Re: Re: Digest Number 1701 Steve

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy

--- Silent Center wrote:

>

> Hi Lyn,

> this is Judy, not Steve, hope you don't mind.

> You say: " The moment you chose your body (more or less) you

> agreed to

> having identities. "

>

> Well, that is a concept some people " believe " -- and I would

> stop right

> there. Is it really true that " you chose your body " ?

Only after past life regressions did I come up with that. So,

some people don't believe in past life and some do. Some

haven't experienced it and some have.

Yes, I chose this body I have now and for specific reasons. I

also chose the family I was born in by the decisions I had made

and what I believed at the time.

Can you

> absolutely

> know this?

Yes.

And where does your mind travel when you believe

> this?

Not very far. It just " is " . Its not something I have to think

about, unless I'm trying to explain it .

> Apparently it travels to the rest of what you wrote.

Again, explanation takes words and words are much slower than

concept. All that I wrote below takes me about 30 seconds to

conceptualize and an hour to write - lol!!

Love,

Lyn

> xxxooo

> judy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi Steve

> >

> >    Do you wage a war within yourself as a result?  Reality

> is

> > based on " agreement " .  Axioms are based on agreements that

> are

> > much more solid and more difficult to disprove - like we

> are

> > " all life " sort of thing.  The sun shines, etc. 

> >

> >    The moment you chose your body (more or less) you agreed

> to

> > having identities.  Super Ego, Ego and Id were ways to

> describe

> > the survival mechanisms for the chosen body, culture, etc.,

> to

> > live in.  I'm not expert in this area, but from reading a

> few

> > things, this is what I gathered. 

> >

> >    Knowing when you are playing in the " game " or the

> stories

> > that you and others create is one thing and being able to

> step

> > out of these areas and look objectively is another. 

> >

> >    Bad and good is, in my opinion, related to the survival

> of

> > the identities including bodies and other material things.

> > Without any material or borders, etc., you have no survival

> > because it already " is " .  You can't kill life because its

> > already there.  You can kill off identities, bodies, and

> > beliefs, but you can't kill life itself.

> >

> >    So, because all of us can't die, we make up lots of

> things

> > and make them so " real " that it seems to die, like body

> death,

> > emotional death, etc. 

> >

> >    So, it depends on what games and stories you wish to be

> a

> > part of.  You've already chosen having a body (I assume, or

> how

> > the heck are you typing to play " in " the game of the

> material

> > world.  With that in mind, then, its a matter of what is

> best

> > for you personally and how it would effect others around

> you, at

> > least to some degree.   

> >

> >    An " illusion " is something that most others seem to

> think is

> > not in agreement with what most of the people are thinking.

> > Like seeing a red table and others don't see a red table,

> > therefore you are in an " illusion " . 

> >

> >    I don't consider that identities are illusions, I

> consider

> > them as realities because they are real to yourself and to

> > others.  I consider the material world a reality because so

> many

> > others agree that its here. 

> >

> >    To have a body, have identities, see the sun, feel the

> warmth

> > and cold of the climates, see the earth and feel the wind,

> and

> > then say its all an illusion, is an illusion in and of

> itself to

> > my way of thinking.  Its an incorrect use of a good word

> .

> > All of what we see in the material world is a reality and

> how we

> > go about survival with our identities, etc., is a reality. 

> Its

> > agreed upon.

> >

> >    You get to choose what type of story you wish to play

> and

> > when the day comes you don't wish to play any longer, you

> get to

> > choose how to end it for yourself.  You don't even have to

> stay

> > within this dimension . 

> >

> >    If you want to play reindeer games, then you have to

> learn

> > the rules.  If you want to change those rules, you have to

> get

> > other's agreement before you can play with different

> rules. 

> >

> >

> > Lyn

> > --- Steve Daily wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Lyn,

> > >

> > > You said: " I don't find anything wrong with being an

> > > individual, its

> > > the degrees of it that a person has to watch for in my

> > > opinion. "

> > >

> > > Yes, that is exactly what the Ego would have us believe. 

> That

> > > a

> > > little separation is not bad and that there is a

> heirarchy to

> > > separation.  I personally do not believe that is true. 

> For

> > > me,

> > > separation is separation and when I see individuals or

> can

> > > name

> > > individuals, it means that I am not dealing with Reality,

> but

> > > an

> > > illusion created by my own mind and I am confused (and I

> am

> > > most of

> > > the time).

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >