isokinator. The

> > > isokinator exercises also include " pushing " type exercises by

> crossing

> > > the arms and thereby pushing out on the loops.

> > >

> > > BTW, you can also use the Isokinator as a purely static

> contraction

> > > device ala BW but its real strength lies in the isokinetc

> exercises.

> > > Like previous posters have mentioned, the " pump " you feel after

> > > exercising is incredible and it seems to last for 2 days at least.

> > >

> > > The resistance in the Isokinator is provided bya high-tensile

> spring

> > > inside the device.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps, but if you have any more questions I'd be happy

> to

> > > answer them as best I can.

> > >

> > > Kind regards...Mike

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> >

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