Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease

[Guest guest]

Hi Ilena,

My daughter is a celiac, is there something you want to know about it?

Kenda

Wonderful to see you here Eileen!

Could you say something too, about your experience with celiac

disease?

Love from Ilena

> 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33; discussion 1434-

5.Related Articles, Links

>

>

> Capsular synovial metaplasia as a common response to both textured

and smooth implants.

>

> Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J, Chopra W, Shaw WW.

>

> Division of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of

Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA.

>

> Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial metaplasia

in the capsular tissues of breast implants is greater with textured-

shelled implants compared with smooth. Textured implants, however,

have become popular only in the last few years. Therefore, the

studies do not address the possibility that synovial metaplasia may

be a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age) rather than

implant shell surface. In the current study, 159 implant capsules

(85 patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of 1993 at

UCLA Medical Center were evaluated histologically and correlated

with clinical data, including the age of implants. Synovial

metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of the capsule

specimens. A logistic regression analysis that removed the effect of

implant age demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type

(textured versus smooth) with the presence of synovial metaplasia.

Gel bleed, implant location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture,

and capsular contracture also did not have any significant

association with synovial metaplasia in the current study. The

incidence of synovial metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77

percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our findings

suggest that synovial metaplasia is not rare and in fact may be a

fairly common transitional histologic finding. It may be part of the

common progression that occurs at the implant-capsule interface. The

clinical significance remains unknown.

>

> PMID: 8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

>

> Eileen Swanson

> sosalines@e...

> EarthLink Revolves Around You.

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kenda.

Eileen Swanson has done alot of research about this ... and I was

hoping she'd share some of her wisdom.

Here's her website:

http://www.homestead.com/sosalines/SOS.html

> >> > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33; discussion

1434-

> > 5.Related Articles, Links

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as a common response to both

textured

> > and smooth implants.

> >> >

> >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J, Chopra W, Shaw WW.

> >> >

> >> > Division of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of

> > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA.

> >> >

> >> > Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial

metaplasia

> > in the capsular tissues of breast implants is greater with

textured-

> > shelled implants compared with smooth. Textured implants,

however,

> > have become popular only in the last few years. Therefore, the

> > studies do not address the possibility that synovial metaplasia

may

> > be a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age) rather

than

> > implant shell surface. In the current study, 159 implant capsules

> > (85 patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of 1993

at

> > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated histologically and correlated

> > with clinical data, including the age of implants. Synovial

> > metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of the

capsule

> > specimens. A logistic regression analysis that removed the

effect of

> > implant age demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type

> > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of synovial

metaplasia.

> > Gel bleed, implant location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture,

> > and capsular contracture also did not have any significant

> > association with synovial metaplasia in the current study. The

> > incidence of synovial metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77

> > percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our findings

> > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not rare and in fact may be a

> > fairly common transitional histologic finding. It may be part of

the

> > common progression that occurs at the implant-capsule interface.

The

> > clinical significance remains unknown.

> >> >

> >> > PMID: 8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Eileen Swanson

> >> > sosalines@e...

> >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

And me and my son Tyler are celiacs as well! I have to get time to post on Rogene's site about this, as I believe implants triggered an immune response to gluten. How many others have it here?

>From: "colibrimama" <colibrimama@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease >Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:06:47 -0000 > > > >Thanks Kenda. > >Eileen Swanson has done alot of research about this ... and I was >hoping she'd share some of her wisdom. > >Here's her website: > >http://www.homestead.com/sosalines/SOS.html > > > > > > >> > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33; discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J, Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > > > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> > Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of breast implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled implants compared with smooth. Textured implants, >however, > > > have become popular only in the last few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not address the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age) rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85 patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of 1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated histologically and correlated > > > with clinical data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > > metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of the >capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant age demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > > > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture, > > > and capsular contracture also did not have any significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia in the current study. The > > > incidence of synovial metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > > percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly common transitional histologic finding. It may be part of >the > > > common progression that occurs at the implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical significance remains unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID: 8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > > >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice >given by licensed > > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed >health care > > > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. > > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about >how to live a > > > happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

,

I have celiac disease and gluten sensitivity (I carry two genes:: DQ1

and DQ8).

Moss ~ ten days post-explant and feeling great!

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I assume you know that there are two ethnic

populations that have alot of celiac. The Italian and

Irish.

I believe it can progressively get worse as someone is

exposed to more and more gluten. This is afterall,

how it eventually gets diagnosed.

There is also a correlation between fair haired and

eyed children. I know this from experience.

I think it is important that all of us here realize

that implants do not trigger all diseases. There are

other factors involved with diseases.

GT

--- JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

And me and my son Tyler are celiacs as well! I have to

get time to post on Rogene's site about this, as I

believe implants triggered an immune response to

gluten. How many others have it here?

