How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

[Guest guest]

I looked back at e-mails I've saved and I can't find the one that has the conversion chart that tells you how much Armour is equal to Synthroid, etc.

I know after my appointment this next time with the doc that my Free T4 is going to be very low and I'm going to suggest we try substituting some Armour for some of the T3 I'm taking. Right now I'm on a total of about 20 micrograms of sustained release T3 a day.

I know from past experience I HAVE to start very with very, very small doses because of my 's and titrate up slowly, even if it means being a bit miserable.

So.....how MUCH T3 is in ......30 mg. (that's a 1/2 grain???) of Armour? I know many of you take MUCH more thyroid meds than that, but if my Mother's body needs are any indication of what I can tolerate, she only takes a total of 60 mg. of Armour in divided doses a day, and she's had her thyroid completely removed.Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now

[Guest guest]

For instance, does T4 provide some chemical reaction in the body? Access to energy? Less heart palpitations? Neurological deficits if you don't have it?

I take six grains of Armour. When my T4 was low, but my T3 in the upper range, I still had brain fog. When my T4 got above 50 percentile, my brain fog went away.

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[Guest guest]

60 mg of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. 30 mg contains 19 mcg of T4 and 4.5 mcg of T3.

>> > I looked back at e-mails I've saved and I can't find the one that has the conversion chart that tells you how much Armour is equal to Synthroid, etc.> > I know after my appointment this next time with the doc that my Free T4 is going to be very low and I'm going to suggest we try substituting some Armour for some of the T3 I'm taking. Right now I'm on a total of about 20 micrograms of sustained release T3 a day.> > I know from past experience I HAVE to start very with very, very small doses because of my 's and titrate up slowly, even if it means being a bit miserable.> > So.....how MUCH T3 is in ......30 mg. (that's a 1/2 grain???) of Armour? I know many of you take MUCH more thyroid meds than that, but if my Mother's body needs are any indication of what I can tolerate, she only takes a total of 60 mg. of Armour in divided doses a day, and she's had her thyroid completely removed.

[Guest guest]

Wow, for some reason I thought Armour contained much more T3. So in effect, I'm taking what would be the equivalent of the T3 in about 200 mg. of Armour. Gosh, no wonder I feel so bizarre. I feel hyper but my body temperature is still low a lot of the time.

My morning basal temp is so erratic. It can be from 96 to 98.0. It fluctuates greatly through the day. I'm debilitatingly exhausted even with full dose hydrocortisone and the T3. I guess it's time to 'get real' with this doctor (Dr. Alavi in Houston). For the most part she's working with me, which is why I'm trying to make this Dr. & Patient relationship work for now. She's willing to do phone consults which is paramount for me since I don't drive, my hubby works out of town and both my daughters are away at college.

So help me out here.....what are the MAIN reasons to take T4 (or Armour) as well, instead of just T3? Her reasoning is that my tests show I don't convert T4 to T3 in adequate amounts, which is true and since the body converts T4 to T3 anyway, you might as well get the bulk of your hormone in T3 form. But I feel so awful physically.

We've addressed the 's issues, I've had all my amalgam fillings out, normalized vit/mineral needs and food allergies, am on full bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, Iodoral, there's not much left EXCEPT thyroid in my mind. That's what started this whole decline 6 years ago and I feel VERY strongly that this is the key to me getting back my health.

Thanks!

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups From: texasthyroid@...Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:54:15 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

60 mg of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. 30 mg contains 19 mcg of T4 and 4.5 mcg of T3.

>> > I looked back at e-mails I've saved and I can't find the one that has the conversion chart that tells you how much Armour is equal to Synthroid, etc.> > I know after my appointment this next time with the doc that my Free T4 is going to be very low and I'm going to suggest we try substituting some Armour for some of the T3 I'm taking. Right now I'm on a total of about 20 micrograms of sustained release T3 a day.> > I know from past experience I HAVE to start very with very, very small doses because of my 's and titrate up slowly, even if it means being a bit miserable.> > So.....how MUCH T3 is in ......30 mg. (that's a 1/2 grain???) of Armour? I know many of you take MUCH more thyroid meds than that, but if my Mother's body needs are any indication of what I can tolerate, she only takes a total of 60 mg. of Armour in divided doses a day, and she's had her thyroid completely removed. Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now

[Guest guest]

Hopefully this will clear up the

confusion:

60mg tablet of Armour contains 38mcg of T4

and 9mcg of T3. Here’s the clarifier…T3 is equal to 4 times the

amount of T4, therefore the 9mcg of T3 is equal to 36mcg of T4.

So….When you take 60mcg of Armour

you are equal to 74mcg of T4 (like Synthroid). (38mcg of T4 + 36mcg from T3= 74mcg of T4)

If you were taking 20mcg of Cytomel, then

you were taking the equivalent of 80mcg of T4.

I hope this helps,

Penny

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Stultz

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008

12:38 PM

To:

texas_thyroid_groups

Subject: RE:

Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

Wow, for some reason I thought Armour contained much more T3. So in effect, I'm

taking what would be the equivalent of

the T3 in about 200 mg. of Armour. Gosh, no wonder I feel

so bizarre. I feel hyper but my body temperature is still low a lot of the

time.

My morning basal temp is so erratic. It can be from 96 to 98.0. It fluctuates

greatly through the day. I'm debilitatingly exhausted even with full dose

hydrocortisone and the T3. I guess it's time to 'get real' with this doctor

(Dr. Alavi in Houston).

For the most part she's working with me, which is why I'm trying to make this

Dr. & Patient relationship work for now. She's willing to do phone consults

which is paramount for me since I don't drive, my hubby works out of town and

both my daughters are away at college.

So help me out here.....what are the MAIN reasons to take T4 (or

Armour) as well, instead of just T3? Her reasoning

is that my tests show I don't convert T4 to T3 in adequate amounts, which is

true and since the body converts T4 to T3 anyway, you might as well

get the bulk of your hormone in T3 form. But I feel so awful

physically.

