Re: Combining the bullworker with free flexing

[Guest guest]

Yes, but remember, flexing is the best training for well, flexing!

Functional uses? Probably not!

>

> Maxick called it " muscle control " . Mike Dayton called them " chi

> exercises, " Arnold Schwarzenegger and Joe Weider call " iso tension "

and

> calls it " isometric power flexing. " it is simply

flexing

> your muscles without the use of apparatus or as Arnold says " posing

as

> exercise. " Combining it with the Bullworker can add a new

dimension to

> your training by increasing your breathing control, ability to

> concentrate, flex, and coordinate mind muscle response. Arnold said

in

> his book " The Education Of A bodybuilder " that they were the only

type

> of exercise that he used several weeks before a contest when he

totally

> gave up weight lifting and just flexed his muscles powerfully in

front

> of a mirror.

>

[Guest guest]

- " The oldest muscle-building Indian 'Dhandal and Bhasky' exercises

differ from western gymnastics primarily in that they do not consist

of thoughtless repetitions but of exercises performed with great

interest....we use our imaginations to send vital force to various

parts of the body, persistently developing strength, and if we watch

our muscles during the exercise or watch them on a mirror , we will

soon build a body so beautiful that even athletes will admire

it...all we need is a .mirror and fifteen minutes a day. With the

system of slow motion exercise, which prescribes no stultifying

gymnastics but consists of movements like a game, combined with

strong mental concentration, powerful muscles are developed in a

very short time. "

That original quote is from the book " Yoga And Health " by

Selvarajan Yesudian and Haich. It was was published by

Harper and Brothers in 1953 and is currently out of print ,but from

time to time copies appear on abebooks.com It is the best book on

the power of the mind over the body that I have found. The quote

above was actually taken from " The Miracle Seven " by

and Pett.

-- In bullworkerclub , " rrbelloff "

wrote:

>

> OK, one at a time!

>

>

> " Yes, but remember your greatest power comres from you mind and yuor

> mind is your strongest muscle. "

>

>

> Interesting, try a dead life without your body, just imagine it.

How

> much weight did you life, really?

>

>

> " For over 5,000 years through Yoga, and

> the martial arts free flexing hss been the greatest way to develop

> your mind through physical activity. "

>

> There is no real free flexing in yoga or MA. There are isometric

> holds in Yoga, and there is sanchin in some MA. I know of no

> research that sanchin does squat for MA performance and my

experience

> in MA suggests all it does is tire you out.

>

>

> " Combining different disciplines

> provides the best results. "

>

> Is BB posing or free muscle flexing a discipline? What functional

> benefit does it provide?

>

> " If free flexing only the develops the

> ability to do free flexing then pulling the Bullworker only develops

> the ability to pull the pull the Bullworker- I just don't buy that! "

>

> Not the same thing. Using the BW, you are performing isometric

> contractions. Tons of data on this being effective in strength

> development.

>

> Posing? Where's the beef.

>

>

>

> " There is a crossover effect! "

>

> Says who?

>

> Yes, if I am Arnold S and I have to pose to win a contest, I better

> practice posing. If I am willie weightlifter, posing is a pure

waste

> of time.

>

> IMO.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Maxick called it " muscle control " . Mike Dayton called

them " chi

> > > > exercises, " Arnold Schwarzenegger and Joe Weider call " iso

> > tension "

> > > and

> > > > calls it " isometric power flexing. " it is

simply

> > > flexing

> > > > your muscles without the use of apparatus or as Arnold

> > says " posing

> > > as

> > > > exercise. " Combining it with the Bullworker can add a new

> > > dimension to

> > > > your training by increasing your breathing control, ability

to

> > > > concentrate, flex, and coordinate mind muscle response.

Arnold

> > said

> > > in

> > > > his book " The Education Of A bodybuilder " that they were the

> only

> > > type

> > > > of exercise that he used several weeks before a contest when

he

> > > totally

> > > > gave up weight lifting and just flexed his muscles powerfully

> in

> > > front

> > > > of a mirror.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

None of what you have said changes the reality of how the body works.

You have yet to show any substantiation of how BB posing improves

functional strength or performance, other than to improve one's

ability to pose.

That is fine if you are BBr.

Otherwise?

When you have something, please post it.

The fact that MA do sanchin proves that they do it and little else..

I am curious if you can tell me how doing movements very slowly with

both limbs limiting each other can translate into a fast and powerful

kick or punch?

Can you?

> >

> > There is no real free flexing in yoga or MA.

> > There are isometric holds in Yoga, and there

> > is sanchin in some MA.

>

> I think we need some definitions here. What is

> " free flexing " ? If a body builder strikes a pose,

> contracting agonist muscles against antagonist

> (which is how I see " free flexing " to be), how

> different would that be (other than degree of

> muscle contraction) from the isometric hold at

> the end of each sanchin move? Couldn't the end

> of each sanchin move be a " pose " ? Or how different

> would that be from the Lamaze drill, that goes

> " contract arm, relax arm, " going through the rest

> of the body? For yoga, wouldn't holding a body

> posture (asana) also be an isometric hold? I

> learned to do headstands, and I sure see my

> shoulders, arms and back getting into isometrics.

> The same for the bridge.

>

> The only difference I see between bodybuilding

> poses and sanchin holds/yoga asanas is the position

> of the body parts. Well, there's also the degree of

> muscle contraction, ranging from low (yoga asanas,

> kung fu horse stance training) to medium (bodybuilding

> poses) to maximum contraction (sanchin, iron wire form).

>

> > I know of no research that sanchin does squat

> > for MA performance and my experience in MA

> > suggests all it does is tire you out.

>

> Well, those who developed sanchin and similar

> drills were doers, not researchers. They would

> have dropped any drill that did not obviously

> benefit them in a short span of time.

>

> All it does is tire us out? Doesn't that sound

> like something familiar? Namely, exercise? LOL

>

> I would imagine that martial artists of old hardly

> had time or equipment for strength training, since

> most of the time would be spent on developing

> skills. With my experience with sanchin, I would

> say it's one of the most efficient forms of

> exercise, developing strength and endurance

> simultaneously. It could even be a method to use

> for the Tabata protocol. But as you said, it does

> tire us out and I really don't look forward to a

> properly done sanchin kata. (Maybe I should!) And

> definitely I don't look forward to doing it 8 times

> for a Tabata protocol. Just imagining one already

> tires me out. LOL (Uechi ryu recommends three sets.

> I've only gone as far as two, but usually do only

> one, if ever.)

>

> I had a strange experience with sanchin, but no,

> it's not a formal research, though the results

> were consistent:

>

> Our martial arts class (Wing Tsun) was in a

> clubhouse room that was used for ballet at other

> times. There were ballet barres around and my

> classmates and I would use them to " tightrope walk. "

> (Yeah, yeah, we shouldn't have been doing that. LOL)

> At the start, I could not take a couple of steps

> without falling off. But at one point, for some

> reason other than to walk these barres, I decided to

> go back to doing Uechi ryu sanchin. When we next

> tried to walk the barres, I was surprised at how

> easily I was able to keep my balance and walk the

> whole length of one barre! I interpreted it to be

> that training to contract all muscles of the body

> simultaneously enabled me to better able control

> my whole body as a unit, thus being able to balance

> myself better. And this happened several times: I

> had poor balance when I wasn't doing sanchin, and

> I had very good balance when I was doing it.

>

> > Is BB posing or free muscle flexing a discipline?

>

> Why not? Applied with max contractions (which, I admit,

> is done rarely), it seems no different from sanchin.

>

> > What functional benefit does it provide?

>

> It impresses the audience! LOL

>

> But seriously, try doing those body building poses

> and see if they're all so easy. A lot require balance,

> and all require muscle control.

>

> Just my point of view.

>

> Gerry

>

[Guest guest]

This guy posts this stuff in many forums. He is hooked on DVRs, etc. Ask him to post his pic as to how they benefited him. Nate saw his pic. I don't wish to stir up trouble, but he infiltrates many forums pushing these believes, and has caused problems in some. I say, let's drop this "mind power" stuff and get back to the Bullworker. Unless Belloff himself posts it. At least, Belloff makes sense of what he writes and backs it up. Rich rrbelloff wrote: What is your point, what does this prove?> > > > >> > > > > Maxick called it "muscle control". Mike Dayton called > them "chi > > > > > exercises," Arnold Schwarzenegger and Joe Weider call "iso > > > tension" > > > > and > > >

> > calls it "isometric power flexing." it is > simply > > > > flexing > > > > > your muscles without the use of apparatus or as Arnold > > > says "posing > > > > as > > > > > exercise." Combining it with the Bullworker can add a new > > > > dimension to > > > > > your training by increasing your breathing control, ability > to > > > > > concentrate, flex, and coordinate mind muscle response. > Arnold > > > said > > > > in > > > > > his book "The Education Of A bodybuilder" that they were the > > only > > > > type > > > > > of exercise that he used several weeks before a contest when > he > > > > totally > > > > > gave up weight lifting and just flexed his

muscles powerfully > > in > > > > front > > > > > of a mirror.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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[Guest guest]

Rich, I am very comfortable with where I am. I want to see a picture

of Hogue the current owner of Atlas Ltd. He is a

professional and we have never seen a picture of him. Your the one

who keeps stirring this stuff up so where is he?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maxick called it " muscle control " . Mike Dayton called

> > them " chi

> > > > > > exercises, " Arnold Schwarzenegger and Joe Weider

call " iso

> > > > tension "

> > > > > and

> > > > > > calls it " isometric power flexing. " it is

> > simply

> > > > > flexing

> > > > > > your muscles without the use of apparatus or as Arnold

> > > > says " posing

> > > > > as

> > > > > > exercise. " Combining it with the Bullworker can add a new

> > > > > dimension to

> > > > > > your training by increasing your breathing control,

ability

> > to

> > > > > > concentrate, flex, and coordinate mind muscle response.

> > Arnold

> > > > said

> > > > > in

> > > > > > his book " The Education Of A bodybuilder " that they were

> the

> > > only

> > > > > type

> > > > > > of exercise that he used several weeks before a contest

> when

> > he

> > > > > totally

> > > > > > gave up weight lifting and just flexed his muscles

> powerfully

> > > in

> > > > > front

> > > > > > of a mirror.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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