>From: " colibrimama " <colibrimama@...>

>Reply- >To:

>Subject:

Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease

>Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:06:47 -0000 > > > >Thanks

Kenda. > >Eileen Swanson has done alot of research

about this ... and I was >hoping she'd share some of

her wisdom. > >Here's her website: >

>http://www.homestead.com/sosalines/SOS.html > > >

> > > >>

> 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33;

discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > >

>> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as

a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth

implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J,

Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of

Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > >

> Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> >

Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial

>metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of breast

implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled

implants compared with smooth. Textured implants,

>however, > > > have become popular only in the last

few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not address

the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be

a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age)

rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the

current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85

patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of

1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated

histologically and correlated > > > with clinical

data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > >

metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of

the >capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression

analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant age

demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > >

> (textured versus smooth) with the presence of

synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant

location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture, > > >

and capsular contracture also did not have any

significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia

in the current study. The > > > incidence of synovial

metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > >

percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our

findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not

rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly common

transitional histologic finding. It may be part of

>the > > > common progression that occurs at the

implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical

significance remains unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID:

8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >>

> > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > >

>> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to

take the place of advice >given by licensed > > >

health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed >health care > > > professional before

commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > " Do not

let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead you. > > > Find out what the facts are, and

make your own decisions about >how to live a > > >

happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus ing, >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner

(1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > For Healing

Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of

>Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants, go

to: > > >

/files/ > >

> > > > To view links to related websites on breast

implants, go to: > > >

/links > >

> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

There are many diseases not caused by silicone, but we should all be aware

that weakening our immune system can bring on diseases that we are more

prone to get because of heredity, and it can bring them on many years

sooner than we would have gotten them. That is really the issue.

Lynda

At 11:29 AM 4/8/2005, you wrote:

>Hi,

>

>I assume you know that there are two ethnic

>populations that have alot of celiac. The Italian and

>Irish.

>I believe it can progressively get worse as someone is

>exposed to more and more gluten. This is afterall,

>how it eventually gets diagnosed.

>

>There is also a correlation between fair haired and

>eyed children. I know this from experience.

>

>I think it is important that all of us here realize

>that implants do not trigger all diseases. There are

>other factors involved with diseases.

>

>GT

>

>

>--- JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

>

>

>---------------------------------

>

>And me and my son Tyler are celiacs as well! I have to

>get time to post on Rogene's site about this, as I

>believe implants triggered an immune response to

>gluten. How many others have it here?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >From: " colibrimama " <colibrimama@...>

> >Reply- >To:

> >Subject:

> Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease

> >Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:06:47 -0000 > > > >Thanks

>Kenda. > >Eileen Swanson has done alot of research

>about this ... and I was >hoping she'd share some of

>her wisdom. > >Here's her website: >

> ><http://www.homestead.com/sosalines/SOS.html>http://www.homestead.com/sos

> alines/SOS.html > > >

> > > > >>

> > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33;

>discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > >

> >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as

>a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth

>implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J,

>Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of

>Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > >

> > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> >

>Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial

> >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of breast

>implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled

>implants compared with smooth. Textured implants,

> >however, > > > have become popular only in the last

>few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not address

>the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be

>a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age)

>rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the

>current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85

>patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of

>1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated

>histologically and correlated > > > with clinical

>data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > >

>metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of

>the >capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression

>analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant age

>demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > >

> > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of

>synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant

>location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture, > > >

>and capsular contracture also did not have any

>significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia

>in the current study. The > > > incidence of synovial

>metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > >

>percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our

>findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not

>rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly common

>transitional histologic finding. It may be part of

> >the > > > common progression that occurs at the

>implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical

>significance remains unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID:

>8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >>

> > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > >

> >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to

>take the place of advice >given by licensed > > >

>health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed >health care > > > professional before

>commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > " Do not

>let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >mislead you. > > > Find out what the facts are, and

>make your own decisions about >how to live a > > >

>happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

>Linus ing, >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner

>(1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > For Healing

>Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of

> >Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants, go

>to: > > >

>< /files/>gro\

up/ /files/

> > >

> > > > > To view links to related websites on breast

>implants, go to: > > >

>< /links>grou\

p/ /links

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Exactly what I believe ... thanks for saying it so well Lynda.

> > >>

> > > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33;

> >discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as

> >a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth

> >implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J,

> >Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of

> >Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > >

> > > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> >

> >Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial

> > >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of breast

> >implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled

> >implants compared with smooth. Textured implants,

> > >however, > > > have become popular only in the last

> >few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not address

> >the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be

> >a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age)

> >rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the

> >current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85

> >patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of

> >1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated

> >histologically and correlated > > > with clinical

> >data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > >

> >metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of

> >the >capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression

> >analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant age

> >demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > >

> > > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of

> >synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant

> >location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture, > > >

> >and capsular contracture also did not have any

> >significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia

> >in the current study. The > > > incidence of synovial

> >metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > >

> >percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our

> >findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not

> >rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly common

> >transitional histologic finding. It may be part of

> > >the > > > common progression that occurs at the

> >implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical

> >significance remains unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID:

> >8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >>

> > > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > >

> > >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to

> >take the place of advice >given by licensed > > >

> >health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >licensed >health care > > > professional before

> >commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > " Do not

> >let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > >mislead you. > > > Find out what the facts are, and

> >make your own decisions about >how to live a > > >

> >happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> >Linus ing, >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner

> >(1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > For Healing

> >Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of

> > >Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants, go

> >to: > > >

>

>< /files/>http://groups.ya

hoo.com/group/ /files/

> > > >

> > > > > > To view links to related websites on breast

> >implants, go to: > > >

>

>< /links>http://groups.yah

oo.com/group/ /links

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Ilena. Doctors have been telling us this for years.