We've addressed the 's issues, I've had

all my amalgam fillings out, normalized vit/mineral needs and food allergies,

am on full bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, Iodoral, there's not much

left EXCEPT thyroid in my mind. That's what started this whole decline 6 years

ago and I feel VERY strongly that this is the key to me getting back my health.

Thanks!

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

From: texasthyroid

Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:54:15 +0000

Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

60 mg of Armour contains 38

mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. 30 mg contains 19 mcg of T4 and 4.5 mcg of T3.

>

>

> I looked back at e-mails I've saved and I can't find the one that has the

conversion chart that tells you how much Armour is equal to Synthroid, etc.

>

> I know after my appointment this next time with the doc that my Free T4 is

going to be very low and I'm going to suggest we try substituting some Armour

for some of the T3 I'm taking. Right now I'm on a total of about 20 micrograms

of sustained release T3 a day.

>

> I know from past experience I HAVE to start very with very, very small

doses because of my 's and titrate up slowly, even if it means being a

bit miserable.

>

> So.....how MUCH T3 is in ......30 mg. (that's a 1/2 grain???) of Armour? I

know many of you take MUCH more thyroid meds than that, but if my Mother's body

needs are any indication of what I can tolerate, she only takes a total of 60 mg.

of Armour in divided doses a day, and she's had her thyroid completely removed.

Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now

[Guest guest]

When you take T3 only, it suppresses your production of T4. Therefore, if only your T3 is low, you probably still need to take some T4.

There are very few folks who need to take only T3, either temporarily or permanently. Most folks need particular amounts of both T3 and T4. While some folks do well on straight Armour, many of us need extra T4 with our Armour. Still others need extra T3.

From my own experience, the only time I am too cold is when my Free T4 is too low for me. My optimal T4 level is at about 65% of its range, my Free T3 at about 102%.

What you may need is highly individual.

I would suggest that you ask your doc to replace half of your 20 mcg of T3 with 60 mg of Armour.

>> > Wow, for some reason I thought Armour contained much more T3. So in effect, I'm taking what would be the equivalent of the T3 in about 200 mg. of Armour. Gosh, no wonder I feel so bizarre. I feel hyper but my body temperature is still low a lot of the time. > > My morning basal temp is so erratic. It can be from 96 to 98.0. It fluctuates greatly through the day. I'm debilitatingly exhausted even with full dose hydrocortisone and the T3. I guess it's time to 'get real' with this doctor (Dr. Alavi in Houston). For the most part she's working with me, which is why I'm trying to make this Dr. & Patient relationship work for now. She's willing to do phone consults which is paramount for me since I don't drive, my hubby works out of town and both my daughters are away at college. > > So help me out here.....what are the MAIN reasons to take T4 (or Armour) as well, instead of just T3? Her reasoning is that my tests show I don't convert T4 to T3 in adequate amounts, which is true and since the body converts T4 to T3 anyway, you might as well get the bulk of your hormone in T3 form. But I feel so awful physically. > > We've addressed the 's issues, I've had all my amalgam fillings out, normalized vit/mineral needs and food allergies, am on full bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, Iodoral, there's not much left EXCEPT thyroid in my mind. That's what started this whole decline 6 years ago and I feel VERY strongly that this is the key to me getting back my health.> > Thanks!>> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups@...: texasthyroid@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:54:15 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour? > 60 mg of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. 30 mg contains 19 mcg of T4 and 4.5 mcg of T3.

[Guest guest]

I would add that 120 mg of Armour contains 18 mcg of T3.

> >> >> > Wow, for some reason I thought Armour contained much more T3. So in> effect, I'm taking what would be the equivalent of the T3 in about 200> mg. of Armour. Gosh, no wonder I feel so bizarre. I feel hyper but my> body temperature is still low a lot of the time.> >> > My morning basal temp is so erratic. It can be from 96 to 98.0. It> fluctuates greatly through the day. I'm debilitatingly exhausted even> with full dose hydrocortisone and the T3. I guess it's time to 'get> real' with this doctor (Dr. Alavi in Houston). For the most part> she's working with me, which is why I'm trying to make this Dr. & Patient> relationship work for now. She's willing to do phone consults which is> paramount for me since I don't drive, my hubby works out of town and> both my daughters are away at college.> >> > So help me out here.....what are the MAIN reasons to take T4 (or> Armour) as well, instead of just T3? Her reasoning is that my tests show> I don't convert T4 to T3 in adequate amounts, which is true and since> the body converts T4 to T3 anyway, you might as well get the bulk of> your hormone in T3 form. But I feel so awful physically.> >> > We've addressed the 's issues, I've had all my amalgam fillings> out, normalized vit/mineral needs and food allergies, am on full> bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, Iodoral, there's not much left> EXCEPT thyroid in my mind. That's what started this whole decline 6> years ago and I feel VERY strongly that this is the key to me getting> back my health.> >> > Thanks!> >> > To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups@: texasthyroid@: Mon, 6 Oct 2008> 16:54:15 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg.> of Armour?> > 60 mg of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. 30 mg contains> 19 mcg of T4 and 4.5 mcg of T3.>

[Guest guest]

Maybe I could ask the question a different way. I know that many people need T4 to 'feel well' but what does T4 actually DO in the body, that T3 doesn't do??? Does science even know the answer to that question?

For instance, does T4 provide some chemical reaction in the body? Access to energy? Less heart palpitations? Neurological deficits if you don't have it?

Does just having T4 'stored' in the body mean more than just having the much shorter half-life of T3?

You said you feel colder if you don't have enough. Maybe others could share how they specifically felt better when they added T4 to their regimen. I do need some 'ammunition' to share with my doctor, but honestly, I just would love to understand the mechanism of how some of this works.

Thanks so much......

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups From: texasthyroid@...Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:21:41 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

When you take T3 only, it suppresses your production of T4. Therefore, if only your T3 is low, you probably still need to take some T4.

There are very few folks who need to take only T3, either temporarily or permanently. Most folks need particular amounts of both T3 and T4. While some folks do well on straight Armour, many of us need extra T4 with our Armour. Still others need extra T3.

From my own experience, the only time I am too cold is when my Free T4 is too low for me. My optimal T4 level is at about 65% of its range, my Free T3 at about 102%.

What you may need is highly individual.

I would suggest that you ask your doc to replace half of your 20 mcg of T3 with 60 mg of Armour.

>> > Wow, for some reason I thought Armour contained much more T3. So in effect, I'm taking what would be the equivalent of the T3 in about 200 mg. of Armour. Gosh, no wonder I feel so bizarre. I feel hyper but my body temperature is still low a lot of the time. > > My morning basal temp is so erratic. It can be from 96 to 98.0. It fluctuates greatly through the day. I'm debilitatingly exhausted even with full dose hydrocortisone and the T3. I guess it's time to 'get real' with this doctor (Dr. Alavi in Houston). For the most part she's working with me, which is why I'm trying to make this Dr. & Patient relationship work for now. She's willing to do phone consults which is paramount for me since I don't drive, my hubby works out of town and both my daughters are away at college. > > So help me out here.....what are the MAIN reasons to take T4 (or Armour) as well, instead of just T3? Her reasoning is that my tests show I don't convert T4 to T3 in adequate amounts, which is true and since the body converts T4 to T3 anyway, you might as well get the bulk of your hormone in T3 form. But I feel so awful physically. > > We've addressed the 's issues, I've had all my amalgam fillings out, normalized vit/mineral needs and food allergies, am on full bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, Iodoral, there's not much left EXCEPT thyroid in my mind. That's what started this whole decline 6 years ago and I feel VERY strongly that this is the key to me getting back my health.> > Thanks!>> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups@...: texasthyroid@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:54:15 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour? > 60 mg of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. 30 mg contains 19 mcg of T4 and 4.5 mcg of T3. Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now

[Guest guest]

I don't have that information.>> > Maybe I could ask the question a different way. I know that many people need T4 to 'feel well' but what does T4 actually DO in the body, that T3 doesn't do??? Does science even know the answer to that question? > > For instance, does T4 provide some chemical reaction in the body? Access to energy? Less heart palpitations? Neurological deficits if you don't have it? > > Does just having T4 'stored' in the body mean more than just having the much shorter half-life of T3? > > You said you feel colder if you don't have enough. Maybe others could share how they specifically felt better when they added T4 to their regimen. I do need some 'ammunition' to share with my doctor, but honestly, I just would love to understand the mechanism of how some of this works. > > Thanks so much......> > > > To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups@...: texasthyroid@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:21:41 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?> > > > When you take T3 only, it suppresses your production of T4. Therefore, if only your T3 is low, you probably still need to take some T4. > There are very few folks who need to take only T3, either temporarily or permanently. Most folks need particular amounts of both T3 and T4. While some folks do well on straight Armour, many of us need extra T4 with our Armour. Still others need extra T3. > From my own experience, the only time I am too cold is when my Free T4 is too low for me. My optimal T4 level is at about 65% of its range, my Free T3 at about 102%. > What you may need is highly individual.> I would suggest that you ask your doc to replace half of your 20 mcg of T3 with 60 mg of Armour.

[Guest guest]

Since the thyroid would, if healthy, make T4, T3, T2, T1 and

calcitonin... I don't know what each one does either, but I feel so

much better when I take Armour, which provides all.

Marti

> Maybe I could ask the question a different way. I know that many

> people need T4 to 'feel well' but what does T4 actually DO in the

> body, that T3 doesn't do??? Does science even know the answer to that

> question?

[Guest guest]

I'm sure there is more out there, but I ran across an article that linked T4 to hair growth cycles.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18728176

C.

Maybe I could ask the question a different way. I know that many people need T4 to 'feel well' but what does T4 actually DO in the body, that T3 doesn't do??? Does science even know the answer to that question?

For instance, does T4 provide some chemical reaction in the body? Access to energy? Less heart palpitations? Neurological deficits if you don't have it?

Does just having T4 'stored' in the body mean more than just having the much shorter half-life of T3?

You said you feel colder if you don't have enough. Maybe others could share how they specifically felt better when they added T4 to their regimen. I do need some 'ammunition' to share with my doctor, but honestly, I just would love to understand the mechanism of how some of this works.

Thanks so much......

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups From: texasthyroid@...Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:21:41 +0000

Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

When you take T3 only, it suppresses your production of T4. Therefore, if only your T3 is low, you probably still need to take some T4.

There are very few folks who need to take only T3, either temporarily or permanently. Most folks need particular amounts of both T3 and T4. While some folks do well on straight Armour, many of us need extra T4 with our Armour. Still others need extra T3.

From my own experience, the only time I am too cold is when my Free T4 is too low for me. My optimal T4 level is at about 65% of its range, my Free T3 at about 102%.

What you may need is highly individual.

I would suggest that you ask your doc to replace half of your 20 mcg of T3 with 60 mg of Armour.

>> > Wow, for some reason I thought Armour contained much more T3. So in effect, I'm taking what would be the equivalent of the T3 in about 200 mg. of Armour. Gosh, no wonder I feel so bizarre. I feel hyper but my body temperature is still low a lot of the time.

> > My morning basal temp is so erratic. It can be from 96 to 98.0. It fluctuates greatly through the day. I'm debilitatingly exhausted even with full dose hydrocortisone and the T3. I guess it's time to 'get real' with this doctor (Dr. Alavi in Houston). For the most part she's working with me, which is why I'm trying to make this Dr. & Patient relationship work for now. She's willing to do phone consults which is paramount for me since I don't drive, my hubby works out of town and both my daughters are away at college.

> > So help me out here.....what are the MAIN reasons to take T4 (or Armour) as well, instead of just T3? Her reasoning is that my tests show I don't convert T4 to T3 in adequate amounts, which is true and since the body converts T4 to T3 anyway, you might as well get the bulk of your hormone in T3 form. But I feel so awful physically.

> > We've addressed the 's issues, I've had all my amalgam fillings out, normalized vit/mineral needs and food allergies, am on full bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, Iodoral, there's not much left EXCEPT thyroid in my mind. That's what started this whole decline 6 years ago and I feel VERY strongly that this is the key to me getting back my health.

> > Thanks!>> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups@...: texasthyroid@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:54:15 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour? > 60 mg of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. 30 mg contains 19 mcg of T4 and 4.5 mcg of T3.

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[Guest guest]

,

Here is a great journal article from

Shoman’s About.com site that explains why T3 is needed, helps and what

the ratio of T4/T3 that our thyroid naturally makes, as well as so much more

great information.  Just click on the picture of the article or the

instructions to download in PDF.

http://thyroid.about.com/b/2006/01/19/slow-release-compounded-thyroid-replacement-download-free-journal-article.htm

T4 is your storage thyroid hormone (as you

already know) and must be converted to T3.  The brain (and several other

organs) also converts T4 into T3.  I know that you’ve been taking slow

release T3 and I myself had looked into it but I know that it’s just not

a guarantee that you’ll have enough T3 to last the full 24 hours you

need.  This also does not compensate for a day that you need more T3 such as

times of stress, illness or exercise.  The storage T4 compensates for this.

As far as what we each, that is highly

individual.  Many suffer due to cookie cutter solutions.  I personally found

that after my thyroidectomy I felt best when I was switching to Armour and was

taking around 2 ½ grains of Armour and 50mcg of Synthroid.  When I switched to

just Armour, I felt more exhausted than usual, just as you are saying you are

now.  Some of us cannot tolerate the higher T3 content of Armour and need to

add T4 to get our hormone levels closer to a normal humans thyroid ratio.

Shoman’s books and website are

very helpful places to start:  www.thyroid-info.com

I hope this helps,

Penny

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Stultz

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008

3:03 PM

To:

texas_thyroid_groups

Subject: RE:

Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

Maybe I could ask the question a different way. I know

that many people need T4 to 'feel well' but what does T4 actually DO in the

body, that T3 doesn't do??? Does science even know the answer to that question?

For instance, does T4 provide some chemical reaction in the body? Access to

energy? Less heart palpitations? Neurological deficits if you don't have it?

Does just having T4 'stored' in the body mean more than just having the

much shorter half-life of T3?

You said you feel colder if you don't have enough. Maybe others could share how

they specifically felt better when they added T4 to their regimen. I do need

some 'ammunition' to share with my doctor, but honestly, I just would love to

understand the mechanism of how some of this works.

Thanks so much......

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

From: texasthyroid

Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:21:41 +0000

Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

When you take T3 only, it

suppresses your production of T4. Therefore, if only your T3 is low, you

probably still need to take some T4.

There are very few folks who need to take only T3, either

temporarily or permanently. Most folks need particular amounts of both T3 and

T4. While some folks do well on straight Armour, many of us need extra T4 with

our Armour. Still others need extra T3.

From my own experience, the only time I am too cold is when my

Free T4 is too low for me. My optimal T4 level is at about 65% of its

range, my Free T3 at about 102%.

What you may need is highly individual.

I would suggest that you ask your doc to replace half of your 20

mcg of T3 with 60 mg of Armour.

>

>

> Wow, for some reason I thought Armour contained much more T3. So in

effect, I'm taking what would be the equivalent of the T3 in about 200 mg. of

Armour. Gosh, no wonder I feel so bizarre. I feel hyper but my body temperature

is still low a lot of the time.

>

> My morning basal temp is so erratic. It can be from 96 to 98.0. It

fluctuates greatly through the day. I'm debilitatingly exhausted even with full

dose hydrocortisone and the T3. I guess it's time to 'get real' with this doctor

(Dr. Alavi in Houston).

For the most part she's working with me, which is why I'm trying to make this

Dr. & Patient relationship work for now. She's willing to do phone consults

which is paramount for me since I don't drive, my hubby works out of town and

both my daughters are away at college.

>

> So help me out here.....what are the MAIN reasons to take T4 (or Armour)

as well, instead of just T3? Her reasoning is that my tests show I don't

convert T4 to T3 in adequate amounts, which is true and since the body converts

T4 to T3 anyway, you might as well get the bulk of your hormone in T3 form. But

I feel so awful physically.

>

> We've addressed the 's issues, I've had all my amalgam fillings

out, normalized vit/mineral needs and food allergies, am on full bioidentical

hormone replacement therapy, Iodoral, there's not much left EXCEPT thyroid in

my mind. That's what started this whole decline 6 years ago and I feel VERY

strongly that this is the key to me getting back my health.

>

> Thanks!

>

> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups@...: texasthyroid@...: Mon, 6 Oct

2008 16:54:15 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30

mg. of Armour?

> 60 mg of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. 30 mg contains 19

mcg of T4 and 4.5 mcg of T3.

Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now

[Guest guest]

Penny and Clover,

Thank you SO much for the article links. I'm printing them out to read in detail today and also to give my doc a copy. I continue to be so thankful for the gals on this site and the information and empathy they share. I try so hard to keep a positive, upbeat attitude despite feeling so awful and it's nice to know that many of you have improved when your meds are optimized.

