Re: Amount need to Harden soap

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> I have a question but have been unable to find the answer. I have been >

using stearic acid (at .125 per lb of oils)to harden soaps. I now use

> beeswax to harden soaps. I want to know if I should use the same

percentage

> as used with stearic? Any Suggestions???

, you would be better off controlling the hardness of your soap

through the oils that you use. Try using a higher percentage of oils that

are solid at room temperature.

Pat.

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You might be interested in a free soapmaking spreadsheet that gives

you the estimated INS value which is a number based on the sap value

and the iodine value of the different oils. You can use that number as

a gauge to see if your recipe will create a nice hard bar or if it is

leaning to the soft side.

http://users.silverlink.net/~timer/worksheet.html

hth,

sandra s wrote:

> Hello Everyone:

>

> I have a question but have been unable to find the answer. I have been

> using stearic acid (at .125 per lb of oils)to harden soaps. I now use

> beeswax to harden soaps. I want to know if I should use the same percentage

> as used with stearic? Any Suggestions???

>

>

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I found I needed .5 oz bees wax to a lb of oil. I really like my stearic so

I went back. However, I use it at .2 and higher than that in my olive oil

soap.

Sherri

Amount need to Harden soap

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> using stearic acid (at .125 per lb of oils)to harden soaps. I now use

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percentage

> as used with stearic? Any Suggestions???

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Pure olive oil soap does *not* need anything to make it harder. Given

enough time to cure, and with a superfat of 5-6%, it will be solid as a rock

and you will not even be able to begin to cut it. I have some bars here

that are a few months old that would require a large hammer to crack.

Granted, they can take a while to harden, but they don't require any

additives. The only time I've gotten really impatient waiting on a bar to

firm up is when I've used Lavender EO...and apparently a slow-to-harden bar

is characteristic of that particular EO.

Merin

> I found I needed .5 oz bees wax to a lb of oil. I really like my stearic

so

> I went back. However, I use it at .2 and higher than that in my olive oil

> soap.

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I have found over the years that a few reasons that soap remains soft for

longer than the norm are.

1. too much water.

2. too high a percentage of soft oils

3. Too high a lye discount.

I regularily use the MMS lye calculator and discount my water by 20-23% of

what they recommend.

I use a 3-4% lye discount (I have an accurate scale)

And I use a high percentage of hard oils. 10-15% coconut, 12% palm, and

usually around 50 to 60% Lard, and sometimes around 6% cocabutter. The

remainder is made up of soft oils.

When I use these type of proportions my soap is very hard within about 3

days.

I hope this helps.

Sutton

Amount need to Harden soap

Hello Everyone:

I have a question but have been unable to find the answer. I have been

using stearic acid (at .125 per lb of oils)to harden soaps. I now use

beeswax to harden soaps. I want to know if I should use the same percentage

as used with stearic? Any Suggestions???

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[Guest guest]

I have a question but have been unable to find the answer. I have been

using stearic acid (at .125 per lb of oils)to harden soaps. I now use

beeswax to harden soaps. I want to know if I should use the same percentage

as used with stearic? Any Suggestions???

, if your recipe oils are balanced you do not need either. Your soap

will

feel much better also. But the soapmakers who do use it that I am aware of use

1 oz per pound.

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<<Pure olive oil soap does *not* need anything to make it harder. Given

enough time to cure, and with a superfat of 5-6%, it will be solid as a rock

and you will not even be able to begin to cut it.........>>

Merin is correct. I actually made a cold process 100% Olive oil soap last week

and it is rock hard now. It was pretty hard when I unmolded it. I use pure

grade

olive, I discounted water by 25% of what the MMS calculator suggest and used

5% of the lye aboutn recommended.5.5% on the lye recommendation.

If you need you use beeswax for your castile then you need to either decrease

water or lye (or both) and possibly switch from pomace to pure grade olive oil.

There are some pomace grades out there that can soften soap.

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Thanks to all, for the advice on hardening soaps.

I have been educating myself on the various oils (i.e. iodine values, sap

values). I guest I really wanted the added security of hard bars even

though the iodine value may specify such about a particular oil. During

research I've read that beeswax, stearic and salt (added to the sodium

hydroxide and water solution) gives a harder bar.

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