Re: spiritual teachers/Andy - really!

[Guest guest]

Andy,

Thank you for that book title...I LOVED IT and laughed out loud. SSoooo true.

love,

catherine

Andy wrote:

In my experience and Amrit are not storiless...

*****What evidence do you see that this is so? What evidence do you

have that has said that she is without stories? I'm curious

about your information as I've never read or heard her assert that

she is without stories. I do know that she has said " [My] happiness

is all a projection. " (p. 239, LWI)

When you claim to be storiless - there's a problem.

*****For sure! Using language, there may not be a way out: even the

claim of being storyless is a story. By defintion () a story is

any thought, or sequence of thoughts, that we convince ourselves are

real. " Stories are the untested, uninvestigated theories that tell us

what things mean. " (p. 5, LWI) Reminds me of the title of a book by

a zen teacher, Wu Kwang: " Open Mouth, Already a Mistake. " :-)))

[Guest guest]

> Andy wrote:

> Reminds me of the title of a book by

> a zen teacher, Wu Kwang: " Open Mouth, Already a Mistake. " :-)))

> catherine wrote:

> Andy,

>

> Thank you for that book title...I LOVED IT and laughed out loud. Soooo

> true.

>

> love,

> catherine

If one profoundly got the truth of the book title would not one be silent?

[Guest guest]

Jan,

You're probably right. and? It's redundant to say that I'm not there yet..and

I said it anyway!! Still loved that title, still brought a smile, and still

seems true from over here in my confused, unprofound corner of the world!

cheers

catherine

jan wrote:

> Andy wrote:

> Reminds me of the title of a book by

> a zen teacher, Wu Kwang: " Open Mouth, Already a Mistake. " :-)))

> catherine wrote:

> Andy,

>

> Thank you for that book title...I LOVED IT and laughed out loud. Soooo

> true.

>

> love,

> catherine

If one profoundly got the truth of the book title would not one be silent?

[Guest guest]

In my experience and Amrit are not storiless...

*****What evidence do you see that this is so? What evidence do you

have that has said that she is without stories? I'm curious

about your information as I've never read or heard her assert that

she is without stories. I do know that she has said " [My] happiness

is all a projection. " (p. 239, LWI)

When you claim to be storiless - there's a problem.

*****For sure! Using language, there may not be a way out: even the

claim of being storyless is a story. By defintion () a story is

any thought, or sequence of thoughts, that we convince ourselves are

real. " Stories are the untested, uninvestigated theories that tell us

what things mean. " (p. 5, LWI) Reminds me of the title of a book by

a zen teacher, Wu Kwang: " Open Mouth, Already a Mistake. " :-)))

[Guest guest]

> Andy,

>

> Thank you for that book title...I LOVED IT and laughed out loud.

Soooo

> true.

>

> love,

> catherine

If one profoundly got the truth of the book title would not one be

silent?

*****If so, then all the famous, nonsilent teachers, never

really " profoundly go tthe truth of the book title, " eh? Not

Jesus, not Buddha, not Lao Tzu, not Mohammed.

The book's title points to the Absolute, and I agree with you Jan,

it IS profound. But it is not the whole story. As the Sandokai

says, " Ordinary life fits the absolute as a box and its lid/The

absolute works together with the relative/like two arrows meeting

in mid air. " Both polarities coexist simultaneously, interacting

and interweaving. So even when the truth of the book title is

gotten -- profoundly -- talking may ensue, if that particular

bodymind mechanism is so moved to articulate. I doubt there are any

rules to how a bodymind mechanism will respond upon getting the

truth of the book title, but certainly silence is one option, as is

non-silence.