this summer

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hi!

today I´m back to this list after a long break during this summer

of 2004.

But while I had remained silent, I have been reading many of

your posts here for let´s say the last three months.

sometimes I asked myself what the hell are you talking about

and sometimes I noticed that I continued to be fascinated by

many of the philosophical topics that some of you are

discussing, but for a while I didn´t feel to be ready to decide

whether I should go on being a member of this list or not.

And today I still feel - and I´m sure that may sound strange to

many of you - that I still don´t know at the moment

what meaning do I give in my life to " The Work " , as it is

addressed by you with much awe.

I remember sometimes reading your posts when my reaction

was like this: I see there are Christians in this world, and

Muslims and Buddhists and so in, and now there are also

-ists! And I don´t want to belong to any of those groups!

But then I told myself to stop for a moment, maybe I tried let´s

say to avoid this kind of reacting too quickly - I know you are

going to call it " my story " ! - and I noticed that I didn´t get caught

into that trap of how others should think or handle things and so

on ... and then I perceived my reactions getting more calm and

soothe, and that felt very much ok.

And now .... still trying to find out what the work did for me (but

there is no hurry, however :-)))) I like to recall my experiences of

this summer and I want to share that with you, or with those of

you who are interested.

I remember when I signed in the list in June of this year, I had

posts from Tami and nne, from , from , Steve

D. and . And all of them I liked very much and these

posts were very precious to me, and so I would like to thank

them all.

Then I went to Italy for holiday and this was just a unique

experience concerning the concept of LWI !!!

It was just great, I can hardly tell, just let me try in some awkward

words.

I had the feeling that for the first time in my life I was in absolute

agreement with what as happening to me. I felt to be able to

welcome each and every single incident, be it a " good " one or a

less " good " one. I was at peace with everything. There were

people friendly and nice and there were others, not so nice, but I

could welcome them as well. There was not a single moment

throughout the whole of this journey when I noticed myself

wanting to " change " things or judging them unsatisfactory as

they happened.

And I really was very much aware that everything that happened

on my way, it was happening " for " me, not " to " me!

I was just witnessing. I was making decisions, though, but at the

same time I felt that everything was already decided for me to

happen - maybe a long time ago (before there was time!).

And I had no problem with making decisions and loving the

outcome of it.

Well, on coming home I said, you see, I got it! That´s it, I got it!

That´s the clue what they all are taking about in this list,

discussing " reality " on a very high philosophical level, and

" peace " and " not being separated " , and others ... Apart from

discussing it - and - !!! - without asking the four questions (or

eight?) and filling in sheets three times a week or so, I had

experienced it: Loving what is, it had become my reality!

Great!

Amazing, wonderful!

Today I read in one of the recent postings (Andy? ? Its

getting kind of confusing, those long lasting dialoging with Matt,

for instance, but I succeeded in reading parts of it) and there I

came across some description that I liked to read very much,

saying " ...It´s not making the waves all nice and smooth; it´s

learning to ride the waves and, hopefully, enjoy the ride. :-)))

That´s exactly what I experienced during my trip.

So, on coming home, I realized I could compare this journey with

my whole life, with life in genenral, and I understand, that it is a

symbol that was offered to me.

And then I also experienced that in many cases I don´t feel the

need to ask those four questions of BK, because when I feel

something bothering me, I can see very soon that " that is not

true " !!! (Can I really know that this is true? - No! Finished.)

And some of you has put it like that: ... it ´s like having that " built

in " facility that can be triggered quickly .....

That´s what I am experiencing many times by now.

So I just want to say hello, say that I miss you, I´m thiniking of you

often, , nne, Tami and ( missing you, how

are you?)..... and I ´ll never forget this summer of 2004, whenit all

began (maybe?) with my logging in to this list .... :

Loving what is.

And now I´m waiting for sombody to tell me how I should still do

the work maybe with more distinction ( I am serious!). Some of

you to tell me what I may be missing when I´m not doing it

according to the rule or so ... !

Well, I see, in the moment I just seem not to know what I really

want to hear, but what I know is, that I sure will appreciate what

you are saying!

love,

Rosemarie

[Guest guest]

Today I read in one of the recent postings (Andy? ? Its

getting kind of confusing, those long lasting dialoging with Matt,

for instance, but I succeeded in reading parts of it) and there I

came across some description that I liked to read very much,

saying " ...It´s not making the waves all nice and smooth; it´s

learning to ride the waves and, hopefully, enjoy the ride. :-)))

That´s exactly what I experienced during my trip.

*****That's all there is. There is nothing more to do. Now go out

and play with the other kids. The world has become your sandbox.

So, on coming home, I realized I could compare this journey with my

whole life, with life in genenral, and I understand, that it is a

symbol that was offered to me. And then I also experienced that in

many cases I don´t feel the need to ask those four questions of BK,

because when I feel something bothering me, I can see very soon

that " that is not true " !!! (Can I really know that this is true? -

No! Finished.) And some of you has put it like that: ... it ´s like

having that " built in " facility that can be triggered quickly .....

That´s what I am experiencing many times by now.

*****The Work is the ending of the need to *do* The Work. And yet,

when called upon, it is done. Sometimes, perhaps, consciously,

willfully; other times, running on automatic pilot, in the

background, like an unnoticed computer program.

So I just want to say hello, say that I miss you, I´m thiniking of you

often, , nne, Tami and ( missing you, how are

you?)..... and I ´ll never forget this summer of 2004, when it all

began (maybe?) with my logging in to this list .... : Loving what is.

And now I´m waiting for sombody to tell me how I should still do

the work maybe with more distinction ( I am serious!). Some of

you to tell me what I may be missing when I´m not doing it

according to the rule or so ... !

*****And if there is a care about what others say, you aren't there

yet. ;-))) That *doesn't* mean you don't listen to what others say.

If the drive is present to listen, to hear, listening and hearing

will happen. My comment is a pointing to those attachments which

rile up the waters of thought-emotion. As is said in the Faith Mind

sutra: " If the true meaning of things is not understood/The mind's

essential peace is disturbed to no avail. "

[Guest guest]

rosemarie wrote:

I had the feeling that for the first time in my life I was in absolute

agreement with what as happening to me. I felt to be able to

welcome each and every single incident, be it a " good " one or a

less " good " one. I was at peace with everything. There were

people friendly and nice and there were others, not so nice, but I

could welcome them as well. There was not a single moment

throughout the whole of this journey when I noticed myself

wanting to " change " things or judging them unsatisfactory as

they happened.

Hi Rosemarie-

Your post was so puppy-like - we're all interested in Rosemarie's

summer - I like that...

When you write I welcome the " good " and " not-so-good " incidents in

your life - this sounds like you still harbor special love and special

hate relationships and agreements. When life is simply incident after

incident without the label of good/not-so-good - then you don't need

to do the work. You asked for specifics on how to use the work in

your life - start from what you label a not-so-good incident and

dialog with it until you remove the perceptions that keep you from

seeing it as it is - just an incident...that you appreciate and are

grateful for having.

Blessings - Jan

[Guest guest]

Today I read in one of the recent postings (Andy? ? Its getting

kind of confusing, those long lasting dialoging with Matt, for instance, but

I succeeded in reading parts of it) and there I came across some description

that I liked to read very much, saying " ...It´s not making the waves all

nice and smooth; it´s learning to ride the waves and, hopefully, enjoy the

ride. :-))) That´s exactly what I experienced during my trip.

*****That's all there is. There is nothing more to do. Now go out

and play with the other kids. The world has become your sandbox.

---I had a vision of someone standing on the sea shore waist deep in water

trying to " smooth the waves " and you spoil it with a metaphor about a " sand

box " just as I hear my cat scraping around in her " cat box " . As long as

we're talking about water though, I'd make sure the ride you enjoy is not a

big swirling one that ends down a drain somewhere. Just a caution...

So, on coming home, I realized I could compare this journey with my

whole life, with life in genenral, and I understand, that it is a symbol

that was offered to me. And then I also experienced that in

many cases I don´t feel the need to ask those four questions of BK,

because when I feel something bothering me, I can see very soon

that " that is not true " !!! (Can I really know that this is true? -

No! Finished.) And some of you has put it like that: ... it ´s like

having that " built in " facility that can be triggered quickly ..... That´s

what I am experiencing many times by now.

*****The Work is the ending of the need to *do* The Work. And yet,

when called upon, it is done. Sometimes, perhaps, consciously,

willfully; other times, running on automatic pilot, in the

background, like an unnoticed computer program.

---We've been touching on that lately here, sometimes in those " complicated

posts " .

So I just want to say hello, say that I miss you, I´m thiniking of you

often, , nne, Tami and ( missing you, how are

you?)..... and I ´ll never forget this summer of 2004, when it all began

(maybe?) with my logging in to this list .... : Loving what is. And now I´m

waiting for sombody to tell me how I should still do the work maybe with

more distinction ( I am serious!). Some of you to tell me what I may be

missing when I´m not doing it according to the rule or so ... !

*****And if there is a care about what others say, you aren't there

yet. ;-))) That *doesn't* mean you don't listen to what others say.

If the drive is present to listen, to hear, listening and hearing

will happen. My comment is a pointing to those attachments which

rile up the waters of thought-emotion. As is said in the Faith Mind

sutra: " If the true meaning of things is not understood/The mind's

essential peace is disturbed to no avail. "

---Or " If you don’t get it, go back to sleep, maybe it will come to you

later " .

---P.S., Don't mind me, I'm Andy's self appointed heckler, and he's my self

appointed " thought mechanic " , and we do " word paint ball " occasionally. I

got a lot of " peace " from both your parts in this exchange. You guys have a

comforting sense of " Self " that's infectious. Thanks...both of you.

[Guest guest]

> And now I´m waiting for sombody to tell me how I should still do

> the work maybe with more distinction ( I am serious!). Some of

> you to tell me what I may be missing when I´m not doing it

> according to the rule or so ... !

> Well, I see, in the moment I just seem not to know what I really

> want to hear, but what I know is, that I sure will appreciate what

> you are saying!

>

> love,

> Rosemarie

Dear Rosemarie,

I'm am so happy to hear that we were all with you (at least in your

mind) in Italy! Cool!

I am not aware of any rules about doing the Work with more

distinction, either.

I do know that the pettier I get about what I see *out there* is

helpful for me.

Also,I find journaling to give voice to my mind without being

spiritual or kind has been helpful too.

Love, nne

[Guest guest]

I shouldn't write posts before I'm awake...I'm am stupid...

Matt, when you think about your Dad calling you stupid in your memory,

how do you see him now? I can hear my Daddy calling me birdbrain like

it was yesterday, but I hear the love behind his words (now).

love nne

>

> Dear Rosemarie,

>

> I'm am so happy to hear that we were all with you (at least in your

> mind) in Italy! Cool!

>

> I am not aware of any rules about doing the Work with more

> distinction, either.

>

> I do know that the pettier I get about what I see *out there* is

> helpful for me.

>

> Also,I find journaling to give voice to my mind without being

> spiritual or kind has been helpful too.

>

> Love, nne

[Guest guest]

I shouldn't write posts before I'm awake...I'm am stupid...

Matt, when you think about your Dad calling you stupid in your memory, how

do you see him now? I can hear my Daddy calling me birdbrain like it was

yesterday, but I hear the love behind his words (now).

love nne

---The other night my father called me and helped me figure out what was

going on with my car. He does that a lot, because he's my Father. Today,

when I think of him calling me stupid, I understand it to be simply an

observation. With the information we have, we make our " best guess " and then

go from there when we share what we observe. I think I feel the same way you

do, yes...I think I do " hear the love " .