Re: thoughts & smoking - Steve

[Guest guest]

Steve, my lover

> Dear ,

> No, you did not call me a bullshitter, I did. However, you did

call

> what I wrote bullshit. which is your opinion and equal to what I

> wrote. All bullshit.

>

> Yes, those turnarounds can be painful to look at, when we have not

> heard the heart's response to questions 1 thru 4.

heart's response...

Sounds like a slogan to me

I consider myself a women with heart

but as I go in, I cannot tell the deferent

between the heart's response and the mind's!

> Evidently, you get to the turnaround still believing that your

> thoughts are the truth. So, when you do the turnaround, you also

> believe it is true.

What?

> I would be the first to agree that The work is not for everyone.

It

> is " A Way " and not " The Way " . My belief is that you and all of

us

> will find " your way " at the perect time.

I love you Steve, for that!

> I disagree with you about the ability to hear the heart. I

believe

> we are all created equal and with that ability. We also believe

we

> have a will which seems to give us a choice about what we hear.

Well my will as his own will ! Grrrr

> The final key, for me, is Forgiveness and by that I mean the

> understanding that no harm was done and so one is to blame. How

you

> reach that understanding is up to your choices.

>

> Love you, Steve D.

FOX

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Philip,

> > > > > > I wonder why people (some) want to smoke after having

> good

> > sex?

> > > > If

> > > > > > you have the story that every cigarette we smoke is a

> thought-

> > > > down-

> > > > > > shutter, well then we have our proof and the answer is

> > obvious.

> > > > No

> > > > > > need to speculate further, end of discussion, period.

It´s

> > just

> > > > > > that for me smoking is a little more complicated than

> that.

> > Or

> > > > the

> > > > > > story of smoking. Why do people (some) want to have a

> dessert

> > > > > > after a good meal? To shut down their thoughts? Maybe.

> Maybe

> > > they

> > > > > > just feel it would be the perfect ending of a dinner.

>

> > says

> > > > > > so many things, one of them is that smoking can be a

way

> to

> > try

> > > to

> > > > > > shut down our stressful thinking. She also say that we

do

> > only

> > > > > > three things in life: we sit, we stand, we lie

horizontal.

> > The

> > > > > > rest is just a story.

> > > > > > Beats me.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My 2 cents worth

> > > > >

> > > > > Note to myself, not to , Tami or anyone else!

> > > > >

> > > > > The way creation procedes is ALWAYS: THINK, FEEL, ACT,

HAVE.

> > Once

> > > > you

> > > > > understand this you can apply it to everything from

smoking

> to

> > > the

> > > > > reason why you eat desert. LOL ... it is never more

> complicated

> > > > than

> > > > > that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Smoking (after good sex or bad sex):

> > > > > Thought: I hate my mother.

> > > > > Feeling: Depression, sadness.

> > > > > Act: Light up a cigarette.

> > > > > Have: A brief escape from the painful thought " I hate my

> > mother " .

> > > > >

> > > > > smoking in taxi:

> > > > > Thought: He is offering me a cigarette, I can't see a

reason

> > not

> > > to

> > > > > smoke.

> > > > > Feeling: Joy.

> > > > > Act: Smokes cigarette.

> > > > > Have: A blissful cab ride. One advantage of having deeply

> > > realized

> > > > the

> > > > > Work, is that smoking is no longer addictive because it

is

> not

> > > > being

> > > > > done to escape from stressful thoughts. never

smokes

> > again

> > > > after

> > > > > the cab ride.

> > > > >

> > > > > Eating desert:

> > > > > Thought: That cake looks yummy.

> > > > > Feeling: Hunger.

> > > > > Act: Eat cake for desert.

> > > > > Have: A world in which I believe eating cake makes me

happy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Feelings and actions do not appear out of the void, there

is

> > > always

> > > > a

> > > > > preceding thought if we look for it. This is a most basic

> level

> > > of

> > > > > understanding, if you don't get this you will never

> understand

> > > what

> > > > > is saying.

> > > > >

> > > > > End note to myself.

