Re: hope as a barrier to enlightenment ? Steve

[Guest guest]

Steve

I am glad you are back

I havn't seen you here lately

:-) :-)

I am happy

that you understood my question

because it was hard for me to explaine what I meant.

Please

clarify my again

could it be

that in a way

hopping (that things would be defrent than what they are)

prevants us from being in a loving what is state of mind?

When I have no partner

and I am upset

I hope to have a partner soon

my mind tells the story

that I would feel better the minute I have a partner

But

IF

I have no partner

and I don't hope

I am desparate

I don't belive thing would open up for me

( laying on the floor)

Maybe

at this point

my mind is empty from the storries about the future

(in the future thing might be better)

What happens at that point?

No hope

No where to run to

Steve

give me you story

what can happen now?

[Guest guest]

Dear Tami,

please explain what 'being enlightened' means for you.

Thank you,

Am 20.12.2004 um 22:14 schrieb Tami:

>

>

> Steve

> I am glad you are back

> I havn't seen you here lately

> :-) :-)

>

> I am happy

> that you understood my question

> because it was hard for me to explaine what I meant.

>

> Please

> clarify my again

> could it be

> that in a way

> hopping (that things would be defrent than what they are)

> prevants us from being in a loving what is state of mind?

>

> When I have no partner

> and I am upset

> I hope to have a partner soon

>

> my mind tells the story

> that I would feel better the minute I have a partner

>

> But

>

> IF

>

> I have no partner

> and I don't hope

> I am desparate

> I don't belive thing would open up for me

> ( laying on the floor)

> Maybe

> at this point

> my mind is empty from the storries about the future

> (in the future thing might be better)

>

> What happens at that point?

>

> No hope

>

> No where to run to

>

> Steve

> give me you story

> what can happen now?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

for me

'being enlightened'

is loving what is

Tami

> Dear Tami,

>

> please explain what 'being enlightened' means for you.

>

> Thank you,

>

>

> Am 20.12.2004 um 22:14 schrieb Tami:

>

> >

> >

> > Steve

> > I am glad you are back

> > I havn't seen you here lately

> > :-) :-)

> >

> > I am happy

> > that you understood my question

> > because it was hard for me to explaine what I meant.

> >

> > Please

> > clarify my again

> > could it be

> > that in a way

> > hopping (that things would be defrent than what they are)

> > prevants us from being in a loving what is state of mind?

> >

> > When I have no partner

> > and I am upset

> > I hope to have a partner soon

> >

> > my mind tells the story

> > that I would feel better the minute I have a partner

> >

> > But

> >

> > IF

> >

> > I have no partner

> > and I don't hope

> > I am desparate

> > I don't belive thing would open up for me

> > ( laying on the floor)

> > Maybe

> > at this point

> > my mind is empty from the storries about the future

> > (in the future thing might be better)

> >

> > What happens at that point?

> >

> > No hope

> >

> > No where to run to

> >

> > Steve

> > give me you story

> > what can happen now?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tami:

You asked for a re-clarification of " how hoping (that things would be

different than what they are prevents us from being in a " loving what

is " state of mind? "

I will try. :-)

You gave the following example:

Tami said: " When I have no partner and I am upset, I hope to have a

partner soon. My mind tells the story that I would feel better the

minute I have a partner. But, IF I have no partner and I don't hope

(for one) I am desparate.

I don't belive anything would open up for me (like laying on

the floor).

Maybe, at this point my mind is empty from the stories about the

future (in the future things might be better).

What happens at that point? No hope, No where to run to.

Steve, give me your story about what can happen now? "

My story is:

If your mind is TRULY " empty of stories " , you have no problem!

Everything is fine just the way it is. You are in perfect peace.

You are not separate from anything and can ot experience

aloneness/need/want, etc. In that moment, you are what is

called, " enlightened " .

The moment you have the thought that " You need a partner " , you lost

that " perfect peace of mind " and are no longer " enlightened " . Now,

if you follow that thought " You need a partner " with the question, Is

it true and you experience laughter at the absurdity of the lie, then

you are right back in the peaceful state. If you do not experience

laughter, but do experience fear, then you are back in the dream and

will stay there until the next time you can " give up hope " .

I " hope " that this helps! :-)

Blessings, Steve D.

>

> Steve

> I am glad you are back

> I havn't seen you here lately

> :-) :-)

>

> I am happy

> that you understood my question

> because it was hard for me to explaine what I meant.

>

> Please

> clarify my again

> could it be

> that in a way

> hopping (that things would be defrent than what they are)

> prevants us from being in a loving what is state of mind?

>

> When I have no partner

> and I am upset

> I hope to have a partner soon

>

> my mind tells the story

> that I would feel better the minute I have a partner

>

> But

>

> IF

>

> I have no partner

> and I don't hope

> I am desparate

> I don't belive thing would open up for me

> ( laying on the floor)

> Maybe

> at this point

> my mind is empty from the storries about the future

> (in the future thing might be better)

>

> What happens at that point?

>

> No hope

>

> No where to run to

>

> Steve

> give me you story

> what can happen now?

[Guest guest]

Thank you

I enjoy reading your stories :-)

They match mine

Love

Tami

> Dear Tami:

>

> You asked for a re-clarification of " how hoping (that things would

be

> different than what they are prevents us from being in a " loving

what

> is " state of mind? "

>

> I will try. :-)

>

> You gave the following example:

>

> Tami said: " When I have no partner and I am upset, I hope to have

a

> partner soon. My mind tells the story that I would feel better

the

> minute I have a partner. But, IF I have no partner and I don't

hope

> (for one) I am desparate.

> I don't belive anything would open up for me (like laying on

> the floor).

> Maybe, at this point my mind is empty from the stories about the

> future (in the future things might be better).

> What happens at that point? No hope, No where to run to.

> Steve, give me your story about what can happen now? "

>

> My story is:

>

> If your mind is TRULY " empty of stories " , you have no problem!

> Everything is fine just the way it is. You are in perfect peace.

> You are not separate from anything and can ot experience

> aloneness/need/want, etc. In that moment, you are what is

> called, " enlightened " .

>

> The moment you have the thought that " You need a partner " , you

lost

> that " perfect peace of mind " and are no longer " enlightened " .

Now,

> if you follow that thought " You need a partner " with the question,

Is

> it true and you experience laughter at the absurdity of the lie,

then

> you are right back in the peaceful state. If you do not

experience

> laughter, but do experience fear, then you are back in the dream

and

> will stay there until the next time you can " give up hope " .

>

> I " hope " that this helps! :-)

>

> Blessings, Steve D.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Steve

> > I am glad you are back

> > I havn't seen you here lately

> > :-) :-)

> >

> > I am happy

> > that you understood my question

> > because it was hard for me to explaine what I meant.

> >

> > Please

> > clarify my again

> > could it be

> > that in a way

> > hopping (that things would be defrent than what they are)

> > prevants us from being in a loving what is state of mind?

> >

> > When I have no partner

> > and I am upset

> > I hope to have a partner soon

> >

> > my mind tells the story

> > that I would feel better the minute I have a partner

> >

> > But

> >

> > IF

> >

> > I have no partner

> > and I don't hope

> > I am desparate

> > I don't belive thing would open up for me

> > ( laying on the floor)

> > Maybe

> > at this point

> > my mind is empty from the storries about the future

> > (in the future thing might be better)

> >

> > What happens at that point?

> >

> > No hope

> >

> > No where to run to

> >

> > Steve

> > give me you story

> > what can happen now?

[Guest guest]

Dear Tami,

You are welcome, dear.

Isn't it fun when someone else's story matches yours!!!

nne was telling the same story, but it evidently did not get as

good of a match in the " search engine " of your mind. :-)

says " My story matches your story = love at first sight. "

Love, Steve D.

> > >

> > > Steve

> > > I am glad you are back

> > > I havn't seen you here lately

> > > :-) :-)

> > >

> > > I am happy

> > > that you understood my question

> > > because it was hard for me to explaine what I meant.

> > >

> > > Please

> > > clarify my again

> > > could it be

> > > that in a way

> > > hopping (that things would be defrent than what they are)

> > > prevants us from being in a loving what is state of mind?

> > >

> > > When I have no partner

> > > and I am upset

> > > I hope to have a partner soon

> > >

> > > my mind tells the story

> > > that I would feel better the minute I have a partner

> > >

> > > But

> > >

> > > IF

> > >

> > > I have no partner

> > > and I don't hope

> > > I am desparate

> > > I don't belive thing would open up for me

> > > ( laying on the floor)

> > > Maybe

> > > at this point

> > > my mind is empty from the storries about the future

> > > (in the future thing might be better)

> > >

> > > What happens at that point?

> > >

> > > No hope

> > >

> > > No where to run to

> > >

> > > Steve

> > > give me you story

> > > what can happen now?

[Guest guest]

In that case, Steve

I guess

I am in love with you

:-)

> Dear Tami,

>

> You are welcome, dear.

>

> Isn't it fun when someone else's story matches yours!!!

>

> nne was telling the same story, but it evidently did not get

as

> good of a match in the " search engine " of your mind. :-)

>

> says " My story matches your story = love at first sight. "

>

> Love, Steve D.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Steve

> > > > I am glad you are back

> > > > I havn't seen you here lately

> > > > :-) :-)

> > > >

> > > > I am happy

> > > > that you understood my question

> > > > because it was hard for me to explaine what I meant.

> > > >

> > > > Please

> > > > clarify my again

> > > > could it be

> > > > that in a way

> > > > hopping (that things would be defrent than what they are)

> > > > prevants us from being in a loving what is state of mind?

> > > >

> > > > When I have no partner

> > > > and I am upset

> > > > I hope to have a partner soon

> > > >

> > > > my mind tells the story

> > > > that I would feel better the minute I have a partner

> > > >

> > > > But

> > > >

> > > > IF

> > > >

> > > > I have no partner

> > > > and I don't hope

> > > > I am desparate

> > > > I don't belive thing would open up for me

> > > > ( laying on the floor)

> > > > Maybe

> > > > at this point

> > > > my mind is empty from the storries about the future

> > > > (in the future thing might be better)

> > > >

> > > > What happens at that point?

> > > >

> > > > No hope

> > > >

> > > > No where to run to

> > > >

> > > > Steve

> > > > give me you story

> > > > what can happen now?

[Guest guest]

Dear Tami,

Of course you are, sweetheart! And, so is everyone else, but all of

them have not yet realized it!

Love, Steve D.

> > > > >

> > > > > Steve

> > > > > I am glad you are back

> > > > > I havn't seen you here lately

> > > > > :-) :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I am happy

> > > > > that you understood my question

> > > > > because it was hard for me to explaine what I meant.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please

> > > > > clarify my again

> > > > > could it be

> > > > > that in a way

> > > > > hopping (that things would be defrent than what they are)

> > > > > prevants us from being in a loving what is state of mind?

> > > > >

> > > > > When I have no partner

> > > > > and I am upset

> > > > > I hope to have a partner soon

> > > > >

> > > > > my mind tells the story

> > > > > that I would feel better the minute I have a partner

> > > > >

> > > > > But

> > > > >

> > > > > IF

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no partner

> > > > > and I don't hope

> > > > > I am desparate

> > > > > I don't belive thing would open up for me

> > > > > ( laying on the floor)

> > > > > Maybe

> > > > > at this point

> > > > > my mind is empty from the storries about the future

> > > > > (in the future thing might be better)

> > > > >

> > > > > What happens at that point?

> > > > >

> > > > > No hope

> > > > >

> > > > > No where to run to

> > > > >

> > > > > Steve

> > > > > give me you story

> > > > > what can happen now?

[Guest guest]

>

>

> for me

> 'being enlightened'

> is loving what is

> Tami

Thank you.

You ask if 'hope' could be a barrier from loving 'what is'.

Well,

hope is a story of the future.

Any story of the past or the future you focus on, keeps you from

experiencing the present.

I wouldn't call it a barrier, though. Maybe a distraction. Just to skip

the boredom.

Love,

>> Dear Tami,

>>

>> please explain what 'being enlightened' means for you.

>>

>> Thank you,

>>

>>

>> Am 20.12.2004 um 22:14 schrieb Tami:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Steve

>>> I am glad you are back

>>> I havn't seen you here lately

>>> :-) :-)

>>>

>>> I am happy

>>> that you understood my question

>>> because it was hard for me to explaine what I meant.

>>>

>>> Please

>>> clarify my again

>>> could it be

>>> that in a way

>>> hopping (that things would be defrent than what they are)

>>> prevants us from being in a loving what is state of mind?

>>>

>>> When I have no partner

>>> and I am upset

>>> I hope to have a partner soon

>>>

>>> my mind tells the story

>>> that I would feel better the minute I have a partner

>>>

>>> But

>>>

>>> IF

>>>

>>> I have no partner

>>> and I don't hope

>>> I am desparate

>>> I don't belive thing would open up for me

>>> ( laying on the floor)

>>> Maybe

>>> at this point

>>> my mind is empty from the storries about the future

>>> (in the future thing might be better)

>>>

>>> What happens at that point?

>>>

>>> No hope

>>>

>>> No where to run to

>>>

>>> Steve

>>> give me you story

>>> what can happen now?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Thank you

That is what I came to see also about hope

Tami

> >

> > for me

> > 'being enlightened'

> > is loving what is

> > Tami

> Thank you.

>

> You ask if 'hope' could be a barrier from loving 'what is'.

>

> Well,

>

> hope is a story of the future.

>

> Any story of the past or the future you focus on, keeps you from

> experiencing the present.

>

> I wouldn't call it a barrier, though. Maybe a distraction. Just to

skip

> the boredom.

>

> Love,

>

>

> >> Dear Tami,

> >>

> >> please explain what 'being enlightened' means for you.

> >>

> >> Thank you,

> >>

> >>

> >> Am 20.12.2004 um 22:14 schrieb Tami:

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Steve

> >>> I am glad you are back

> >>> I havn't seen you here lately

> >>> :-) :-)

> >>>

> >>> I am happy

> >>> that you understood my question

> >>> because it was hard for me to explaine what I meant.

> >>>

> >>> Please

> >>> clarify my again

> >>> could it be

> >>> that in a way

> >>> hopping (that things would be defrent than what they are)

> >>> prevants us from being in a loving what is state of mind?

> >>>

> >>> When I have no partner

> >>> and I am upset

> >>> I hope to have a partner soon

> >>>

> >>> my mind tells the story

> >>> that I would feel better the minute I have a partner

> >>>

> >>> But

> >>>

> >>> IF

> >>>

> >>> I have no partner

> >>> and I don't hope

> >>> I am desparate

> >>> I don't belive thing would open up for me

> >>> ( laying on the floor)

> >>> Maybe

> >>> at this point

> >>> my mind is empty from the storries about the future

> >>> (in the future thing might be better)

> >>>

> >>> What happens at that point?

> >>>

> >>> No hope

> >>>

> >>> No where to run to

> >>>

> >>> Steve

> >>> give me you story

> >>> what can happen now?

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>