Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 In a message dated 12/20/2004 9:42:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, tamar_fa@... writes: Hi jeremy I had some more toughts about the work you did. I think that the underline belief that pops out from the work you did on your brother is and correct me if I am wrong: It is possible for one person to hurt another well, you would'nt be wrong about this. this belief is definately there for me! You belive that your brother's booly behavior hearts your mother Your mother is a hopless victim to your brother's behavior yes, you are absolutely correct. Please don't think that I don't sympathies with your pain about this matter, I do because I also have this belife that it is possible for one person to hurt another But than, I recalled one of 's sayings: " No one can hurt another. It's not possible. " " Everything I do to harm another can only harm myself. " i find that i get annoyed with -isms. which does not mean they are not true! Maybe, it is a good diraction to do the work on " My brother hurt's my mother " , ext... I just think loudly Does it help? Tami yes, Tami, it does help and i thank you. i'll do it now! MY BROTHER'S BEHAVIOR IS HURTFUL TO MY MOM. TRUE? i feel it must be, but she dosen't complain about it. she seems to be much more understanding about him than i am! HOW DO I REACT WHEN I HOLD THIS BELIEF? i get really mad, and feel saddened by it too. i wish reality were different, and i want to controll the way my brother thinks, acts and feels. and even though i know i can't, there is an impulse to do it anyway. this is very stressfull. i can see a very good reason to drop this belief. WHO WOULD I BE WITHOUT THIS BELIEF? well, alot less in *thier* business for one! free to let them play out thier dramas without trying to munipulate the outcome of it. just watching as things unfold the way they are going to unfold. i think it would be alot of weight off of my shoulders. TA's my brothers behavior is not hurtful to my mom. could be just as true. she does'nt complain. my mom's behavior is hurtful to my brother. this is what he claims. i don't like the feeling this gives me. my brother's behavior is hurtful to me. this seems to be true in my mind. my behavior is hurtful to me. i find this as well. my thinking is hurtful to me. this is very true. thank you Tami for the gentle push. love, jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Tami: " No one can hurt another. It's not possible. " " Everything I do to harm another can only harm myself. " jeremy: i find that i get annoyed with -isms. which does not mean they are not true Hi Jeremey I can totally identify with your annoyment, Sometimes, when I here her I think, on what palnnet she think she is living on? Let say I am in great struggle, because I belive that I need more money, to support myself And my bank manager will give me all the proofs I need that it is true than, I hear : " How do I know I don't need more money? I don't have it! " Sometimes it is very annoying for me I feel that she is unkind and doesn't understand me!!! But than since I am not happy with my condition I try to open myself up to some new idea could she be right? Could it be that I don't need more money? Could it be that I don't need a loving ralationship? These are not my expirience yet But quoting her helps me to to open myself to new ideas She seem to be content with her stories I am not So, I listen Love Tami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Hi A little comment here. Does anyone actually know personally to the point where they know her own problems, etc.? I don't know about you, but basically, I've met quite a few " founders " of processes. Some are happier than others. But each one does have their own set of problems, even if different from ours. These people " are " human. I want you to know that its soooo different giving other people sessions than living an everyday life, day by day in your own life. Giving sessions is a skill, an art, a technique. Using processes on oneself is also the same thing. And while a person does change after awhile when using certain techniques, etc., its always easier to tell other people one's own experience when they have had a " spectating " or meditative or stepped out of their story, moment and more or less connect it to your story - or at least you might think they're doing that. The bottom line is if something doesn't ring for you or itsn't true for you, then it isn't true. If by chance or " doing " you happen to get into the same " field " of belief as the person who is telling you their viewpoint, then of course you'll relate and it can become true for you. If someone can't believe what someone else says, and yet it looks like a possibility somewhere in the back of their mind, then perhaps they can just say " hey, that's possible " and leave it at that. Like spaceships - I haven't seen one yet, but its possible . Love, Lyn --- Tami wrote: > > Tami: > " No one can hurt another. It's not possible. " > " Everything I do to harm another can only harm myself. " > > > > jeremy: > i find that i get annoyed with -isms. > which does not mean they are not true > > Hi Jeremey > I can totally identify with your annoyment, > Sometimes, when I here her > I think, > on what palnnet she think she is living on? > > Let say > I am in great struggle, > because I belive that > I need more money, to support myself > And my bank manager will give me > all the proofs I need that it is true > > than, I hear : > " How do I know I don't need more money? > I don't have it! " > > Sometimes it is very annoying for me > I feel that she is unkind and doesn't understand me!!! > > But than > since I am not happy with my condition > I try to open myself up to some new idea > could she be right? > Could it be that I don't need more money? > Could it be that I don't need a loving ralationship? > > These are not my expirience yet > > But quoting her > helps me to > to open myself to new ideas > > She seem to be content with her stories > I am not > So, I listen > > > Love > Tami > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Dear Tami, I like what you say. > Tami: >> " No one can hurt another. It's not possible. " >> " Everything I do to harm another can only harm myself. " > > jeremy: >>> i find that i get annoyed with -isms. >>> which does not mean they are not true > > Hi Jeremey > I can totally identify with your annoyment, > Sometimes, when I here her > I think, > on what palnnet she think she is living on? Yes, it can sound that way, sometimes. And I like your honesty. > Let say > I am in great struggle, > because I belive that > I need more money, to support myself > And my bank manager will give me > all the proofs I need that it is true > > than, I hear : > " How do I know I don't need more money? > I don't have it! " Well, what does it mean that you *need* it? You can't live without it? You won't *survive* if you don't get it? That your existance is threatened? Isn't that how " I need " feels? Everyone may tell you that you need more money. It's a great belief, and you get a lot of people to agree on that one. also says, that if you wanted more money, you'd get three jobs, or four. And if that isn't enough, you'd get five. And since you don't, there seems to be something more important to you, that having more money. You don't only don't need more money, you don't even *want* more money. Because you want what you have. And that's *true* wealth. Only a thought could keep you from knowing that. I have heard her ask, if any one could find one place in his life, where he did not have enough. Of anything. And I have not heard *anyone* - including myself - finding that place. Love, > Sometimes it is very annoying for me > I feel that she is unkind and doesn't understand me!!! > > But than > since I am not happy with my condition > I try to open myself up to some new idea > could she be right? > Could it be that I don't need more money? > Could it be that I don't need a loving ralationship? > > These are not my expirience yet > > But quoting her > helps me to > to open myself to new ideas > > She seem to be content with her stories > I am not > So, I listen > > > Love > Tami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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