> > > > >

> > > > > " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned

> > concepts. "

> > > > > Byron

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tami (the Fox),

For me, " Heart's response " is not a slogan. For me, it is more real

than any thing else. We are just not used to listening for it. We

listen to the voice that we trust the most. We trust the Ego Mind or

what we think is our intellect.

Other ways of saying " Heart's response " for me would be " My higher

self " , " Voice for God " , " Holy spirit " , " Right Mind " , or my " Gut

Response " . Ways of recognizing it are: It is never condeming of you

or anyone else. It is always soft and gentle and it rarely is the

first answer you hear and never the loudest.

As long as we believe the story that we can be threatened or hurt,

then we will see our scarey stories as true. We are not dealing with

a full deck. We are under the assuption that there can be a threat

and we respond defensively. This then weakens us in our mind's eye

and separates us from the truth. Once you have an experience that

proves this to you (this being that it is all merely a projection of

our mind) you will no longer have any problem hearing the " response

of the heart " . But without an experience like that, we are left with

our judgemental mind to make our decisions. Blah, Blah Blah.

What I am trying to say is that I don't know how to tell you or

how to hear your heart's response. I do, however, want you to

be happy and in joy.

Love, Steve D.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Philip,

> > > > > > > I wonder why people (some) want to smoke after having

> > good

> > > sex?

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > you have the story that every cigarette we smoke is a

> > thought-

> > > > > down-

> > > > > > > shutter, well then we have our proof and the answer is

> > > obvious.

> > > > > No

> > > > > > > need to speculate further, end of discussion, period.

> It´s

> > > just

> > > > > > > that for me smoking is a little more complicated than

> > that.

> > > Or

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > story of smoking. Why do people (some) want to have a

> > dessert

> > > > > > > after a good meal? To shut down their thoughts? Maybe.

> > Maybe

> > > > they

> > > > > > > just feel it would be the perfect ending of a dinner.

> >

> > > says

> > > > > > > so many things, one of them is that smoking can be a

> way

> > to

> > > try

> > > > to

> > > > > > > shut down our stressful thinking. She also say that we

> do

> > > only

> > > > > > > three things in life: we sit, we stand, we lie

> horizontal.

> > > The

> > > > > > > rest is just a story.

> > > > > > > Beats me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My 2 cents worth

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note to myself, not to , Tami or anyone else!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The way creation procedes is ALWAYS: THINK, FEEL, ACT,

> HAVE.

> > > Once

> > > > > you

> > > > > > understand this you can apply it to everything from

> smoking

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > reason why you eat desert. LOL ... it is never more

> > complicated

> > > > > than

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Smoking (after good sex or bad sex):

> > > > > > Thought: I hate my mother.

> > > > > > Feeling: Depression, sadness.

> > > > > > Act: Light up a cigarette.

> > > > > > Have: A brief escape from the painful thought " I hate my

> > > mother " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > smoking in taxi:

> > > > > > Thought: He is offering me a cigarette, I can't see a

> reason

> > > not

> > > > to

> > > > > > smoke.

> > > > > > Feeling: Joy.

> > > > > > Act: Smokes cigarette.

> > > > > > Have: A blissful cab ride. One advantage of having

deeply

> > > > realized

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Work, is that smoking is no longer addictive because it

> is

> > not

> > > > > being

> > > > > > done to escape from stressful thoughts. never

> smokes

> > > again

> > > > > after

> > > > > > the cab ride.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Eating desert:

> > > > > > Thought: That cake looks yummy.

> > > > > > Feeling: Hunger.

> > > > > > Act: Eat cake for desert.

> > > > > > Have: A world in which I believe eating cake makes me

> happy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feelings and actions do not appear out of the void,

there

> is

> > > > always

> > > > > a

> > > > > > preceding thought if we look for it. This is a most

basic

> > level

> > > > of

> > > > > > understanding, if you don't get this you will never

> > understand

> > > > what

> > > > > > is saying.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > End note to myself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned

> > > concepts. "

> > > > > > Byron

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >