Re: Any ideas

[Guest guest]

Hi Mick,

You should be seeing at least increased libido. So IMO all three

symptoms continue to be influenced by low T. I think

1. You have not yet reached a therapeutic T level (almost

regardless of where the bloodwork is).

-And/or-

2. Your free T level is still low. It hasn't not caught up with your

increased total T.

-And/or-

3. Estradiol (E2) is somehow too high or out of proportion with T.

(IMO unlikely, unless you went through a short period of recovery)

Can you let us know:

1. The dose per injection

2. Type of T (T-enthanate, T-Cypionate or brand name)

3. T level (and any other related test results) (A) Before you

started injections and ( after the first three injections, where

you had a 25% increase.

There may be other things going on, but let's start with the above.

Bruce

> Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS, no

> spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections the

> testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm. Friday

week

> will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the normal

> range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas?

> Mick

[Guest guest]

I don't remember how much you are taking but doing shots every other week puts

you into the ups and downs feeling good after the shot and by the 8 day feeling

down until the next one. You should be doing a shot a week like 100 to 150 mgs.

Doing what you are now will driver up you E2 Estradiol I hope you have it

checked.

Phil

northtrade2003 <northtrade2003@...> wrote:

Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS, no

spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections the

testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm. Friday week

will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the normal

range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas?

Mick

[Guest guest]

Need to give some more info, amount, how often, other blood tests like Thyroid,

DHEA-S

etc...

Need to see the blood test results and ranges.

And any important history.

> Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS, no

> spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections the

> testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm. Friday week

> will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the normal

> range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas?

> Mick

[Guest guest]

Hi

Treatament is being done through my GP as an endo said nothing could be done.

All other hormones are in the normal range. I am on sustanon100, 1ml every 2

weeks after an absence of treatment for 25 years. As a 12 year old treated with

oxandrolone after being made crytorchid primed with FSH saising levels from .2

to 1.8. Hope this ecplains the situation

Mick

theta_2k <pohare@...> wrote:

Need to give some more info, amount, how often, other blood tests like Thyroid,

DHEA-S

etc...

Need to see the blood test results and ranges.

And any important history.

> Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS, no

> spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections the

> testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm. Friday week

> will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the normal

> range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas?

> Mick

[Guest guest]

Sustanon is good stuff, should get your T levels up at some point, it may just

take more or

take longer. Still with CFS, Thyroid and Adrenal play a large part in that. What

are your

" normal " levels with range for TSH, DHEA-S, igf-1, Prolatin and DHT?

Adding in HCG and or Clomid, if you have low LH might help with libido.

L-arginine is supposed to work for erections.

> > Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS, no

> > spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections the

> > testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm. Friday week

> > will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the normal

> > range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas?

> > Mick

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I'll check those with the GP to. I certainly know I was treated with L-arginine

when I was injected into an insulin tolerance test when 10. My records show that

L-arginine was used. Certainly didnt have any erection or libido problems then.

In fact it was all abit strange, an amazinzing libido at 10

Mick

theta_2k <pohare@...> wrote:

Sustanon is good stuff, should get your T levels up at some point, it may just

take more or

take longer. Still with CFS, Thyroid and Adrenal play a large part in that. What

are your

" normal " levels with range for TSH, DHEA-S, igf-1, Prolatin and DHT?

Adding in HCG and or Clomid, if you have low LH might help with libido.

L-arginine is supposed to work for erections.

> > Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS, no

> > spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections the

> > testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm. Friday week

> > will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the normal

> > range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas?

> > Mick

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

It could be kidney stones. Was that ruled out? Anytime there is blood in the urine it's usually taken pretty seriously. There could be a small stone stuck in the ureter causing the bleeding.

Dawngibbense@... wrote:

Can anyone offer some advise that I can pass onto my friend

She has a urine infection and is passing blood, the drs have given her anti biotics which she is reluctant to take as she reacts to them, I should point out she has had an implant removed and is dettoxing.

Thanks

SueOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Sue,

When I was younger I had a few urinary tract infections with blood in the urine. It was terrible. The only thing that helped me was anti-biotics.

Beth S.dawn A <daldre@...> wrote:

Sue,

It could be kidney stones. Was that ruled out? Anytime there is blood in the urine it's usually taken pretty seriously. There could be a small stone stuck in the ureter causing the bleeding.

Dawngibbense@... wrote:

Can anyone offer some advise that I can pass onto my friend

She has a urine infection and is passing blood, the drs have given her anti biotics which she is reluctant to take as she reacts to them, I should point out she has had an implant removed and is dettoxing.

Thanks

SueOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Sue,

If her urinary tract infection was as painful as the

one I had, she'd be taking anything offered! . . .

It's best to get the infection under control, then

work on the after effects.

Patty can probably tell you more. I think she took a

gallon of water to the bathroom, sat on the pot and

just kept going until she was clear. Will this help? I

don't know.

I'm traveling right now . . . just jumped on the

computer at the hotel . . .

If you don't hear from me often, know that I'll be

back soon.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Cranberry pills often help, take about 5-6 to start, then every hour take

2-3 more the first day. Drink a ton of water. Avoid antibiotics if you can.

Lynda

At 10:47 PM 4/7/2005, you wrote:

>Sue,

>

>If her urinary tract infection was as painful as the

>one I had, she'd be taking anything offered! . . .

>It's best to get the infection under control, then

>work on the after effects.

>

>Patty can probably tell you more. I think she took a

>gallon of water to the bathroom, sat on the pot and

>just kept going until she was clear. Will this help? I

>don't know.

>

>I'm traveling right now . . . just jumped on the

>computer at the hotel . . .

>

>If you don't hear from me often, know that I'll be

>back soon.

>

>Hugs,

>

>Rogene

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Beth

I agree as I used to have them a lot in the past and nothing worked - I have not had one in years, though. My sister had a massive one recently and went to the heathfood store and I don't know what they gave her but it was cured pretty fast.

When I used to get them badly I would take the antibiotics which would start a yeast infection... when I treated that the yeast cream started another bladder infection... I went on this horrible circle for 6 months. It was awful.

I would say be careful with the antibiotics if you get a yeast infection...if you use the creams keep things "very clean" in the area and avoid smearing it around as it may spark another UTI.

Drink a ton of water and cranberry juice... maybe a local healthfood store may have options too.

thanks shari

[Guest guest]

And lots of garlic, fresh or enzymatic therapy has a garlinese a 4000 mg tablet. Potent stuff. Great for viruses, and infections! Love jUlie

>From: halvey70@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Any ideas >Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:55:30 EDT > >Beth > >I agree as I used to have them a lot in the past and nothing worked - I have >not had one in years, though. My sister had a massive one recently and went >to the heathfood store and I don't know what they gave her but it was cured >pretty fast. > >When I used to get them badly I would take the antibiotics which would start >a yeast infection... when I treated that the yeast cream started another >bladder infection... I went on this horrible circle for 6 months. It was awful. > >I would say be careful with the antibiotics if you get a yeast infection...if >you use the creams keep things "very clean" in the area and avoid smearing it >around as it may spark another UTI. > >Drink a ton of water and cranberry juice... maybe a local healthfood store >may have options too. > >thanks shari

[Guest guest]

water water and more water; i think water is the strongest healer;

flush those toxins out; i know it may be something more serious, as

someone mentioned, maybe stones, but still a flush of water will

minimize complications if it is something more serious than a simple

infection...

[Guest guest]

-

Actually, I have had several bladder infections when I was younger

that I had bloody urine. They are extremely painful and yes, she

should be on an antibiotic. If she is doing measures to control her

candida she should be ok. Sometimes you just need antibiotics in my

opinion. There are many many people on antibiotic therapy for

autoimmune disease and they treat possible candida symptoms at the

same time and do just fine. Alot of them do all kinds of detox and

do just fine on the antibiotics also. Of course, I would recommend

the least complicated one that will do the job. Good luck to your

friend --I hope she feels better soon!

Hugs

kathy

-- In , dawn A <daldre@y...> wrote:

> Sue,

> It could be kidney stones. Was that ruled out? Anytime there is

blood in the urine it's usually taken pretty seriously. There could

be a small stone stuck in the ureter causing the bleeding.

> Dawn

>

> gibbense@a... wrote:

> Can anyone offer some advise that I can pass onto my friend

> She has a urine infection and is passing blood, the drs have given

her anti biotics which she is reluctant to take as she reacts to

them, I should point out she has had an implant removed and is

dettoxing.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sue

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

If the hemoglobin is too high it may not be due to an overdose of T.

The amount of T per day was not disclosed.

A typical dosage of about 12.5mg/day for a man 220 pounds should not

give any trouble but never the less in my case it is tested in my

case every 4 months when I return for more pellets.

The doctor should not have overdosed the patient with T and should

have been aware of the hemogloving level before the last set of

pellets.

Several things need to be cleared up here as this is out of the

ordinary.

It is relatively easy to donate some blood to fix the problem

compared to digging out pellets. Not good advice seems to me.

ernestnolan

> >

> > Hello everbody,

> >

> > I am after some help in how can i rehydrate myself, i have tried

> > drinking lemonade, and electrolytes, i am drinking around 7-8

litres

> of

> > fluid a day, only peeing 2-3 times a day. I am having night

sweats

> and

> > fevers.

> >

> > It mainly started after my endo gave me my implants at 12 wks

instead

> > of 16 wks, and now my hemoglobin is sitting at 184. Anything

higher

> > then 170 for me is dangerous, due to the DVT/PE.

> >

> > Cheers

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

It is not the form of Testosterone therapy but the dosage being too

high. The doctor may have overdosed the patient but it is not the

fault of the form of T pellets.

This is a big mistake by the doctor not the pellets.

ernestnolan

> Hello everbody,

>

> I am after some help in how can i rehydrate myself, i have tried

> drinking lemonade, and electrolytes, i am drinking around 7-8

litres of

> fluid a day, only peeing 2-3 times a day. I am having night sweats

and

> fevers.

>

> It mainly started after my endo gave me my implants at 12 wks

instead

> of 16 wks, and now my hemoglobin is sitting at 184. Anything higher

> then 170 for me is dangerous, due to the DVT/PE.

>

> Cheers

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

The pellet is a crystaline form of testosterone identical chemically

to the T in the body and will not cause a rejection by the body.

ernestnolan

> >

> > Hello everbody,

> >

> > I am after some help in how can i rehydrate myself, i have tried

> > drinking lemonade, and electrolytes, i am drinking around 7-8

> litres of

> > fluid a day, only peeing 2-3 times a day. I am having night

sweats

> and

> > fevers.

> >

> > It mainly started after my endo gave me my implants at 12 wks

> instead

> > of 16 wks, and now my hemoglobin is sitting at 184. Anything

> higher

> > then 170 for me is dangerous, due to the DVT/PE.

> >

> > Cheers

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That cengenics audio file that a link to was posted a week or so

ago...the doctor running the conference complained of pellets not

working well in that there was a falloff with them. Obviuosly, Ernest,

they work well for you, but there are docs out there saying they don't

work whether from experience or ignorance.

> Re: any ideas

>

>

>Hi,

>

>It is not the form of Testosterone therapy but the dosage being too

>high. The doctor may have overdosed the patient but it is not the

>fault of the form of T pellets.

>

>This is a big mistake by the doctor not the pellets.

>

>ernestnolan

>

>

>> Hello everbody,

>>

>> I am after some help in how can i rehydrate myself, i have tried

>> drinking lemonade, and electrolytes, i am drinking around 7-8

>litres of

>> fluid a day, only peeing 2-3 times a day. I am having night sweats

>and

>> fevers.

>>

>> It mainly started after my endo gave me my implants at 12 wks

>instead

>> of 16 wks, and now my hemoglobin is sitting at 184. Anything higher

>> then 170 for me is dangerous, due to the DVT/PE.

>>

>> Cheers

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

They did not work for me and cost me an arm and a leg. Ernest has a good Dr.

yet he does not understand 90% of the sick men here can't afford to fly out to

see his Dr. And there are other men he has talked to that tried them and they

did not work. The last guy had them put in the right amount and and nothing

Ernest told him he never heard of this. Ernest how many men do you know on

pellets. Insurance will not pay for it the Dr.'s that do it in my state are

crooks and charge you a ton of money for not enough pellets. Only to charge you

more money when you go back not feeling good. Name one Dr. other then yours that

does this like your Dr. does. If I could afford it I would see your Dr. but I

am not rich. It just makes no since to me to push this when one can't afford

it.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

That cengenics audio file that a link to was posted a week or so

ago...the doctor running the conference complained of pellets not

working well in that there was a falloff with them. Obviuosly, Ernest,

they work well for you, but there are docs out there saying they don't

work whether from experience or ignorance.

> Re: any ideas

>

>

>Hi,

>

>It is not the form of Testosterone therapy but the dosage being too

>high. The doctor may have overdosed the patient but it is not the

>fault of the form of T pellets.

>

>This is a big mistake by the doctor not the pellets.

>

>ernestnolan

>

>

>> Hello everbody,

>>

>> I am after some help in how can i rehydrate myself, i have tried

>> drinking lemonade, and electrolytes, i am drinking around 7-8

>litres of

>> fluid a day, only peeing 2-3 times a day. I am having night sweats

>and

>> fevers.

>>

>> It mainly started after my endo gave me my implants at 12 wks

>instead

>> of 16 wks, and now my hemoglobin is sitting at 184. Anything higher

>> then 170 for me is dangerous, due to the DVT/PE.

>>

>> Cheers

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I believe you have explained that very well. I missed the file so

will go back and look for it.

I don't know what you mean by a falloff. Could you explain that more

clearly.

I have heard from the two pellet doctors I knew who have been very

close to Bartor Phamacal for decades in Rye NY that several doctors

have had trouble because they do not learn how to insert them

correctly using a torcar surgical tool.

These doctors have tried to use a scalpel and make an inscision and

stuff up to 20 pellets under the skin with tweezers. The stitches do

not hold under the pressure and are slow to heal. Some have become

infected with all the fooling around getting them in and stitching.

The trocar inserts the pellets several inches from the inscision made

you the chisel shaped tool and rarely is there any problem of any

type.

Some times the pellets seem to run out too soon in some people but

usually 4 months between pellets is good for most.

Special trocar training takes time and money and if you don't offer

pellets to your patients you would rather get them to use what you

offer.

I am trying to let people be aware there is a form or TRT therapy

that is trouble free for the patient and works very well for most

people. I get no money to push pellets and the compounding pharmacies

do not advertise much as there is no much profit in pellets that

allows that expense. It is not that way for the big pharmaceutical

companies providing hormone therapy products of all kinds that many

times do not work very well.

ernstnolan

> >> Hello everbody,

> >>

> >> I am after some help in how can i rehydrate myself, i have tried

> >> drinking lemonade, and electrolytes, i am drinking around 7-8

> >litres of

> >> fluid a day, only peeing 2-3 times a day. I am having night

sweats

> >and

> >> fevers.

> >>

> >> It mainly started after my endo gave me my implants at 12 wks

> >instead

> >> of 16 wks, and now my hemoglobin is sitting at 184. Anything

higher

> >> then 170 for me is dangerous, due to the DVT/PE.

> >>

> >> Cheers

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

By " falloff " , he was basically saying that when you put X number of

pellets in, initially the patient will get a big surge ( " climbing the

walls " I think he said), and then as the pellets wear down, the levels

will go too low.

> Re: any ideas

>

>

>Hi,

>

>I believe you have explained that very well. I missed the file so

>will go back and look for it.

>

>I don't know what you mean by a falloff. Could you explain that more

>clearly.

>

>I have heard from the two pellet doctors I knew who have been very

>close to Bartor Phamacal for decades in Rye NY that several doctors

>have had trouble because they do not learn how to insert them

>correctly using a torcar surgical tool.

>

>These doctors have tried to use a scalpel and make an inscision and

>stuff up to 20 pellets under the skin with tweezers. The stitches do

>not hold under the pressure and are slow to heal. Some have become

>infected with all the fooling around getting them in and stitching.

>

>The trocar inserts the pellets several inches from the inscision made

>you the chisel shaped tool and rarely is there any problem of any

>type.

>

>Some times the pellets seem to run out too soon in some people but

>usually 4 months between pellets is good for most.

>

>Special trocar training takes time and money and if you don't offer

>pellets to your patients you would rather get them to use what you

>offer.

>

>I am trying to let people be aware there is a form or TRT therapy

>that is trouble free for the patient and works very well for most

>people. I get no money to push pellets and the compounding pharmacies

>do not advertise much as there is no much profit in pellets that

>allows that expense. It is not that way for the big pharmaceutical

>companies providing hormone therapy products of all kinds that many

>times do not work very well.

>

>ernstnolan

>

>

>> >> Hello everbody,

>> >>

>> >> I am after some help in how can i rehydrate myself, i have tried

>> >> drinking lemonade, and electrolytes, i am drinking around 7-8

>> >litres of

>> >> fluid a day, only peeing 2-3 times a day. I am having night

>sweats

>> >and

>> >> fevers.

>> >>

>> >> It mainly started after my endo gave me my implants at 12 wks

>> >instead

>> >> of 16 wks, and now my hemoglobin is sitting at 184. Anything

>higher

>> >> then 170 for me is dangerous, due to the DVT/PE.

>> >>

>> >> Cheers

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Received pellets 3 times a year since 1991. After 42 times I have

never had a surge of any kind. That should be a statisically

significant sample.

I have had an awareness that my pellets are getting down some as my

energy level begins to drop and stamina isn't as it was. Mental

agility is not upset.

ernestnolan

> >> >> Hello everbody,

> >> >>

> >> >> I am after some help in how can i rehydrate myself, i have

tried

> >> >> drinking lemonade, and electrolytes, i am drinking around 7-8

> >> >litres of

> >> >> fluid a day, only peeing 2-3 times a day. I am having night

> >sweats

> >> >and

> >> >> fevers.

> >> >>

> >> >> It mainly started after my endo gave me my implants at 12 wks

> >> >instead

> >> >> of 16 wks, and now my hemoglobin is sitting at 184. Anything

> >higher

> >> >> then 170 for me is dangerous, due to the DVT/PE.

> >> >>

> >> >> Cheers

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>