Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 > > says that there are surprisignig very few core beliefs. She > stated to name a few: > " I want " > " I should " > " I need " > " You should " > and the negatives of the above. > > Has anyone a more complete list of these? Thanks so much, Brigitte. The complete list of core beliefs is a new concept to me. What about " I am " ? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 > > says that there are surprisignig very few core beliefs. She > stated to name a few: > " I want " > " I should " > " I need " > " You should " > and the negatives of the above. > > Has anyone a more complete list of these? *****At the left of this screen you'll see the Files link. Click that, then choose the *Byron Material* file, and within that file there is a document called " Sample Core Beliefs. " There are more than 50 of 'em. Reviewing them, I have found the list to be useful in allowing me to discover just how much of thought is founded on beliefs (many held unconsciously or simply without giving any thought to them). Here's another core belief to add to that list: " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever. " ;-)) Yep. All of 's babblings are just beliefs. Nothing special. (And that is not to denigrate the value of The Work and of Byron 's teachings, both of which I think can be immensely useful for certain people. It's just that most of the assertions in LWI ARE beliefs. I have no idea if it is possible to live without ANY beliefs.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Dear Andy, You said: " I have no idea if it is possible to live without ANY beliefs.) " Thanks for the laughs. I loved that one. Love, Steve D. -- In Loving-what-is , " Andy " <endofthedream@y...> wrote: > > > > > > says that there are surprisignig very few core beliefs. She > > stated to name a few: > > " I want " > > " I should " > > " I need " > > " You should " > > and the negatives of the above. > > > > Has anyone a more complete list of these? > > > *****At the left of this screen you'll see the Files link. Click > that, then choose the *Byron Material* file, and within that > file there is a document called " Sample Core Beliefs. " There are > more than 50 of 'em. Reviewing them, I have found the list to be > useful in allowing me to discover just how much of thought is > founded on beliefs (many held unconsciously or simply without giving > any thought to them). > > Here's another core belief to add to that list: " Sanity doesn't > suffer, ever. " ;-)) > > Yep. All of 's babblings are just beliefs. Nothing special. > (And that is not to denigrate the value of The Work and of Byron > 's teachings, both of which I think can be immensely useful for > certain people. It's just that most of the assertions in LWI ARE > beliefs. I have no idea if it is possible to live without ANY > beliefs.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Hi Doug, Yes, as far as I can discern, " I am " is The Core Belief from which all others sprang. But then, I could be wrong. Here is another belief, it appears to me that there is a problem properly identifying the " I " of " I am " . Blessings, Steve D. > > > > says that there are surprisignig very few core beliefs. She > > stated to name a few: > > " I want " > > " I should " > > " I need " > > " You should " > > and the negatives of the above. > > > > Has anyone a more complete list of these? > > Thanks so much, Brigitte. The complete list of core beliefs is a new > concept to me. What about " I am " ? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Steve - it appears to me too, that it is a general condition of humans that they cannot keep straight the " I " of " I am " . I see it as a definition problem. There is the I that is the sum of all the beliefs and thoughts. That I is a construction, because if the beliefs change then so does the I. Then there is whatever is left if there is none of that construction. I have a belief in the existence of both I's. Do you work on that? I am new at this. You have a belief that it appears to you that there is this identification problem. So do you work on that belief? That seems hard. How do I react...? Beats me. Who would I be...? Beats me. The " shoulds " and " needs " are easier. Love, Doug > > > > > > says that there are surprisignig very few core beliefs. > She > > > stated to name a few: > > > " I want " > > > " I should " > > > " I need " > > > " You should " > > > and the negatives of the above. > > > > > > Has anyone a more complete list of these? > > > > Thanks so much, Brigitte. The complete list of core beliefs is a > new > > concept to me. What about " I am " ? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Yes, as far as I can discern, " I am " is The Core Belief from which all others sprang. But then, I could be wrong. Here is another belief, it appears to me that there is a problem properly identifying the " I " of " I am " . *****I'm curious as to how you segregate " I am " from other core beliefs, especially in terms of temporal causality (what came first, second, third, etc.). I know you included the disclaimer that you could be wrong, but if you have such a thought (that " I am " is The Core Belief from which all others sprang), I'd be interested in knowing the reasoning (or whatever) behind that. Personally, I haven't the slightest idea if there IS, in fact, " The Core Belief. " It may be that several critical beliefs arise simultaneously, thus giving birth to the illusions of self, other, and the apparent world. In any case, we seeming entities did not " do " it; it happened, either to us or through us. And we aren't going to undo it either. Although it may get undone at any moment. In the meantime, pass me another beer, eh. :-)))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 *****Doug, if I may... Steve - it appears to me too, that it is a general condition of humans that they cannot keep straight the " I " of " I am " . I see it as a definition problem. There is the I that is the sum of all the beliefs and thoughts. That I is a construction, because if the beliefs change then so does the I. *****If the I is " the sum of all the beliefs and thoughts " as you pose (and I agree with you in this), then the I is constantly changing whenever the brain is conscious since thoughts change and alter moment to moment. Every new sensory input alters the conditioning (usually slightly), thus birthing a new " I " in that moment. And yet we *feel* as if we are some kind of a static, unchanging " thing. " Something with stability. And we probably are. But not the thing we think we are. ;-)) Then there is whatever is left if there is none of that construction. *****And THAT has always been. Even prior to any construction. I have a belief in the existence of both I's. Do you work on that? I am new at this. You have a belief that it appears to you that there is this identification problem. So do you work on that belief? That seems hard. How do I react...? Beats me. Who would I be...? Beats me. The " shoulds " and " needs " are easier. Love, Doug *****Doug: what do you imagine you'll get if you do untangle this skein? For me it would be a lotta work and energy devoted to something that doesn't have any stability. :-))))) [Hint: it's thought itself which is creating this unsolvable problem and then is urging itself/you to find the answer.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Dear Doug, You said: " Do you work on that? I am new at this. You have a belief that it appears to you that there is this identification problem. So do you work on that belief? That seems hard. How do I react...? Beats me. Who would I be...? Beats me. The " shoulds " and " needs " are easier. " First of all, " Beats me " is often more peaceful than holding a belief. So, I have no problem with " beats me " . That is an honest statement. As far as doing The Work on " having a belief that it appears to me that there is this identification problem. " I simply went to the direct turn around of " NOT having a belief that it appears to me that there is this identification problem. " or " my thinking has a belief that it appears to me that there is this identification problem. " Then I ask myself, which feels truer or more peaceful. Is the turnaround as true or truer? Of course it is. Love, Steve D. > > > > > > > > says that there are surprisignig very few core beliefs. > > She > > > > stated to name a few: > > > > " I want " > > > > " I should " > > > > " I need " > > > > " You should " > > > > and the negatives of the above. > > > > > > > > Has anyone a more complete list of these? > > > > > > Thanks so much, Brigitte. The complete list of core beliefs is a > > new > > > concept to me. What about " I am " ? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Dear Andy, You said: " if you have such a thought (that " I am " is The > Core Belief from which all others sprang), I'd be interested in > knowing the reasoning (or whatever) behind that. " I relate it to what I have learned in A Course In Miracles. For me, " I am " sounds like what The Course says: " that the beginning of the idea of separation was a " silly, mad idea " at which we forgot to laugh. " The turnaround could be " I am " is " I am not " . Love, Steve D. > > > Yes, as far as I can discern, " I am " is The Core Belief from which > all others sprang. But then, I could be wrong. > Here is another belief, it appears to me that there is a problem > properly identifying the " I " of " I am " . > > > *****I'm curious as to how you segregate " I am " from other core > beliefs, especially in terms of temporal causality (what came first, > second, third, etc.). I know you included the disclaimer that you > could be wrong, but if you have such a thought (that " I am " is The > Core Belief from which all others sprang), I'd be interested in > knowing the reasoning (or whatever) behind that. > > Personally, I haven't the slightest idea if there IS, in fact, " The > Core Belief. " It may be that several critical beliefs arise > simultaneously, thus giving birth to the illusions of self, other, > and the apparent world. > > In any case, we seeming entities did not " do " it; it happened, either > to us or through us. And we aren't going to undo it either. > Although it may get undone at any moment. > > In the meantime, pass me another beer, eh. :-)))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Steve, Oh I see. " My thinking has a belief that.. " Thanks. That makes sense. Love, Doug > > > > > > > > > > says that there are surprisignig very few core > beliefs. > > > She > > > > > stated to name a few: > > > > > " I want " > > > > > " I should " > > > > > " I need " > > > > > " You should " > > > > > and the negatives of the above. > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone a more complete list of these? > > > > > > > > Thanks so much, Brigitte. The complete list of core beliefs is > a > > > new > > > > concept to me. What about " I am " ? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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