Re: The Joy of Creatine

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> The bottom line is that no one can confidently state

> that prolonged creatine supplementation is safe, and

> its use would best be avoided until more data can be

> compiled. Prolonged administration is, in essence, an

> uncontrolled toxicity study and one which might yield

> harmful results. Is it worth the risk? Remember, it's

> your body!

>

> http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/creatine.html

I wonder about such a conclusion. The paper itself claims that

there's no evidence of toxicity and " more data " still has to

be compiled. To me this means it's neither proven toxic or

non-toxic. And if this is the case, the only thing one can do

is to look at the way a substance is used in the body. And

obviously, creatine does have an important role in the body

and any excess is easily converted to other useful substances

and/or excreted.

Would it be dangerous then to take it as a supplement? It's

food! so it can only be as dangerous as taking any food. I

don't think there would be a difference between taking

creatine as a supplement and taking creatine from meat and

fish. Any excess amount can easily be handled by the liver

and/or kidneys. And, just like any food, there can be a point

of excess. So just like any substance, we simply have to

avoid taking things to excess.

I do agree, though, that it would always be a lot better to

take any " supplement " from food sources. It's a lot more

enjoyable and it easily prevents excesses.

Here's something interesting to consider:

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High Dietary Intake of Creatine

In times past, hunters such as the buffalo eating

American Plains Indians, African Tribes, and Eskimos ate

meat as almost their total energy source. Since meat

contains one gram of creatine for each half pound of meat,

these hunters consumed 3-5 grams of creatine per day

depending of their total caloric need. This creatine

dosage is similar to that recommended now by many

scientists. Since mankind began as a hunter, is it likely

that heavy meat eating is toxic? None of these hunting

peoples suffered any known ill effect from this heavy

creatine meat diet.

http://www.nucare.com/biocandhisof.html

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Gerry

[Guest guest]

Another interesting read:

http://www.building-muscle101.com/article2.html

In summary, it says creatine itself is safe, but supplements

may contain contaminants. I wouldn't take this to mean that

creatine supplements are unsafe (because of the creatine),

but rather, that we should be really selective of our creatine

supplement sources, if ever we are taking them.

In that light, food might still be the best source of creatine.

Gerry

[Guest guest]

Good points Gerry.

> > The bottom line is that no one can confidently state

> > that prolonged creatine supplementation is safe, and

> > its use would best be avoided until more data can be

> > compiled. Prolonged administration is, in essence, an

> > uncontrolled toxicity study and one which might yield

> > harmful results. Is it worth the risk? Remember, it's

> > your body!

> >

> > http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/creatine.html

>

> I wonder about such a conclusion. The paper itself claims that

> there's no evidence of toxicity and " more data " still has to

> be compiled. To me this means it's neither proven toxic or

> non-toxic. And if this is the case, the only thing one can do

> is to look at the way a substance is used in the body. And

> obviously, creatine does have an important role in the body

> and any excess is easily converted to other useful substances

> and/or excreted.

>

> Would it be dangerous then to take it as a supplement? It's

> food! so it can only be as dangerous as taking any food. I

> don't think there would be a difference between taking

> creatine as a supplement and taking creatine from meat and

> fish. Any excess amount can easily be handled by the liver

> and/or kidneys. And, just like any food, there can be a point

> of excess. So just like any substance, we simply have to

> avoid taking things to excess.

>

> I do agree, though, that it would always be a lot better to

> take any " supplement " from food sources. It's a lot more

> enjoyable and it easily prevents excesses.

>

> Here's something interesting to consider:

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> High Dietary Intake of Creatine

>

> In times past, hunters such as the buffalo eating

> American Plains Indians, African Tribes, and Eskimos ate

> meat as almost their total energy source. Since meat

> contains one gram of creatine for each half pound of meat,

> these hunters consumed 3-5 grams of creatine per day

> depending of their total caloric need. This creatine

> dosage is similar to that recommended now by many

> scientists. Since mankind began as a hunter, is it likely

> that heavy meat eating is toxic? None of these hunting

> peoples suffered any known ill effect from this heavy

> creatine meat diet.

>

> http://www.nucare.com/biocandhisof.html

> --------------------------------------------------------

>

> Gerry

>

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The amount of creatine that can be obtained from food is practically

zilch. Pilchards have the highest incidence of it and to get anywhere

near the sam amount to have an effect one would have to consume

upwards of 30 plichards a day(euch!)

Thats why taking it in suppliment form is easier and of course I only

buy from a reputable source. I offered up my experience because

whenever I take up the Bullworker after doing weights I get tendon

ache but not when using creatine.

Moon

>

> Another interesting read:

>

> http://www.building-muscle101.com/article2.html

>

> In summary, it says creatine itself is safe, but supplements

> may contain contaminants. I wouldn't take this to mean that

> creatine supplements are unsafe (because of the creatine),

> but rather, that we should be really selective of our creatine

> supplement sources, if ever we are taking them.

>

> In that light, food might still be the best source of creatine.

>

> Gerry

>

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I've never used it, but have read goodstuff about it. It is also available through the Atlas Store at www.charlesatlas.com. Craetine IS safe to use."moon.kinnaird" wrote: Hi folks,I've use Bullworker training when I'm away from home or when it's too cold to go to my garage gym. Well last month whilst working away from home I bought some Creatine Ehtyl Ester and started using just to see what happens and joy of

joys the usual gentle tendon ache you can get from overdoing the Bullworker is not present plus my power is up and I'm really getting stuck in to the holds. No side effects either.Has anyone else tried this stuff and had similar results?M. Kinnaird

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I do, however, go along with Belloff's post on creatine. When I say it's goodstuff, I mean it's safe to use. Richrichard pancoast wrote: I've never used it, but have read goodstuff about it. It is also available through the Atlas Store at www.charlesatlas.com. Craetine IS safe to use."moon.kinnaird" <mk310164tiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Hi folks,I've use Bullworker training when I'm away from home or when it's too cold to go to my garage gym. Well last month whilst working away from home I bought some Creatine Ehtyl Ester and started using just to see what happens and joy of joys the usual gentle tendon ache you can get from overdoing the Bullworker is not present plus my power is up and I'm really getting stuck in to the holds. No side effects either.Has anyone else tried this stuff and had similar results?M. Kinnaird Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.

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