Re: hope as a barrier to enlightenment ? - Steve

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> Dear Judy,

>

> Your post brought up some thoughts. You said:

> " If one is living in perfect freedom, perhaps no emotion would ever

> arise. I don't know about that, since I don't live there. "

>

> I don't know about that either! :-)

>

> Judy said:

>

> " I am not talking about hope as hoping for something, or that the

sun

> will come out tomorrow. Not at all. I am talking about hope as

what i

> wrote earlier -- that thing which motivates human beings to take

> another step. Human beings, not totally enlightened beings. "

>

> The above statement disagrees with some of my basic beliefs, such

as:

> that there are beings that are not " totally enlightened beings " ,

> except for their story that they are not. And you said: " that

thing

> which motivates human beings to take another step " . That thing

that

> motivates human beings is fear. As I have heard say many

> times, " she has no motivation at all " and that " all motivation is

> fear " .

Wow

that is beautifull

sound logical to me

nice phraseology

>

> In my opinion, " hope " can only be " fear based " and it is used by

the

> mind to keep us unaware of who or what we really are. I

understand

> that you do not see " hope " the same as I do and that is just fine

and

> dandy.

>

> For myself, if I experience hope arising in my awareness, it may

not

> cause me feelings of stress immediately and I may not inquire into

it

> right away; however, if I hold that belief long enough, I find

that

> it brings (as says) disappointment. I can hope that my cat

> will learn to bark but the truth is that all hope is " hopeless "

> because it requires a future which does not exist.

What do you mean by that?

" future which does not exist "

>

> Love, Steve D.

>

>

> I mean, why

> do the work at all? Because of this thought that you can discover

> something about yourself, find happiness, peace, -- and here on

this

> site -- connect with others, have more understanding, maybe have

> someone add to your understanding. I say all of this is based upon

> hope. I say that the only pain is when my expectations don't get

met

> and I don't let go and then I am bitter and sad and angry.

>

> >

> > >

> > > I see hope as a thief that steals your attention away from how

> > > beautiful everything already is.

> > >

> > > Hope presupposes that things could get better, that " The sun

will

> > > come out tomorrow " and that something is wrong with the here

and

> now.

> > > One thing that repeats frequently is the she is

a " Women

> with

> > > no future " . What does that mean?

> > > I think it means that if she died right now then everything is

> > > perfect.  nothing could be added.  She walks in a state where

> > > everything is complete and perfect.  Nothing needs to be

changed

> > > because nothing is wrong.  Why would you need hope if nothing

> needs

> > > changing?  It can't get any better than being truely free.

> > >

> > > Despite you truely beautiful poetic prose in homage of hope.

Hope

> > > has a future orientation and negates the present. Taking one

away

> > > from reality and what is.  Failure is an inherent component of

> > > hope.  If things really needed to be changed, you would just

> change

> > > them.  Not indulge in fantasy or wishful thinking. 

> > >

> > > There is a word that is worthy of all the qualities in your

post,

> > > but it is not 'hope', for hope has a darker side that takes

us

> away

> > > from reality.

> > >

> > > I hope you find what you are looking for.

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > > > Here is how I see hope.

> > > >

> > > > On this earth we must act. (Everyone does until they don't).

> > > >

> > > > I see HOPE as innocent arising within the heart.

> > > >

> > > > So I am subtracting any sense of fear or worry from hope.

> > > >

> > > > Just pure innocent hope put there by god (as I perceive

God).

> > > >

> > > > So I would say:

> > > >

> > > > Hope is a vital, expansive part of life. Without hope, life

> > > becomes

> > > > dry. There is a difference, however, between hope and

> expectation.

> > > > Expectation thinks, nearly insists, that something must

happen

> and

> > > > experiences a big let down that can lead to depression and

> > > resentment

> > > > when it does not happen according to plan. Expectation

carries

> > > > suitcases containing demands, attachments, and lots of ego.

> Hope

> > > > travels light, with no baggage.

> > > >      

> > > > Hope is a light shining in your heart. Hope says, " Yes! I

will

> > > plant

> > > > the tree! " Hope holds a vision of apples already growing on

the

> > > tree.

> > > > Then, expectation jumps in. Expectation crowds out the

> innocent,

> > > > expansive energy of hope. Hope can let go. Expectation can

only

> > > grab.

> > > > Hope holds a vision put there by God. Expectation takes

hold of

> > > that

> > > > vision and calls it " mine. "

> > > >

> > > > .....works for me

> > > > xxx000

> > > > Judy

> > > >

> > > >