I had a dream the other night that I'm hoping God must have 'tucked' into my head. Despite being a woman of faith, I've been fighting such a deep depression. I dreamed I was in a airline plane and it was crashing. I was in the ladies room (go figure) and the plane began to tilt then nosedive straight down. I was flat on my back by then on the floor and asked God to forgive me for any unconfessed sin I might have. Then my life just briefly flashed before my eyes, but somehow I felt that wasn't important then. I felt for sure the plane would crash any moment as it plummeted to earth but I felt at peace.

In the dream I blacked out and when I awoke the 'pilot' had safely landed the plane in a large grove of beautiful trees with no damage to anything and no one hurt. Maybe it was my own brain creating the dream, but it would be nice if God was telling me that even though it feels like everything is crashing down all will be well if I just continue to let Him be the 'pilot'.

Thanks!

Steph Stultz

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups From: pennyrosen@...Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:15:08 -0500Subject: RE: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

,

Here is a great journal article from Shoman’s About.com site that explains why T3 is needed, helps and what the ratio of T4/T3 that our thyroid naturally makes, as well as so much more great information. Just click on the picture of the article or the instructions to download in PDF.

http://thyroid.about.com/b/2006/01/19/slow-release-compounded-thyroid-replacement-download-free-journal-article.htm

T4 is your storage thyroid hormone (as you already know) and must be converted to T3. The brain (and several other organs) also converts T4 into T3. I know that you’ve been taking slow release T3 and I myself had looked into it but I know that it’s just not a guarantee that you’ll have enough T3 to last the full 24 hours you need. This also does not compensate for a day that you need more T3 such as times of stress, illness or exercise. The storage T4 compensates for this.

As far as what we each, that is highly individual. Many suffer due to cookie cutter solutions. I personally found that after my thyroidectomy I felt best when I was switching to Armour and was taking around 2 ½ grains of Armour and 50mcg of Synthroid. When I switched to just Armour, I felt more exhausted than usual, just as you are saying you are now. Some of us cannot tolerate the higher T3 content of Armour and need to add T4 to get our hormone levels closer to a normal humans thyroid ratio.

Shoman’s books and website are very helpful places to start: www.thyroid-info.com

I hope this helps,

Penny

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of StultzSent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:03 PMTo: texas_thyroid_groups Subject: RE: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

Maybe I could ask the question a different way. I know that many people need T4 to 'feel well' but what does T4 actually DO in the body, that T3 doesn't do??? Does science even know the answer to that question? For instance, does T4 provide some chemical reaction in the body? Access to energy? Less heart palpitations? Neurological deficits if you don't have it? Does just having T4 'stored' in the body mean more than just having the much shorter half-life of T3? You said you feel colder if you don't have enough. Maybe others could share how they specifically felt better when they added T4 to their regimen. I do need some 'ammunition' to share with my doctor, but honestly, I just would love to understand the mechanism of how some of this works. Thanks so much......

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups From: texasthyroidDate: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:21:41 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?When you take T3 only, it suppresses your production of T4. Therefore, if only your T3 is low, you probably still need to take some T4. There are very few folks who need to take only T3, either temporarily or permanently. Most folks need particular amounts of both T3 and T4. While some folks do well on straight Armour, many of us need extra T4 with our Armour. Still others need extra T3. From my own experience, the only time I am too cold is when my Free T4 is too low for me. My optimal T4 level is at about 65% of its range, my Free T3 at about 102%. What you may need is highly individual.I would suggest that you ask your doc to replace half of your 20 mcg of T3 with 60 mg of Armour. >> > Wow, for some reason I thought Armour contained much more T3. So in effect, I'm taking what would be the equivalent of the T3 in about 200 mg. of Armour. Gosh, no wonder I feel so bizarre. I feel hyper but my body temperature is still low a lot of the time. > > My morning basal temp is so erratic. It can be from 96 to 98.0. It fluctuates greatly through the day. I'm debilitatingly exhausted even with full dose hydrocortisone and the T3. I guess it's time to 'get real' with this doctor (Dr. Alavi in Houston). For the most part she's working with me, which is why I'm trying to make this Dr. & Patient relationship work for now. She's willing to do phone consults which is paramount for me since I don't drive, my hubby works out of town and both my daughters are away at college. > > So help me out here.....what are the MAIN reasons to take T4 (or Armour) as well, instead of just T3? Her reasoning is that my tests show I don't convert T4 to T3 in adequate amounts, which is true and since the body converts T4 to T3 anyway, you might as well get the bulk of your hormone in T3 form. But I feel so awful physically. > > We've addressed the 's issues, I've had all my amalgam fillings out, normalized vit/mineral needs and food allergies, am on full bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, Iodoral, there's not much left EXCEPT thyroid in my mind. That's what started this whole decline 6 years ago and I feel VERY strongly that this is the key to me getting back my health.> > Thanks!>> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups@...: texasthyroid@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:54:15 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour? > 60 mg of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. 30 mg contains 19 mcg of T4 and 4.5 mcg of T3.

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[Guest guest]

Steph,

Thanks for sharing your dream.  I too am

asking God “Why?” a lot lately.  I even begged my Gastro doc last

week to tell me everything to do and that I would do it if it meant I would be healthy

and be around for my 2 & 3 year old!  I am coming up on the 1 year mark

since my TT at the end of November.  I simply decided to get my TT done since

my insurance was maxed out (they’d pay it all) instead of waiting until

the compression & Hashi symptoms got unbearable.  Don’t get me wrong,

they were already pretty bad and my thyroid and nodules doubled in size in less

than 4 months.  The pathology report came back that my Hurthle cells were in a

state of change and my surgeon told me that he got it just before my thyroid would

become cancerous and Hurthle cell is the worst kind to get. 

At the same time I found a second lump on

my breast (only 4 months after a mammo & sono showed no new growths). 

After the biopsy I was told it was just another Fibroadenoma.  Last month I

went in for an EGD scope (only 14 months after my last one showing no new

problems) and low and behold not only did they find Ulcers and stomach polyps

but I have full blown Barrett’s Esophagus.  Two weeks ago I did the Diagnostics

Tech salvia test per my doctors orders and it came back that I have Adrenal

Fatigue, and that my values are “1” in the afternoon.