Lynda

At 12:18 PM 4/8/2005, you wrote:

>Exactly what I believe ... thanks for saying it so well Lynda.

>

>

> > > >>

> > > > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33;

> > >discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > >

> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as

> > >a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth

> > >implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J,

> > >Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of

> > >Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > >

> > > > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> >

> > >Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial

> > > >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of breast

> > >implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled

> > >implants compared with smooth. Textured implants,

> > > >however, > > > have become popular only in the last

> > >few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not address

> > >the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be

> > >a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age)

> > >rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the

> > >current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85

> > >patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of

> > >1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated

> > >histologically and correlated > > > with clinical

> > >data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > >

> > >metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of

> > >the >capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression

> > >analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant age

> > >demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > >

> > > > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of

> > >synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant

> > >location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture, > > >

> > >and capsular contracture also did not have any

> > >significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia

> > >in the current study. The > > > incidence of synovial

> > >metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > >

> > >percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our

> > >findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not

> > >rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly common

> > >transitional histologic finding. It may be part of

> > > >the > > > common progression that occurs at the

> > >implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical

> > >significance remains unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID:

> > >8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > >

> > > >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to

> > >take the place of advice >given by licensed > > >

> > >health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > >licensed >health care > > > professional before

> > >commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > " Do not

> > >let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > >mislead you. > > > Find out what the facts are, and

> > >make your own decisions about >how to live a > > >

> > >happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > >Linus ing, >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner

> > >(1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > For Healing

> > >Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of

> > > >Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants, go

> > >to: > > >

> >

> ><< /files/>http://groups..

> com/group/ /files/>http://groups.ya

>hoo.com/group/ /files/

> > > > >

> > > > > > > To view links to related websites on breast

> > >implants, go to: > > >

> >

> ><< /links>http://groups..c

> om/group/ /links>http://groups.yah

>oo.com/group/ /links

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

While I do not " blame " my implants for the onset of celiac disease, it

is well known that adult onset celiac can be triggered by surgery and

trauma. My symptoms evolved after implant surgery following childbirth.

Just for the record, too, I am not blonde or blue eyed, but dark, and

of a mixed Jewish/Eastern European/Russian heritage.

Celiac is an auto-immune disease, and T-cells are involved. I wonder

if anyone has studied the prevelance of activated T-cells (auto-immune

cells) in implanted women?

Interesting...?

Moss

> Hi,

>

> I assume you know that there are two ethnic

> populations that have alot of celiac. The Italian and

> Irish.

> I believe it can progressively get worse as someone is

> exposed to more and more gluten. This is afterall,

> how it eventually gets diagnosed.

>

> There is also a correlation between fair haired and

> eyed children. I know this from experience.

>

> I think it is important that all of us here realize

> that implants do not trigger all diseases. There are

> other factors involved with diseases.

>

> GT

[Guest guest]

Here's Eileen's link on this:

http://www.homestead.com/sosalines/celiac.html

Righto to your comments, Lynda.

> > >>

> > > > > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33;

> > > >discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > >

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as

> > > >a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth

> > > >implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J,

> > > >Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of

> > > >Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > >

> > > > > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> >

> > > >Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial

> > > > >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of breast

> > > >implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled

> > > >implants compared with smooth. Textured implants,

> > > > >however, > > > have become popular only in the last

> > > >few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not address

> > > >the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be

> > > >a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age)

> > > >rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the

> > > >current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85

> > > >patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of

> > > >1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated

> > > >histologically and correlated > > > with clinical

> > > >data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > >

> > > >metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of

> > > >the >capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression

> > > >analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant age

> > > >demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > >

> > > > > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of

> > > >synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant

> > > >location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture, > > >

> > > >and capsular contracture also did not have any

> > > >significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia

> > > >in the current study. The > > > incidence of synovial

> > > >metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > >

> > > >percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our

> > > >findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not

> > > >rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly common

> > > >transitional histologic finding. It may be part of

> > > > >the > > > common progression that occurs at the

> > > >implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical

> > > >significance remains unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID:

> > > >8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > >

> > > > >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to

> > > >take the place of advice >given by licensed > > >

> > > >health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > > >licensed >health care > > > professional before

> > > >commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > " Do not

> > > >let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > > >mislead you. > > > Find out what the facts are, and

> > > >make your own decisions about >how to live a > > >

> > > >happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > > >Linus ing, >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner

> > > >(1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > For Healing

> > > >Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of

> > > > >Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants, go

> > > >to: > > >

> > >

> >

><< /files/>http://groups.y

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> > com/group/ /files/>http://groups.ya

> >hoo.com/group/ /files/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To view links to related websites on breast

> > > >implants, go to: > > >

> > >

> >

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> > om/group/ /links>http://groups.yah

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I believe you are right about the immune trigger due to implants . Dr. Kane told me that the implants set my son up via his immune system. Then when he got fifth's disease that was it. It just stayed in his system. Even without the fifth's disease somewhere along the line, because of a compromised immune system something would have gotten him. Detoxing is the answer. Even for kids. Love, Anita Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease >Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:06:47 -0000 > > > >Thanks Kenda. > >Eileen Swanson has done alot of research about this ... and I was >hoping she'd share some of her wisdom. > >Here's her website: > >http://www.homestead.com/sosalines/SOS.html > > > > > > >> > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33; discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J, Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > > > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> > Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of breast implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled implants compared with smooth. Textured implants, >however, > > > have become popular only in the last few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not address the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age) rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85 patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of 1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated histologically and correlated > > > with clinical data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > > metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of the >capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant age demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > > > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture, > > > and capsular contracture also did not have any significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia in the current study. The > > > incidence of synovial metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > > percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly common transitional histologic finding. It may be part of >the > > > common progression that occurs at the implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical significance remains unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID: 8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > > >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice >given by licensed > > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed >health care > > > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. > > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about >how to live a > > > happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > >

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Sorry I disagree. Although genetic, none of my family members have this at all, over 11 have been tested-and after I tested psotive, I was asked by both doctors what environmental triggers I have been exposed to. The criteria for Celiac disease is that it is genetic first, and you have to have a main trigger, or two to generate it to becoming fullblown. I was asked if I had recent surgeries or tramatic illnesses or viuses. I did- implants and explant surgery. Just because you carry the genes does not mean it cannot stay silent for your entire life. That is the case in my family members, they have ther genes, but no disease. I stated in my opinion the implants triggered this to come out, and firmly believe so still. So do both of my doctors.

>From: "colibrimama" <colibrimama@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease >Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:18:40 -0000 > > > >Exactly what I believe ... thanks for saying it so well Lynda. > > > > > >> > > > > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33; > > >discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as > > >a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth > > >implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J, > > >Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of > > >Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > > > > > > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> > > > >Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial > > > >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of breast > > >implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled > > >implants compared with smooth. Textured implants, > > > >however, > > > have become popular only in the last > > >few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not address > > >the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be > > >a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age) > > >rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the > > >current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85 > > >patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of > > >1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated > > >histologically and correlated > > > with clinical > > >data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > > > > >metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of > > >the >capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression > > >analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant age > > >demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > > > > > > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of > > >synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant > > >location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture, > > > > > >and capsular contracture also did not have any > > >significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia > > >in the current study. The > > > incidence of synovial > > >metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > > > > >percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our > > >findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not > > >rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly common > > >transitional histologic finding. It may be part of > > > >the > > > common progression that occurs at the > > >implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical > > >significance remains unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID: > > >8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > > > > > >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to > > >take the place of advice >given by licensed > > > > > >health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > >licensed >health care > > > professional before > > >commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > "Do not > > >let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > > >mislead you. > > > Find out what the facts are, and > > >make your own decisions about >how to live a > > > > > >happy life and how to work for a better world." - > > >Linus ing, >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner > > >(1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > For Healing > > >Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of > > > >Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants, go > > >to: > > > > > > >< /files/>http://groups.ya >hoo.com/group/ /files/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To view links to related websites on breast > > >implants, go to: > > > > > > >< /links>http://groups.yah >oo.com/group/ /links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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la, I am not fair, nor blue eyed, nor Irish nor Italian, and was told that a trigger is need to onset the genetic disease. None of my family has this, as 11 have been tested and all are negative thus far. I totally believe, as both my docs that my imfected implants triggered the onset of this disease. it is auto immune in nature and foreign objects cause and trigger just that. I also ate very little gluiten over the last 4 years, as I was mercola' diet , of no grains. So my exposure was null compared to the population to say the least. I firmily believe implants triggerred this to come out.

I have gotten them out ,and watched my health dramatically return, I think they are capable of creating almost anythnig. And there are no studies to tell me otherwise.

>From: la Todarello <tasslekitty@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease >Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:29:56 -0700 (PDT) > > >Hi, > >I assume you know that there are two ethnic >populations that have alot of celiac. The Italian and >Irish. >I believe it can progressively get worse as someone is >exposed to more and more gluten. This is afterall, >how it eventually gets diagnosed. > >There is also a correlation between fair haired and >eyed children. I know this from experience. > >I think it is important that all of us here realize >that implants do not trigger all diseases. There are >other factors involved with diseases. > >GT > > >--- JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote: > > >--------------------------------- > >And me and my son Tyler are celiacs as well! I have to >get time to post on Rogene's site about this, as I >believe implants triggered an immune response to >gluten. How many others have it here? > > > > > > > >From: "colibrimama" <colibrimama@...> > >Reply- >> >Subject: > Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease > >Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:06:47 -0000 > > > >Thanks >Kenda. > >Eileen Swanson has done alot of research >about this ... and I was >hoping she'd share some of >her wisdom. > >Here's her website: > > >http://www.homestead.com/sosalines/SOS.html > > > > > > > >> > > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33; >discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as >a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth >implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J, >Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of >Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > > > > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> > >Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial > >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of breast >implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled >implants compared with smooth. Textured implants, > >however, > > > have become popular only in the last >few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not address >the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be >a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age) >rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the >current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85 >patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of >1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated >histologically and correlated > > > with clinical >data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > > >metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of >the >capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression >analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant age >demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > > > > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of >synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant >location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture, > > > >and capsular contracture also did not have any >significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia >in the current study. The > > > incidence of synovial >metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > > >percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our >findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not >rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly common >transitional histologic finding. It may be part of > >the > > > common progression that occurs at the >implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical >significance remains unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID: >8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > > > >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to >take the place of advice >given by licensed > > > >health care professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed >health care > > > professional before >commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > "Do not >let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >mislead you. > > > Find out what the facts are, and >make your own decisions about >how to live a > > > >happy life and how to work for a better world." - >Linus ing, >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner >(1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > For Healing >Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of > >Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants, go >to: > > > > /files/ > > > > > > > To view links to related websites on breast >implants, go to: > > > > /links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Thanks Anita. I totally think that celiac was triggered. Tyler got 5th's disease too, so did I last year from him! Oh the joint pain was terrible! He has mostly the slapped look, and I had more of the joint pain! I have him on a small daily detox regimin, chlorella, vitamins, probiotics and fiber. Hope it will be enough, when tomorrows hit Love

>From: "anita kessler" <AnitaK001@...> >Reply- >"SALINE SUPPORT" < > >Subject: Re: Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease >Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:25:23 -0700 > >I believe you are right about the immune trigger due to implants . Dr. Kane told me that the implants set my son up via his immune system. Then when he got fifth's disease that was it. It just stayed in his system. Even without the fifth's disease somewhere along the line, because of a compromised immune system something would have gotten him. Detoxing is the answer. Even for kids. Love, Anita > > RE: Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease > >And me and my son Tyler are celiacs as well! I have to get time to post on Rogene's site about this, as I believe implants triggered an immune response to gluten. How many others have it here? > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > >"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >

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,

As you know, my 12 year-old daughter is a symptomatic celiac as well. In none of my research or discussions with doctors have I been told that there had to be a trigger to cause a celiac to be symptomatic. Some celiacs are symptomatic, while many are not. I have discussed this at length with her pediatrician and gastroenterologist. Where did you hear that one NEEDS a trigger to cause it to become “full blown”? There can be triggers to cause symptoms when previously there were none, but I have never read or heard that it is necessary.

Also, there are symptomatic celiacs and non-symptomatic celiacs but nothing referred to as full blown. All celiacs are advised to avoid gluten or risk causing permanent damage and possible cancer to your intestines. Generally symptoms are a result of damage done to intestines from consuming gluten. In nearly all cases, following a gluten-free diet for life “cures” a celiac.

You know your body better than anyone but I have to disagree that celiac disease NEEDS a trigger to be symptomatic.

Kenda

Sorry I disagree. Although genetic, none of my family members have this at all, over 11 have been tested-and after I tested psotive, I was asked by both doctors what environmental triggers I have been exposed to. The criteria for Celiac disease is that it is genetic first, and you have to have a main trigger, or two to generate it to becoming fullblown. I was asked if I had recent surgeries or tramatic illnesses or viuses. I did- implants and explant surgery. Just because you carry the genes does not mean it cannot stay silent for your entire life. That is the case in my family members, they have ther genes, but no disease. I stated in my opinion the implants triggered this to come out, and firmly believe so still. So do both of my doctors.

>From: " colibrimama " <colibrimama@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease >Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:18:40 -0000 > > > >Exactly what I believe ... thanks for saying it so well Lynda. > > > > > >> > > > > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33; > > >discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as > > >a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth > > >implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J, > > >Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of > > >Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > > > > > > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> > > > >Recent reports suggested that the presence of synovial > > > >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of breast > > >implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled > > >implants compared with smooth. Textured implants, > > > >however, > > > have become popular only in the last > > >few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not address > > >the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be > > >a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age) > > >rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the > > >current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85 > > >patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of > > >1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated > > >histologically and correlated > > > with clinical > > >data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > > > > >metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of > > >the >capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression > > >analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant age > > >demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > > > > > > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of > > >synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant > > >location, pericapsular fluid, implant rupture, > > > > > >and capsular contracture also did not have any > > >significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia > > >in the current study. The > > > incidence of synovial > > >metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > > > > >percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our > > >findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not > > >rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly common > > >transitional histologic finding. It may be part of > > > >the > > > common progression that occurs at the > > >implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical > > >significance remains unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID: > > >8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > > > > > >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to > > >take the place of advice >given by licensed > > > > > >health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > >licensed >health care > > > professional before > > >commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > " Do not > > >let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > > >mislead you. > > > Find out what the facts are, and > > >make your own decisions about >how to live a > > > > > >happy life and how to work for a better world. " - > > >Linus ing, >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner > > >(1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > For Healing > > >Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of > > > >Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants, go > > >to: > > > > > > >< /files/>http://groups.ya >hoo.com/group/ /files/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To view links to related websites on breast > > >implants, go to: > > > > > > >< /links>http://groups.yah >oo.com/group/ /links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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,

There must be a lot going on trigger-wise because

Celiac disease is becoming almost common place -

notice the change in advertising and grocery stores as

they promote gluten-free foods!

I read one place where someone considered the downfall

of the Roman empire to be due to their wealth. The

wealthy could afford Lead eating utensils. . .

Our downfall is going to be our desire for convenient

foods and living!

Love,

Rogene

--- JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Sorry I disagree. Although genetic, none of my family

members have this at all, over 11 have been tested-and

after I tested psotive, I was asked by both doctors

what environmental triggers I have been exposed to.

The criteria for Celiac disease is that it is genetic

first, and you have to have a main trigger, or two to

generate it to becoming fullblown. I was asked if I

had recent surgeries or tramatic illnesses or viuses.

I did- implants and explant surgery. Just because you

carry the genes does not mean it cannot stay silent

for your entire life. That is the case in my family

members, they have ther genes, but no disease. I

stated in my opinion the implants triggered this to

come out, and firmly believe so still. So do both of

my doctors.

>From: " colibrimama " <colibrimama@...>

>Reply- >To:

>Subject:

Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease

>Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:18:40 -0000 > > > >Exactly

what I believe ... thanks for saying it so well Lynda.

> > > > > >> > > > > 1: Plast

Reconstr Surg. 1996 Jun;97(7):1427-33; > > >discussion

>1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > > > > > >> >

> > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as > >

>a common response to both >textured > > > and smooth

> > >implants. > > >> > > > >> > Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J,

> > >Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of

> > >Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School

of > > > > > > Medicine, Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > >

>> > > > >> > > > >Recent reports suggested that the

presence of synovial > > > >metaplasia > > > in the

capsular tissues of breast > > >implants is greater

with >textured- > > > shelled > > >implants compared

with smooth. Textured implants, > > > >however, > > >

have become popular only in the last > > >few years.

Therefore, the > > > studies do not address > > >the

possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be > >

>a dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age)

> > >rather >than > > > implant shell surface. In the

> > >current study, 159 implant capsules > > > (85 > >

>patients) removed between February of 1992 and July

of > > >1993 >at > > > UCLA Medical Center were

evaluated > > >histologically and correlated > > >

with clinical > > >data, including the age of

implants. Synovial > > > > > >metaplasia was

identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of > > >the

>capsule > > > specimens. A logistic regression > >

>analysis that removed the >effect of > > > implant

age > > >demonstrated no correlation of implant shell

type > > > > > > (textured versus smooth) with the

presence of > > >synovial >metaplasia. > > > Gel

bleed, implant > > >location, pericapsular fluid,

implant rupture, > > > > > >and capsular contracture

also did not have any > > >significant > > >

association with synovial metaplasia > > >in the

current study. The > > > incidence of synovial > >

>metaplasia appears to decrease with age (77 > > > > >

>percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our

> > >findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia

is not > > >rare and in fact may be a > > > fairly

common > > >transitional histologic finding. It may be

part of > > > >the > > > common progression that

occurs at the > > >implant-capsule interface. >The > >

> clinical > > >significance remains unknown. > > >> >

> > >> > PMID: > > >8643727 [PubMed - indexed for

MEDLINE] > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Eileen

Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > > > > > >> >

EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to

> > >take the place of advice >given by licensed > > >

> > >health care professionals. Consult your physician

or > > >licensed >health care > > > professional

before > > >commencing any medical treatment. > > > >

> > " Do not > > >let either the medical authorities or

the politicians > > > >mislead you. > > > Find out

what the facts are, and > > >make your own decisions

about >how to live a > > > > > >happy life and how to

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>two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner > > >(1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > > > For Healing > >

>Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of

> > > >Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants,

go > > >to: > > > > > >

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,

Does Tyler ever use the sauna?

I wonder if it would help him detox?

Love,

Rogene

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Kenda, I sent a link regarding studies showing where there NEEDS to be a environmental trigger for celiac . I wouldnt post anythnig without having research behind a statement. I'm sorry, we are here all specualting on our same symptoms and that implants cause fibromyalgia, thyroid disease and others, so why would another auto immune disease such as celaic be "Not one of them. I do not blame all my illness or problems on implants, but as for the auto immnue ones, I for sure look into. Same with Celiac.

As foregin objects and infections are known to trigger auto immnue illness. And that is what Celaic is , and it is the only auto immnue illness known to need a trigger to manifest. I have been to two day long seminars, and have over 10 books on the topic, as well as spoken to prediatric gasto's and my own gastro and regular internist, as both me and my son born while implanted have this, and yet no one else tested in my family does. All the docs for both of us-asked what recent triggers both Tyler and I have been exposed to. And agreed that our severe case was most likely caued by this. I believe they can be capable of causing anything auto immnue.

>From: Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:09:34 -0500 > >, > >As you know, my 12 year-old daughter is a symptomatic celiac as well. In >none of my research or discussions with doctors have I been told that there >had to be a trigger to cause a celiac to be symptomatic. Some celiacs are >symptomatic, while many are not. I have discussed this at length with her >pediatrician and gastroenterologist. Where did you hear that one NEEDS a >trigger to cause it to become ³full blown²? There can be triggers to cause >symptoms when previously there were none, but I have never read or heard >that it is necessary. > >Also, there are symptomatic celiacs and non-symptomatic celiacs but nothing >referred to as full blown. All celiacs are advised to avoid gluten or risk >causing permanent damage and possible cancer to your intestines. Generally >symptoms are a result of damage done to intestines from consuming gluten. >In nearly all cases, following a gluten-free diet for life ³cures² a celiac. > >You know your body better than anyone but I have to disagree that celiac >disease NEEDS a trigger to be symptomatic. > >Kenda > > > > Sorry I disagree. Although genetic, none of my family members have this at > > all, over 11 have been tested-and after I tested psotive, I was asked by both > > doctors what environmental triggers I have been exposed to. The criteria for > > Celiac disease is that it is genetic first, and you have to have a main > > trigger, or two to generate it to becoming fullblown. I was asked if I had > > recent surgeries or tramatic illnesses or viuses. I did- implants and explant > > surgery. Just because you carry the genes does not mean it cannot stay silent > > for your entire life. That is the case in my family members, they have ther > > genes, but no disease. I stated in my opinion the implants triggered this to > > come out, and firmly believe so still. So do both of my doctors. > > > > > > > > > > > >> >From: "colibrimama" <colibrimama@...> >Reply-> >> > >Subject: > >> Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease >Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 > >> 18:18:40 -0000 > > > >Exactly what I believe ... thanks for saying it so well > >> Lynda. > > > > > >> > > > > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 > >> Jun;97(7):1427-33; > > >discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as > > >a common > >> response to both >textured > > > and smooth > > >implants. > > >> > > > >> > > >> Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J, > > >Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of > > >> > >Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > > > > > > Medicine, > >> Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> > > > >Recent reports suggested that > >> the presence of synovial > > > >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of > >> breast > > >implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled > > >implants > >> compared with smooth. Textured implants, > > > >however, > > > have become > >> popular only in the last > > >few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not > >> address > > >the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be > > >a > >> dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age) > > >rather >than > > > > >> implant shell surface. In the > > >current study, 159 implant capsules > > > > >> (85 > > >patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of > > >1993 >at > >> > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated > > >histologically and correlated > > >> > > with clinical > > >data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > > > > >> > >metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of > > >the >capsule > > >> > > specimens. A logistic regression > > >analysis that removed the >effect > >> of > > > implant age > > >demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > > >> > > > > > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of > > >synovial > >> >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant > > >location, pericapsular fluid, > >> implant rupture, > > > > > >and capsular contracture also did not have any > > >> > >significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia > > >in the current > >> study. The > > > incidence of synovial > > >metaplasia appears to decrease > >> with age (77 > > > > > >percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our > >> > > >findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not > > >rare and in > >> fact may be a > > > fairly common > > >transitional histologic finding. It > >> may be part of > > > >the > > > common progression that occurs at the > > > >> >implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical > > >significance remains > >> unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID: > > >8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > > > > >> > > >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to > > >take the place of advice >given > >> by licensed > > > > > >health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > >> > >licensed >health care > > > professional before > > >commencing any > >> medical treatment. > > > > > > "Do not > > >let either the medical > >> authorities or the politicians > > > >mislead you. > > > Find out what the > >> facts are, and > > >make your own decisions about >how to live a > > > > > > >> >happy life and how to work for a better world." - > > >Linus ing, > >> >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner > > >(1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > >> > > > For Healing > > >Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of > > >> > > >Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants, go > > >to: > > > > > > > >> >< /files/>http://groups.ya > >> >hoo.com/group/ /files/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To view links to > >> related websites on breast > > >implants, go to: > > > > > > > >> >< /links>http://groups.yah > >> >oo.com/group/ /links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Groups Links > > > * To > > >visit your group on the web, go to: > > > * > > > >> > >< />http://groups..co > >> >m/group/ / > > > > > > * > > > > > > * To unsubscribe from this > >> group, send an email > > >to: > > > * > >> -unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > >> ><mailto: -unsubscribe ? > > > > >> >subject=Unsubscribe> > > > * > > > * Your use of > > > is > >> subject to the Terms of > > > >Service > > > > > > > >> ><<> > > . > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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I read your link but come to a different conclusion. Like you, I have spent many hours researching on my own and with doctors. I agree that implants can and do cause autoimmune problems, different in everyone it seems but the trigger for CD is gluten. You may have developed it because of other autoimmune problems related to implants, I won’t disagree with you there.

Kenda

Kenda, I sent a link regarding studies showing where there NEEDS to be a environmental trigger for celiac . I wouldnt post anythnig without having research behind a statement. I'm sorry, we are here all specualting on our same symptoms and that implants cause fibromyalgia, thyroid disease and others, so why would another auto immune disease such as celaic be " Not one of them. I do not blame all my illness or problems on implants, but as for the auto immnue ones, I for sure look into. Same with Celiac.

As foregin objects and infections are known to trigger auto immnue illness. And that is what Celaic is , and it is the only auto immnue illness known to need a trigger to manifest. I have been to two day long seminars, and have over 10 books on the topic, as well as spoken to prediatric gasto's and my own gastro and regular internist, as both me and my son born while implanted have this, and yet no one else tested in my family does. All the docs for both of us-asked what recent triggers both Tyler and I have been exposed to. And agreed that our severe case was most likely caued by this. I believe they can be capable of causing anything auto immnue.

>From: Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:09:34 -0500 > >, > >As you know, my 12 year-old daughter is a symptomatic celiac as well. In >none of my research or discussions with doctors have I been told that there >had to be a trigger to cause a celiac to be symptomatic. Some celiacs are >symptomatic, while many are not. I have discussed this at length with her >pediatrician and gastroenterologist. Where did you hear that one NEEDS a >trigger to cause it to become “full blown”? There can be triggers to cause >symptoms when previously there were none, but I have never read or heard >that it is necessary. > >Also, there are symptomatic celiacs and non-symptomatic celiacs but nothing >referred to as full blown. All celiacs are advised to avoid gluten or risk >causing permanent damage and possible cancer to your intestines. Generally >symptoms are a result of damage done to intestines from consuming gluten. >In nearly all cases, following a gluten-free diet for life “cures” a celiac. > >You know your body better than anyone but I have to disagree that celiac >disease NEEDS a trigger to be symptomatic. > >Kenda > > > > Sorry I disagree. Although genetic, none of my family members have this at > > all, over 11 have been tested-and after I tested psotive, I was asked by both > > doctors what environmental triggers I have been exposed to. The criteria for > > Celiac disease is that it is genetic first, and you have to have a main > > trigger, or two to generate it to becoming fullblown. I was asked if I had > > recent surgeries or tramatic illnesses or viuses. I did- implants and explant > > surgery. Just because you carry the genes does not mean it cannot stay silent > > for your entire life. That is the case in my family members, they have ther > > genes, but no disease. I stated in my opinion the implants triggered this to > > come out, and firmly believe so still. So do both of my doctors. > > > > > > > > > > > >> >From: " colibrimama " <colibrimama@...> >Reply-> >> > >Subject: > >> Re: For Eileen ... Celiac Disease >Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 > >> 18:18:40 -0000 > > > >Exactly what I believe ... thanks for saying it so well > >> Lynda. > > > > > >> > > > > 1: Plast Reconstr Surg. 1996 > >> Jun;97(7):1427-33; > > >discussion >1434- > > > 5.Related Articles, Links > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Capsular synovial metaplasia as > > >a common > >> response to both >textured > > > and smooth > > >implants. > > >> > > > >> > > >> Ko CY, Ahn CY, Ko J, > > >Chopra W, Shaw WW. > > >> > > > >> > Division of > > >> > >Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, UCLA School of > > > > > > Medicine, > >> Los Angeles, Calif, USA. > > >> > > > >> > > > >Recent reports suggested that > >> the presence of synovial > > > >metaplasia > > > in the capsular tissues of > >> breast > > >implants is greater with >textured- > > > shelled > > >implants > >> compared with smooth. Textured implants, > > > >however, > > > have become > >> popular only in the last > > >few years. Therefore, the > > > studies do not > >> address > > >the possibility that synovial metaplasia >may > > > be > > >a > >> dynamic process related to time (e.g., implant age) > > >rather >than > > > > >> implant shell surface. In the > > >current study, 159 implant capsules > > > > >> (85 > > >patients) removed between February of 1992 and July of > > >1993 >at > >> > > > UCLA Medical Center were evaluated > > >histologically and correlated > > >> > > with clinical > > >data, including the age of implants. Synovial > > > > > >> > >metaplasia was identified in 40 percent (64 of 159) of > > >the >capsule > > >> > > specimens. A logistic regression > > >analysis that removed the >effect > >> of > > > implant age > > >demonstrated no correlation of implant shell type > > >> > > > > > (textured versus smooth) with the presence of > > >synovial > >> >metaplasia. > > > Gel bleed, implant > > >location, pericapsular fluid, > >> implant rupture, > > > > > >and capsular contracture also did not have any > > >> > >significant > > > association with synovial metaplasia > > >in the current > >> study. The > > > incidence of synovial > > >metaplasia appears to decrease > >> with age (77 > > > > > >percent at < 5 years; 22 percent at > 15 years). Our > >> > > >findings > > > suggest that synovial metaplasia is not > > >rare and in > >> fact may be a > > > fairly common > > >transitional histologic finding. It > >> may be part of > > > >the > > > common progression that occurs at the > > > >> >implant-capsule interface. >The > > > clinical > > >significance remains > >> unknown. > > >> > > > >> > PMID: > > >8643727 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Eileen Swanson > > >> > sosalines@e... > > > > >> > > >> > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to > > >take the place of advice >given > >> by licensed > > > > > >health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > >> > >licensed >health care > > > professional before > > >commencing any > >> medical treatment. > > > > > > " Do not > > >let either the medical > >> authorities or the politicians > > > >mislead you. > > > Find out what the > >> facts are, and > > >make your own decisions about >how to live a > > > > > > >> >happy life and how to work for a better world. " - > > >Linus ing, > >> >two-time > > > Nobel Prize Winner > > >(1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > >> > > > For Healing > > >Therapies and Detox info, and to view Testimonies of > > >> > > >Victims, and > > > Studies of harm by implants, go > > >to: > > > > > > > >> >< /files/>http://groups.ya > >> >hoo.com/group/ /files/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To view links to > >> related websites on breast > > >implants, go to: > > > > > > > >> >< /links>http://groups.yah > >> >oo.com/group/ /links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Groups Links > > > * To > > >visit your group on the web, go to: > > > * > > > >> > >< />http://groups..co > >> >m/group/ / > > > > > > * > > > > > > * To unsubscribe from this > >> group, send an email > > >to: > > > * > >> -unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > >> ><mailto: -unsubscribe ? > > > > >> >subject=Unsubscribe> > > > * > > > * Your use of > > > is > >> subject to the Terms of > > > >Service > > > > > > > >> ><<> > > . > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >