Guest guest Posted November 1, 2001 Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 Hello Everyone, What I would like to know is: what is the difference between Phenonip, Germabin, Germabin II, and Germabin Plus. Are they interchangeable? I am asking because I want to make some body lotions and hand creams and I want to use the correct preservative. Also where can I obtain these products in small quantities (ie. 16oz. or 1 gal.)? Thanks a lot. This is a great group and I have learned a lot reading all the posts. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:05:43 -0800 (PST), Mayes wrote: >What I would like to know is: what is the difference >between Phenonip, Germabin, Germabin II, and Germabin >Plus. They are chemically different: Phenonip is Phenoxyethanol (and) Methyparaben (and) Ethylparaben (and) Propylparaben (and) Butylparaben Germall 115 is Imidazolidinyl Urea Germall II is olidinyl Urea Germall Plus is olidinyl Urea (and) Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate Liquid Germall Plus is Propylene Glycol (and) olidinyl Urea (and) Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate > Are they interchangeable? In many cases yes, but the amount used will/may change. >I am asking because >I want to make some body lotions and hand creams and I >want to use the correct preservative. Also where can >I obtain these products in small quantities (ie. 16oz. >or 1 gal.)? Thanks a lot. This is a great group and >I have learned a lot reading all the posts. Here's sommething from the archives: > > >>>Don't you and Sherri from Oshun both carry the >>>Germall Plus in liquid form? >> >>Yes I carry and use Liquid Germall Plus. From my web site: >> " ...Liquid Germall Plus is a patented combination of olidinyl Urea >>(Germall II), Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate (IPBC) and Propylene Glycol. >>Product composition is 39.60% Germall II, 0.40% IPBC, 60.00% Propylene >>Glycol. The recommended use level range for Liquid Germall Plus is 0.1 - >>0.5%. A level of 0.5% may be required for products containing proteins >>and/or other complex ingredients. Liquid Germall Plus can be used up to >>1.25% for both leave on and rinse off products... " > >In a very obtuse way, this brings up an interesting thought. My >professional choice of preservative(s) in my formulas is affected only >by effectiveness and cost effectiveness of the preservative system. >But I suspect that many HomeCrafter and some small manufactures of >personal care products have another consideration; the accuracy and >precision of their balance or scale. > >Let's imagine that you are thinking of using Germall Plus, one of my >favorites. As we know from the ISP literature, the maximum normal use >level for Germall Plus is 0.2% but Germall Plus is approved for use in >EU up to 0.5%. > >Now, let's say we decided to evaluate Germall Plus using 0.3% in our >new magic lotion. I should note that I've never used Germall Plus at >0.3% nor do I recommend using Germaben Plus at 0.3%. > >What would be a good size batch to make to test Germall Plus? Before >we can make that decision, we must know what is the lowest amount that >we can _accurately_ weigh on our balance or scale. > >What follows are a series of calculations (thanks to Excel) that show >how much Germall Plus we would need for various batch sizes if the >Germall Plus were used at 0.3%. > >Batch Size (lbs): 0.25 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 4 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 113.4 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 0.3402 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.012 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 0.5 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 8 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 226.8 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 0.6804 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.024 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 0.75 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 12 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 340.2 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 1.0206 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.036 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 1 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 16 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 453.6 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 1.3608 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.048 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 1.25 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 20 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 567 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 1.701 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.06 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 1.5 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 24 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 680.4 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 2.0412 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.072 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 1.75 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 28 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 793.8 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 2.3814 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.084 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 2 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 32 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 907.2 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 2.7216 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.096 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 3 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 48 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 1360.8 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 4.0824 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.144 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 4 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 64 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 1814.4 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 5.4432 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.192 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 5 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 80 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 2268 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 6.804 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.24 ounce(s) > >Batch Size (lbs): 6 lbs >Batch Size (oz): 96 ounces >Batch Size (grams): 2721.6 grams >Germall Plus Percentage: 0.3 % >Weight of Germall Plus (grams): 8.1648 grams >Weight of Germall Plus (oz): 0.288 ounce(s) > >So, if we can accurately weigh out, rounding off, 0.68 grams or 0.02 >oz, we can make up an 8 ounce batch. But how large must the test batch >be if our scale can only read to 0.25 oz? Our test batch must be 5 lbs >or more to insure accuracy. That seems like a big batch to make every >time you want to try a new formula out with Germall Plus. It would >seem to me that the raw material cost would be prohibitive. > >If you consider using Germall II or Germall 115 at 0.3%, you'll have to >include Methylparaben (0.2% max) and Propylparaben (0.15% max). > >I think it would be easier for many HomeCrafters and small manufactures >to use Germaben II, Liquid Germall Plus or Phenonip as preservative >systems because they are designed to be used at higher levels. > >Just a thought. > > >>I've been researching aromatherapy books and some others for information on making skin care products -- just for myself and family members. I've found some good information, but what I've not seen much on is the best way to preserve the products. Does anyone have any recommendations about: >> >>1) What the best preservatives for this purpose would be? > >When you say " skin care products " , I will assume you mean creams and >lotions. For your purposes, I thonk you should consider: > >Germaben II at 1%. You can find more information about Germaben II by >looking in the CosmeticInfo files area and by going to the >manufacturer's website: >http://www.ispcorp.com/products/hairskin/preserve/pres1.html > >Germall Plus at .1% to .2%. You get find information about Germall Plus >at: >http://www.ispcorp.com/products/hairskin/haircare/per12.html > >Liquid Germall Plus at .35% to .5%. I'm not aware of any online >resource specifically about Liquid Germall Plus, however the >information about Germall Plus would apply here, with the exception of >concentrations. Liquid Germall Plus is a 40% solution of Germall Plus >in Propylene Glycol. > >Phenonip at .5% to 1%. You can find information about Phenonip online >also. > >The 6 page brochure can be downloaded from: >http://www.nipa.com/graphics/leaflets/nipa3.zip > >The individual pages can be viewed from your browser at: >http://www.nipa.com/products/nip3a.htm >http://www.nipa.com/products/nip3b.htm >http://www.nipa.com/products/nip3c.htm >http://www.nipa.com/products/nip3d.htm >http://www.nipa.com/products/nip3e.htm >http://www.nipa.com/products/nip3f.htm > >All of the percentages are percentages by weight. Therefore you will >require a balance to measure the persevatives accurately. Germaben II, >Liquid Germall Plus and Phenonip are easy to handle since they are >liquids and are easier to weigh out accurately since they are used >higher concentrations compared to Germall Plus. > >>2) Where I can buy them in relatively small quantities? > >I'm not very familiar with all the supplier's of preservatives that >sell to homecrafters, but I know you can get Liquid Germall Plus from: > >Sherri Gagnon >sherri@... >Oshun Spirit Arts Ltd. >http://www.oshun.ca > > Young, a frequent contributor to this list, sells Phenonip. > > Young >@... >KY Labs >http://www.kylabs.com/ > >May I suggest that you also search the CosmeticInfo archives? Search >for terms like > >Preservatives >Germall Plus >Germaben II >Phenonip > >I am positive that you will be overwhelmed by the information that you >will find there. ------------------------ Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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