I have always been a very strong person,

but cannot understand why this last year has been as challenging as it has

been.  I finally broke down Wednesday night and thank God for my husband.  He

held me, reassured me that I am not a bad person and that I will be there to

watch my children grow up.  I go in for another EGD and this time a Colonoscopy

this Friday.  I am looking for the peace that God gives.

We are not alone in the health battles that

we face, and yes Thank God for the people on this board who can support us,

share ideas and just like you…share a dream that my mean something to

someone else.  In that case it’s me that appreciates your dream.

Mahalo,

Penny

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Stultz

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008

11:14 AM

To:

texas_thyroid_groups

Subject: RE:

Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

Penny and

Clover,

Thank you SO much for the article links. I'm printing them out to read in

detail today and also to give my doc a copy. I continue to be so thankful for

the gals on this site and the information and empathy they share. I try so

hard to keep a positive, upbeat attitude despite feeling so awful and it's nice

to know that many of you have improved when your meds are optimized.

I had a dream the other night that I'm hoping God must have 'tucked' into

my head. Despite being a woman of faith, I've been fighting such a deep

depression. I dreamed I was in a airline plane and it was crashing. I was in

the ladies room (go figure) and the plane began to tilt then nosedive straight

down. I was flat on my back by then on the floor and asked God to forgive me

for any unconfessed sin I might have. Then my life just briefly flashed before

my eyes, but somehow I felt that wasn't important then. I felt for sure the

plane would crash any moment as it plummeted to earth but I felt at

peace.

In the dream I blacked out and when I awoke the 'pilot' had safely landed the

plane in a large grove of beautiful trees with no damage to anything and no one

hurt. Maybe it was my own brain creating the dream, but it would be nice if God

was telling me that even though it feels like everything is crashing down all

will be well if I just continue to let Him be the 'pilot'.

Thanks!

Steph Stultz

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

From: pennyrosenverizon (DOT) net

Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:15:08 -0500

Subject: RE: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

,

Here is a great journal article from

Shoman’s About.com site that explains why T3 is needed, helps and what

the ratio of T4/T3 that our thyroid naturally makes, as well as so much more

great information. Just click on the picture of the article or the

instructions to download in PDF.

http://thyroid.about.com/b/2006/01/19/slow-release-compounded-thyroid-replacement-download-free-journal-article.htm

T4 is your storage thyroid hormone (as you

already know) and must be converted to T3. The brain (and several other

organs) also converts T4 into T3. I know that you’ve been taking

slow release T3 and I myself had looked into it but I know that it’s just

not a guarantee that you’ll have enough T3 to last the full 24 hours you

need. This also does not compensate for a day that you need more T3 such

as times of stress, illness or exercise. The storage T4 compensates for

this.

As far as what we each, that is highly

individual. Many suffer due to cookie cutter solutions. I

personally found that after my thyroidectomy I felt best when I was switching

to Armour and was taking around 2 ½ grains of Armour and 50mcg of

Synthroid. When I switched to just Armour, I felt more exhausted than

usual, just as you are saying you are now. Some of us cannot tolerate the

higher T3 content of Armour and need to add T4 to get our hormone levels closer

to a normal humans thyroid ratio.

Shoman’s books and website are

very helpful places to start: www.thyroid-info.com

I hope this helps,

Penny

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

[mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ]

On Behalf Of Stultz

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008

3:03 PM

To: texas_thyroid_groups

Subject: RE:

Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

Maybe I could ask the question a different way. I know

that many people need T4 to 'feel well' but what does T4 actually DO in the

body, that T3 doesn't do??? Does science even know the answer to that question?

For instance, does T4 provide some chemical reaction in the body? Access to

energy? Less heart palpitations? Neurological deficits if you don't have it?

Does just having T4 'stored' in the body mean more than just having the

much shorter half-life of T3?

You said you feel colder if you don't have enough. Maybe others could share how

they specifically felt better when they added T4 to their regimen. I do need

some 'ammunition' to share with my doctor, but honestly, I just would love to

understand the mechanism of how some of this works.

Thanks so much......

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

From: texasthyroid

Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:21:41 +0000

Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

When you take T3 only, it

suppresses your production of T4. Therefore, if only your T3 is low, you

probably still need to take some T4.

There are very few folks who need to take only T3, either

temporarily or permanently. Most folks need particular amounts of both T3 and

T4. While some folks do well on straight Armour, many of us need extra T4 with

our Armour. Still others need extra T3.

From my own experience, the only time I am too cold is when my

Free T4 is too low for me. My optimal T4 level is at about 65% of its

range, my Free T3 at about 102%.

What you may need is highly individual.

I would suggest that you ask your doc to replace half of your 20

mcg of T3 with 60 mg of Armour.

>

>

> Wow, for some reason I thought Armour contained much more T3. So in

effect, I'm taking what would be the equivalent of the T3 in about 200 mg. of

Armour. Gosh, no wonder I feel so bizarre. I feel hyper but my body temperature

is still low a lot of the time.

>

> My morning basal temp is so erratic. It can be from 96 to 98.0. It fluctuates

greatly through the day. I'm debilitatingly exhausted even with full dose

hydrocortisone and the T3. I guess it's time to 'get real' with this doctor

(Dr. Alavi in Houston).

For the most part she's working with me, which is why I'm trying to make this

Dr. & Patient relationship work for now. She's willing to do phone consults

which is paramount for me since I don't drive, my hubby works out of town and

both my daughters are away at college.

>

> So help me out here.....what are the MAIN reasons to take T4 (or Armour)

as well, instead of just T3? Her reasoning is that my tests show I don't

convert T4 to T3 in adequate amounts, which is true and since the body converts

T4 to T3 anyway, you might as well get the bulk of your hormone in T3 form. But

I feel so awful physically.

>

> We've addressed the 's issues, I've had all my amalgam fillings

out, normalized vit/mineral needs and food allergies, am on full bioidentical

hormone replacement therapy, Iodoral, there's not much left EXCEPT thyroid in

my mind. That's what started this whole decline 6 years ago and I feel VERY

strongly that this is the key to me getting back my health.

>

> Thanks!

>

> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups@...: texasthyroid@...: Mon, 6 Oct

2008 16:54:15 +0000Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30

mg. of Armour?

> 60 mg of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. 30 mg contains 19

mcg of T4 and 4.5 mcg of T3.

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[Guest guest]

Hurthle cell is usually the most difficult to treat of the well-differentiated thyroid cancers. However, poorly differentiated (medullary) is usually more aggressive and difficult to treat. Undifferentiated (anaplastic) is generally aggressive, untreatable and fatal. Very few folks with anaplastic live for more than six months after diagnosis.

--- . The pathology report> came back that my Hurthle cells were in a state of change and my surgeon> told me that he got it just before my thyroid would become cancerous and> Hurthle cell is the worst kind to get.

[Guest guest]

If it's any comfort, I have the Barrett's diagnosis for nearly ten

years now and it hasn't progressed to anything worse...

Marti

> <snip>

>  

> At the same time I found a second lump on my breast (only 4 months

> after a mammo & sono showed no new growths).  After the biopsy I was

> told it was just another Fibroadenoma.  Last month I went in for an

> EGD scope (only 14 months after my last one showing no new problems)

> and low and behold not only did they find Ulcers and stomach polyps

> but I have full blown Barrett’s Esophagus.  Two weeks ago I did the

> Diagnostics Tech salvia test per my doctors orders and it came back

> that I have Adrenal Fatigue, and that my values are “1” in the

> afternoon.

>  <snip>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I meant to say “one of”

when I wrote it. I mean no offense to anyone who has cancer and do not want to

take anything away from their suffering. I in fact am very blessed that the

last three things that have come up (thyroid, breast & esophagus) in the

last 10 months have all been caught before or found not to cancer.

Yes, I am blessed, but I still have days

where I feel less of a mom, wife and person when I look at my family and face

my health challenges.

Penny

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Jan

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008

4:10 PM

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject:

Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

Hurthle cell is usually the

most difficult to treat of the well-differentiated thyroid cancers. However,

poorly differentiated (medullary) is usually more aggressive and difficult to

treat. Undifferentiated (anaplastic) is generally aggressive, untreatable and

fatal. Very few folks with anaplastic live for more than six months after

diagnosis.

--- . The

pathology report

> came back that my Hurthle cells were in a state of change and my surgeon

> told me that he got it just before my thyroid would become cancerous and

> Hurthle cell is the worst kind to get.

[Guest guest]

Your mom-ness, wife-ness, and person-ness is in NO way affected by

whatever rogue cells you may have in your body. Be strong. Our

prayers are with you.

Marti

>

> Sorry, I meant to say “one of” when I wrote it.  I mean no offense to

> anyone who has cancer and do not want to take anything away from their

> suffering.  I in fact am very blessed that the last three things that

> have come up (thyroid, breast & esophagus) in the last 10 months have

> all been caught before or found not to cancer. 

>  

> Yes, I am blessed, but I still have days where I feel less of a mom,

> wife and person when I look at my family and face my health

> challenges.

>  

> Penny

>  

>

> From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

> [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Jan

> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:10 PM

> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

> Subject: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

>  

>

> Hurthle cell is usually the most difficult to treat of the

> well-differentiated thyroid cancers. However, poorly differentiated

> (medullary) is usually more aggressive and difficult to treat.

> Undifferentiated (anaplastic) is generally aggressive, untreatable and

> fatal. Very few folks with anaplastic live for more than six months

> after diagnosis.

>

>  

> --- . The pathology report

> > came back that my Hurthle cells were in a state of change and my

> surgeon

> > told me that he got it just before my thyroid would become

> cancerous and

> > Hurthle cell is the worst kind to get.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am grateful to know that I now also have a resource for this since I

really don't know of anyone else who has this. I talked to my doctor about

the Nissan procedure and he said that since I have a Hiatal hernia that it

would be great for 4 or 5 years but as I get older the muscles will weaken

and the Hiatal hernia would come back and I'd be back to square one.

Can you tell me what, if anything has worked for you? I don't eat spicy

stuff or greasy/fried food. My doctor has switched me to Nexium and Levsin.

Penny

Re: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

If it's any comfort, I have the Barrett's diagnosis for nearly ten

years now and it hasn't progressed to anything worse...

Marti

> <snip>

>  

> At the same time I found a second lump on my breast (only 4 months

> after a mammo & sono showed no new growths).  After the biopsy I was

> told it was just another Fibroadenoma.  Last month I went in for an

> EGD scope (only 14 months after my last one showing no new problems)

> and low and behold not only did they find Ulcers and stomach polyps

> but I have full blown Barrett’s Esophagus.  Two weeks ago I did the

> Diagnostics Tech salvia test per my doctors orders and it came back

> that I have Adrenal Fatigue, and that my values are “1” in the

> afternoon.

>  <snip>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much.

Penny

Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

>  

>

> Hurthle cell is usually the most difficult to treat of the

> well-differentiated thyroid cancers. However, poorly differentiated

> (medullary) is usually more aggressive and difficult to treat.

> Undifferentiated (anaplastic) is generally aggressive, untreatable and

> fatal. Very few folks with anaplastic live for more than six months

> after diagnosis.

>

>  

> --- . The pathology report

> > came back that my Hurthle cells were in a state of change and my

> surgeon

> > told me that he got it just before my thyroid would become

> cancerous and

> > Hurthle cell is the worst kind to get.

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

And at the risk of sounding like a broken record, the Barrett's is

associate with celiac disease - my mom has it and I inherited my

celiac gene from her and I have zero doubt she has celiac given all

her health issues - depression, extreme fatigue, weight gain,

Barrett's, etc.).

Here's a preview of an article on this topic:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/wr0010710467qm17/fulltext.pdf?

page=1

Highlighting the extra-intestinal impacts of celiac, including the

esophagus.

And, it's unfortunate that celiac is rarely discussed at the medical

conferences these GI docs attend - since there is no surgical

procedure nor drugs to treat it. Also, virtually all the research

comes from outside the U.S. (alot from Europe where they are far

more aware of this and where their healthcare systems focus more on

proactive healthcare and are not so business oriented).

The basic enterolab test is $99.

Be well,

B.

> > <snip>

> >  

> > At the same time I found a second lump on my breast (only 4

months

> > after a mammo & sono showed no new growths).  After the biopsy I

was

> > told it was just another Fibroadenoma.  Last month I went in for

an

> > EGD scope (only 14 months after my last one showing no new

problems)

> > and low and behold not only did they find Ulcers and stomach

polyps

> > but I have full blown Barrett's Esophagus.  Two weeks ago I did

the

> > Diagnostics Tech salvia test per my doctors orders and it came

back

> > that I have Adrenal Fatigue, and that my values are " 1 " in the

> > afternoon.

> >  <snip>

>

[Guest guest]

This is a secured link... can you give us a summary of the contest?

Marti

> http://www.springerlink.com/content/wr0010710467qm17/fulltext.pdf?

> page=1

[Guest guest]

I am currently taking a Rx called Zegerid. It's supposed to be longer

lasting than the Nexium I took for the first many years. I never have

heartburn, as such. Sometimes, I feel sourness in the back of my

throat and sometimes a little regurgitation, but never heartburn. One

reason why it wasn't diagnosed for so long... finally was because of my

hoarseness, which turned out to be burned vocal folds and even some

burning in the top of my lungs.

I have taken all those celiac quizzes and have only one symptom listed,

so don't think that is it, .

I am going to be looking into the surgery once I get back from my two

weeks in Hawaii at the end of this month!

Marti

> I am grateful to know that I now also have a resource for this since I

> really don't know of anyone else who has this. I talked to my doctor

> about

> the Nissan procedure and he said that since I have a Hiatal hernia

> that it

> would be great for 4 or 5 years but as I get older the muscles will

> weaken

> and the Hiatal hernia would come back and I'd be back to square one.

>

> Can you tell me what, if anything has worked for you? I don't eat

> spicy

> stuff or greasy/fried food. My doctor has switched me to Nexium and

> Levsin.

>

> Penny

>

>

> Re: Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of

> Armour?

>

> If it's any comfort, I have the Barrett's diagnosis for nearly ten

> years now and it hasn't progressed to anything worse...

>

> Marti

>

>

>> <snip>

>>  

>> At the same time I found a second lump on my breast (only 4 months

>> after a mammo & sono showed no new growths).  After the biopsy I was

>> told it was just another Fibroadenoma.  Last month I went in for an

>> EGD scope (only 14 months after my last one showing no new problems)

>> and low and behold not only did they find Ulcers and stomach polyps

>> but I have full blown Barrett’s Esophagus.  Two weeks ago I did the

>> Diagnostics Tech salvia test per my doctors orders and it came back

>> that I have Adrenal Fatigue, and that my values are “1” in the

>> afternoon.

>>  <snip>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Martha,

Thank you so much.

Penny

Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

>  

>

> Hurthle cell is usually the most difficult to treat of the

> well-differentiated thyroid cancers. However, poorly differentiated

> (medullary) is usually more aggressive and difficult to treat.

> Undifferentiated (anaplastic) is generally aggressive, untreatable and

> fatal. Very few folks with anaplastic live for more than six months

> after diagnosis.

>

>  

> --- . The pathology report

> > came back that my Hurthle cells were in a state of change and my

> surgeon

> > told me that he got it just before my thyroid would become

> cancerous and

> > Hurthle cell is the worst kind to get.

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

,

I did a salvia test and it came back an 11

with 13-15 being boarderline. I have scopes tomorrow and my gastro doctor has

agreed to biopsy my small intestine to send off to the lab. Is there anything

else I should do?

Penny

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of mhbarnes_99

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008

4:06 PM

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject:

Re: How Much T3 in 30 mg. of Armour?

And at the risk of sounding like a broken record, the

Barrett's is

associate with celiac disease - my mom has it and I inherited my

celiac gene from her and I have zero doubt she has celiac given all

her health issues - depression, extreme fatigue, weight gain,

Barrett's, etc.).

Here's a preview of an article on this topic:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/wr0010710467qm17/fulltext.pdf?

page=1

Highlighting the extra-intestinal impacts of celiac, including the

esophagus.

And, it's unfortunate that celiac is rarely discussed at the medical

conferences these GI docs attend - since there is no surgical

procedure nor drugs to treat it. Also, virtually all the research

comes from outside the U.S.

(alot from Europe where they are far

more aware of this and where their healthcare systems focus more on

proactive healthcare and are not so business oriented).

The basic enterolab test is $99.

Be well,

B.

> > <snip>

> >

> > At the same time I found a second lump on my breast (only 4

months

> > after a mammo & sono showed no new growths). After the biopsy

I

was

> > told it was just another Fibroadenoma. Last month I went in for

an

> > EGD scope (only 14 months after my last one showing no new

problems)

> > and low and behold not only did they find Ulcers and stomach

polyps

> > but I have full blown Barrett's Esophagus. Two weeks ago I did

the

> > Diagnostics Tech salvia test per my doctors orders and it came

back

> > that I have Adrenal Fatigue, and that my values are " 1 " in

the

> > afternoon.

> > <snip>

>