RE: RE:Dawn, one more thing

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

I forgot to add one thing I have noticed. With the implants in, my upper back had a lot of break outs. Not sure if it was due to implant, but have had them out 2 weeks now and my back it clear. Could it have been effecting my skin too? Nothing out of the ordinary with my face breakouts, (that time of the month!). Actually, I do notice my feet and hands are usually cold, like right now. It always seems to be when I'm at the computer doing nothing but typing and reading. When I am moving around, they usually warm up. What do you think?

Marie

Re: can't believe it either

J,Your really getting closer to the date here. I can only imagine what you are going through in your head.. like me. So when does the mourning process begin? I feel like it's beginning for me now. Or is it after they are gone. I should find a book on grieving I guess. I just want to be prepared emotionally. I'm starting to cry as I write this. It's starting to become a reality.Thank God I found you guys on this site. Imagine going through this horror alone? Alone and to be told by others that there is nothing wrong with you, you are a hypochondriac.I don't know what I will look like either post explant but when I spoke to at Dr. Feng's office, I explained to her my situation and how long the implants have been in and she said I should go back to pretty much what I was pre poison sac. So, with that, I had to have this pretty little ( and they are little) bras. I got the one's they call The Very Sexy. They Are very sexy... it's my favorite bra! It makes any small woman look shapely.It comes in all these pretty colors too. In my mind I think that if I have these bras now, I have hope for mentally living through the process of this all. Very strange how the human mind works.I never imagined I would be getting these things out for good, I never imagined that I would have to admit that this is the problem.Question for you J, Were you on thyroid medication prior to the implants or did you acquire this mishap after the implants? I'm wondering how many of us had to get on thyroid meds post implantion.I wouldn't have even gotten on them at all if it weren't for my aggressive persistence with the doctors.. All my labs have been squeaky clean normal.. unless ofcourse there are certain tests which would not be normal and I have'nt had them. And truthfully, I don't even want to know if something shows up bad, it'll only give me something else to obsess about all day long.))))hugs((((Dawn> Dawn,> Thanks for sharing so honestly. My explant is in a couple of weeks, > 3/30. I have had some doubts in my mind, like, well, maybe the > antidepressants and the thyroid meds and the season and the this and > that are causing me to feel like I've ran a marathon even when I > wake up in the mornings. I've begun to rehearse the surgery in my > head daily, and it's a lonely place. My husband is mourning over the > loss of the big boobs, and he refuses to talk to me about my > decision to explant. > I've been looking through the Secret catalog and thinking, > wow, if I knew how much of my original breasts I might retain after > the surgery, I could buy some of those cute bras now. But I have no > idea what my breasts will look like after surgery, and that is a > little crazy-making in my head too.> I am certain that explanting will improve my health. But it is kind > of a mourning process, i.e. denial, negotiation, anger, sadness, and > acceptance. I guess I go back and forth and hopefully there is a > pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. JOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Could be Raynaud’s

…. That is when your fingers and toes become ice cold. I have heard of

that clearing up after the implants are out in a lot of people. I have had

bouts of acne on my back too… which I never in my life had before.. but I always related it to being

too dosed up on the thyroid medication, because it would go away when I lowered

it.

Keep in mind that your whole body, from

head to toe could be affected by these implants.

Oh.. another thing I just thought of !!!! Adrenals,

adrenals. Adrenal

insufficiency can cause hair loss, plus acne on your back (plus a myriad of

other symptoms). Ask Dr. Kolb if she does the dhea

test where you spit in a tube. Gross isn’t it? Yes, that’s it.

You should also have your adrenals tested

via the salivary DHEA test… very important.

Dawn

Re:

RE:Dawn, one more thing

Dawn,

I forgot to add one thing I have

noticed. With the implants in, my upper back had a lot of break

outs. Not sure if it was due to implant, but have had them out 2 weeks

now and my back it clear. Could it have been effecting my skin too?

Nothing out of the ordinary with my face breakouts, (that time of the

month!). Actually, I do notice my feet and hands are usually cold, like

right now. It always seems to be when I'm at the computer doing nothing

but typing and reading. When I am moving around, they usually warm

up. What do you think?

Marie

Re: can't believe it either

J,

Your really getting closer to the date here. I can

only imagine what

you are going through in your head.. like me.

So when does the mourning process begin? I feel

like it's beginning

for me now. Or is it after they are gone. I should

find a book on

grieving I guess. I just want to be prepared

emotionally. I'm

starting to cry as I write this. It's starting to

become a reality.

Thank God I found you guys on this site. Imagine

going through this

horror alone? Alone and to be told by others that

there is nothing

wrong with you, you are a hypochondriac.

I don't know what I will look like either post

explant but when I

spoke to at Dr. Feng's office, I explained

to her my situation

and how long the implants have been in and she

said I should go back

to pretty much what I was pre poison sac.

So, with that, I had to have this pretty little (

and they are

little) bras. I got the one's they call The Very

Sexy. They Are very

sexy... it's my favorite bra! It makes any small

woman look shapely.

It comes in all these pretty colors too.

In my mind I think that if I have these bras now,

I have hope for

mentally living through the process of this all.

Very strange how

the human mind works.

I never imagined I would be getting these things

out for good, I

never imagined that I would have to admit that

this is the problem.

Question for you J, Were you on thyroid

medication prior to the

implants or did you acquire this mishap after the

implants? I'm

wondering how many of us had to get on thyroid

meds post implantion.

I wouldn't have even gotten on them at all if it

weren't for my

aggressive persistence with the doctors.. All my

labs have been

squeaky clean normal.. unless ofcourse there are

certain tests which

would not be normal and I have'nt had them. And

truthfully, I don't

even want to know if something shows up bad, it'll

only give me

something else to obsess about all day long.

))))hugs((((

Dawn

> Dawn,

> Thanks for sharing so honestly. My

explant is in a couple of

weeks,

> 3/30. I have had some doubts in my

mind, like, well, maybe the

> antidepressants and the thyroid meds and the

season and the this

and

> that are causing me to feel like I've ran a

marathon even when I

> wake up in the mornings. I've begun to

rehearse the surgery in my

> head daily, and it's a lonely place. My

husband is mourning over

the

> loss of the big boobs, and he refuses to talk

to me about my

> decision to explant.

> I've been looking through the Secret

catalog and

thinking,

> wow, if I knew how much of my original

breasts I might retain

after

> the surgery, I could buy some of those cute

bras now. But I have

no

> idea what my breasts will look like after

surgery, and that is a

> little crazy-making in my head too.

> I am certain that explanting will improve my

health. But it is

kind

> of a mourning process, i.e. denial,

negotiation, anger, sadness,

and

> acceptance. I guess I go back and forth

and hopefully there is a

> pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

J

Opinions

expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or

the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn...thanks for the info. I think I confused you, I live in California and I just emailed Dr. Kolb with my question of hair loss. I have never been to see her, she was just nice enough to answer my email and try and give me advice. I wish I could see her. The only doctor I will be seeing is the internist and I don't know her, as she was a referral from my general.

I will ask if she can run some of these tests for me and tell her what has been going on with me.

T3

T4

Antibody test

DHE spit test for Adrenal Insufficiency

Is this correct? Hope so. You have been a wonderful help. Thanks a million. If there is anything else I am missing, please let me know.

I was really hoping that if I got the implants out, my hair would stop falling out. I would like to wait a few more months, but am afraid I will be bald by then. I wonder if I didn't do a thing for the next two or three months if it would finally stop falling out. Haven't run across anyone with just the massive hair loss yet like me and if there hair has stopped falling out after explant. Have you heard of anyone? Would rather not take any thyroin meds or any other meds if possible!!

Marie

Re: can't believe it either

J,Your really getting closer to the date here. I can only imagine what you are going through in your head.. like me. So when does the mourning process begin? I feel like it's beginning for me now. Or is it after they are gone. I should find a book on grieving I guess. I just want to be prepared emotionally. I'm starting to cry as I write this. It's starting to become a reality.Thank God I found you guys on this site. Imagine going through this horror alone? Alone and to be told by others that there is nothing wrong with you, you are a hypochondriac.I don't know what I will look like either post explant but when I spoke to at Dr. Feng's office, I explained to her my situation and how long the implants have been in and she said I should go back to pretty much what I was pre poison sac. So, with that, I had to have this pretty little ( and they are little) bras. I got the one's they call The Very Sexy. They Are very sexy... it's my favorite bra! It makes any small woman look shapely.It comes in all these pretty colors too. In my mind I think that if I have these bras now, I have hope for mentally living through the process of this all. Very strange how the human mind works.I never imagined I would be getting these things out for good, I never imagined that I would have to admit that this is the problem.Question for you J, Were you on thyroid medication prior to the implants or did you acquire this mishap after the implants? I'm wondering how many of us had to get on thyroid meds post implantion.I wouldn't have even gotten on them at all if it weren't for my aggressive persistence with the doctors.. All my labs have been squeaky clean normal.. unless ofcourse there are certain tests which would not be normal and I have'nt had them. And truthfully, I don't even want to know if something shows up bad, it'll only give me something else to obsess about all day long.))))hugs((((Dawn> Dawn,> Thanks for sharing so honestly. My explant is in a couple of weeks, > 3/30. I have had some doubts in my mind, like, well, maybe the > antidepressants and the thyroid meds and the season and the this and > that are causing me to feel like I've ran a marathon even when I > wake up in the mornings. I've begun to rehearse the surgery in my > head daily, and it's a lonely place. My husband is mourning over the > loss of the big boobs, and he refuses to talk to me about my > decision to explant. > I've been looking through the Secret catalog and thinking, > wow, if I knew how much of my original breasts I might retain after > the surgery, I could buy some of those cute bras now. But I have no > idea what my breasts will look like after surgery, and that is a > little crazy-making in my head too.> I am certain that explanting will improve my health. But it is kind > of a mourning process, i.e. denial, negotiation, anger, sadness, and > acceptance. I guess I go back and forth and hopefully there is a > pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. JOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Come to think of it, I actually have heard

of someone whose hair DID STOP falling out… you know who? I will tell you…

Her name is Kacey. She did a documentary on MTV about how her implants disabled

her. I have recently been emailing her back and forth. Her story is on

explant.com. under Kacey, of course. She also has a

website. I think her story has a link to her email… You can email her.

Ask her about the hair loss. She told me in one of her emails that she was

elated at the fact that the hair loss finally stopped.

Dawn

Re:

RE:Dawn, one more thing

Hi Dawn...thanks for the info.

I think I confused you, I live in California and I just

emailed Dr. Kolb with my question of hair loss. I have never been to see

her, she was just nice enough to answer my email and try and give me

advice. I wish I could see her. The only doctor I will be

seeing is the internist and I don't know her, as she was a referral from my

general.

I will ask if she can run some of

these tests for me and tell her what has been going on with me.

T3

T4

Antibody test

DHE spit test for Adrenal

Insufficiency

Is this correct? Hope

so. You have been a wonderful help. Thanks a million. If

there is anything else I am missing, please let me know.

I was really hoping that if I got

the implants out, my hair would stop falling out. I would like to wait a

few more months, but am afraid I will be bald by then. I wonder if I

didn't do a thing for the next two or three months if it would finally stop

falling out. Haven't run across anyone with just the massive hair loss

yet like me and if there hair has stopped falling out after explant. Have

you heard of anyone? Would rather not take any thyroin meds or any other

meds if possible!!

Marie

Re: can't believe it either

J,

Your really getting closer to the date here. I can

only imagine what

you are going through in your head.. like me.

So when does the mourning process begin? I feel

like it's beginning

for me now. Or is it after they are gone. I should

find a book on

grieving I guess. I just want to be prepared

emotionally. I'm

starting to cry as I write this. It's starting to

become a reality.

Thank God I found you guys on this site. Imagine

going through this

horror alone? Alone and to be told by others that

there is nothing

wrong with you, you are a hypochondriac.

I don't know what I will look like either post

explant but when I

spoke to at Dr. Feng's office, I explained

to her my situation

and how long the implants have been in and she

said I should go back

to pretty much what I was pre poison sac.

So, with that, I had to have this pretty little (

and they are

little) bras. I got the one's they call The Very

Sexy. They Are very

sexy... it's my favorite bra! It makes any small

woman look shapely.

It comes in all these pretty colors too.

In my mind I think that if I have these bras now,

I have hope for

mentally living through the process of this all.

Very strange how

the human mind works.

I never imagined I would be getting these things

out for good, I

never imagined that I would have to admit that

this is the problem.

Question for you J, Were you on thyroid

medication prior to the

implants or did you acquire this mishap after the

implants? I'm

wondering how many of us had to get on thyroid

meds post implantion.

I wouldn't have even gotten on them at all if it

weren't for my

aggressive persistence with the doctors.. All my

labs have been

squeaky clean normal.. unless ofcourse there are

certain tests which

would not be normal and I have'nt had them. And

truthfully, I don't

even want to know if something shows up bad, it'll

only give me

something else to obsess about all day long.

))))hugs((((

Dawn

> Dawn,

> Thanks for sharing so honestly. My

explant is in a couple of

weeks,

> 3/30. I have had some doubts in my

mind, like, well, maybe the

> antidepressants and the thyroid meds and the

season and the this

and

> that are causing me to feel like I've ran a

marathon even when I

> wake up in the mornings. I've begun to

rehearse the surgery in my

> head daily, and it's a lonely place. My

husband is mourning over

the

> loss of the big boobs, and he refuses to talk

to me about my

> decision to explant.

> I've been looking through the Secret

catalog and

thinking,

> wow, if I knew how much of my original

breasts I might retain

after

> the surgery, I could buy some of those cute

bras now. But I have

no

> idea what my breasts will look like after

surgery, and that is a

> little crazy-making in my head too.

> I am certain that explanting will improve my

health. But it is

kind

> of a mourning process, i.e. denial,

negotiation, anger, sadness,

and

> acceptance. I guess I go back and forth

and hopefully there is a

> pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

J

Opinions

expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or

the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

It’s doubtful that an internist will

do the adrenal test for you. What they will do is the am and pm cortisol test. Until you can find a naturapathic

MD, maybe go with the Am/PM cortisol. It’s not

as good but it is something and if there is anything striking it will stand

out. And no, this is how you MUST ask for these tests if you want to get the

right ones:

TSH

FREE T3

FREE T4

Anti peroxidase

AB

Am/Pm cortisol

test

See if you just say, Please

do a t3 and t4 on me, you will automatically get what’s called Total t3

and Total T4. That is not what you want. What you want to know is how much of

the FREE hormone is available to your cells. Exactly as I’ve written it

above is exactly how you need to ask because I gotta

tell you most of these doctors out there are clue less. Some guy told me once

that Free t3 didn’t even exist.. That’s how dumb he was… but

then again, he also had the God complex thing goin’

on.

Dawn

Re:

RE:Dawn, one more thing

Hi Dawn...thanks for the info.

I think I confused you, I live in California and I just

emailed Dr. Kolb with my question of hair loss. I have never been to see

her, she was just nice enough to answer my email and try and give me

advice. I wish I could see her. The only doctor I will be

seeing is the internist and I don't know her, as she was a referral from my

general.

I will ask if she can run some of

these tests for me and tell her what has been going on with me.

T3

T4

Antibody test

DHE spit test for Adrenal

Insufficiency

Is this correct? Hope

so. You have been a wonderful help. Thanks a million. If

there is anything else I am missing, please let me know.

I was really hoping that if I got

the implants out, my hair would stop falling out. I would like to wait a

few more months, but am afraid I will be bald by then. I wonder if I

didn't do a thing for the next two or three months if it would finally stop

falling out. Haven't run across anyone with just the massive hair loss

yet like me and if there hair has stopped falling out after explant. Have

you heard of anyone? Would rather not take any thyroin meds or any other

meds if possible!!

Marie

Re: can't believe it either

J,

Your really getting closer to the date here. I can

only imagine what

you are going through in your head.. like me.

So when does the mourning process begin? I feel

like it's beginning

for me now. Or is it after they are gone. I should

find a book on

grieving I guess. I just want to be prepared

emotionally. I'm

starting to cry as I write this. It's starting to

become a reality.

Thank God I found you guys on this site. Imagine

going through this

horror alone? Alone and to be told by others that

there is nothing

wrong with you, you are a hypochondriac.

I don't know what I will look like either post

explant but when I

spoke to at Dr. Feng's office, I explained

to her my situation

and how long the implants have been in and she

said I should go back

to pretty much what I was pre poison sac.

So, with that, I had to have this pretty little (

and they are

little) bras. I got the one's they call The Very

Sexy. They Are very

sexy... it's my favorite bra! It makes any small

woman look shapely.

It comes in all these pretty colors too.

In my mind I think that if I have these bras now,

I have hope for

mentally living through the process of this all.

Very strange how

the human mind works.

I never imagined I would be getting these things

out for good, I

never imagined that I would have to admit that

this is the problem.

Question for you J, Were you on thyroid

medication prior to the

implants or did you acquire this mishap after the

implants? I'm

wondering how many of us had to get on thyroid

meds post implantion.

I wouldn't have even gotten on them at all if it

weren't for my

aggressive persistence with the doctors.. All my

labs have been

squeaky clean normal.. unless ofcourse there are

certain tests which

would not be normal and I have'nt had them. And

truthfully, I don't

even want to know if something shows up bad, it'll

only give me

something else to obsess about all day long.

))))hugs((((

Dawn

> Dawn,

> Thanks for sharing so honestly. My

explant is in a couple of

weeks,

> 3/30. I have had some doubts in my

mind, like, well, maybe the

> antidepressants and the thyroid meds and the

season and the this

and

> that are causing me to feel like I've ran a

marathon even when I

> wake up in the mornings. I've begun to

rehearse the surgery in my

> head daily, and it's a lonely place. My

husband is mourning over

the

> loss of the big boobs, and he refuses to talk

to me about my

> decision to explant.

> I've been looking through the Secret

catalog and

thinking,

> wow, if I knew how much of my original

breasts I might retain

after

> the surgery, I could buy some of those cute

bras now. But I have

no

> idea what my breasts will look like after

surgery, and that is a

> little crazy-making in my head too.

> I am certain that explanting will improve my

health. But it is

kind

> of a mourning process, i.e. denial,

negotiation, anger, sadness,

and

> acceptance. I guess I go back and forth

and hopefully there is a

> pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

J

Opinions

expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or

the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, and don’t you worry, Cali is a great place to be if you have a

thyroid problem… you’re close to Dr. Lowe and he has referral docs

for thyroid in California… but you have to contact him. He does phone

consultations. Need labs first though.

Dawn

Re:

RE:Dawn, one more thing

Hi Dawn...thanks for the info.

I think I confused you, I live in California and I just

emailed Dr. Kolb with my question of hair loss. I have never been to see

her, she was just nice enough to answer my email and try and give me

advice. I wish I could see her. The only doctor I will be

seeing is the internist and I don't know her, as she was a referral from my

general.

I will ask if she can run some of

these tests for me and tell her what has been going on with me.

T3

T4

Antibody test

DHE spit test for Adrenal

Insufficiency

Is this correct? Hope

so. You have been a wonderful help. Thanks a million. If

there is anything else I am missing, please let me know.

I was really hoping that if I got

the implants out, my hair would stop falling out. I would like to wait a

few more months, but am afraid I will be bald by then. I wonder if I

didn't do a thing for the next two or three months if it would finally stop

falling out. Haven't run across anyone with just the massive hair loss

yet like me and if there hair has stopped falling out after explant. Have

you heard of anyone? Would rather not take any thyroin meds or any other

meds if possible!!

Marie

Re: can't believe it either

J,

Your really getting closer to the date here. I can

only imagine what

you are going through in your head.. like me.

So when does the mourning process begin? I feel

like it's beginning

for me now. Or is it after they are gone. I should

find a book on

grieving I guess. I just want to be prepared

emotionally. I'm

starting to cry as I write this. It's starting to

become a reality.

Thank God I found you guys on this site. Imagine

going through this

horror alone? Alone and to be told by others that

there is nothing

wrong with you, you are a hypochondriac.

I don't know what I will look like either post

explant but when I

spoke to at Dr. Feng's office, I explained

to her my situation

and how long the implants have been in and she

said I should go back

to pretty much what I was pre poison sac.

So, with that, I had to have this pretty little (

and they are

little) bras. I got the one's they call The Very

Sexy. They Are very

sexy... it's my favorite bra! It makes any small

woman look shapely.

It comes in all these pretty colors too.

In my mind I think that if I have these bras now,

I have hope for

mentally living through the process of this all.

Very strange how

the human mind works.

I never imagined I would be getting these things

out for good, I

never imagined that I would have to admit that

this is the problem.

Question for you J, Were you on thyroid

medication prior to the

implants or did you acquire this mishap after the

implants? I'm

wondering how many of us had to get on thyroid

meds post implantion.

I wouldn't have even gotten on them at all if it

weren't for my

aggressive persistence with the doctors.. All my

labs have been

squeaky clean normal.. unless ofcourse there are

certain tests which

would not be normal and I have'nt had them. And

truthfully, I don't

even want to know if something shows up bad, it'll

only give me

something else to obsess about all day long.

))))hugs((((

Dawn

> Dawn,

> Thanks for sharing so honestly. My

explant is in a couple of

weeks,

> 3/30. I have had some doubts in my

mind, like, well, maybe the

> antidepressants and the thyroid meds and the

season and the this

and

> that are causing me to feel like I've ran a

marathon even when I

> wake up in the mornings. I've begun to

rehearse the surgery in my

> head daily, and it's a lonely place. My

husband is mourning over

the

> loss of the big boobs, and he refuses to talk

to me about my

> decision to explant.

> I've been looking through the Secret

catalog and

thinking,

> wow, if I knew how much of my original

breasts I might retain

after

> the surgery, I could buy some of those cute

bras now. But I have

no

> idea what my breasts will look like after

surgery, and that is a

> little crazy-making in my head too.

> I am certain that explanting will improve my

health. But it is

kind

> of a mourning process, i.e. denial,

negotiation, anger, sadness,

and

> acceptance. I guess I go back and forth

and hopefully there is a

> pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

J

Opinions

expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or

the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Dr. Blais talks about Raynaud's here ... so many women suffer from

it.

Ilena

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

SALINE AND DOUBLE LUMEN IMPLANTS

SALINE AND DOUBLE LUMEN IMPLANTS

Dr. Pierre Blais was with the equivalent of the FDA in

Canada and " blew " the whistle on silicone implants in

1988.

Dr. Pierre Blais has written an article on saline and

double lumen implants which looks at their risks and

long-term safety implications.

Some of the problems he sites are their contamination

and

shell deterioration. The saline is sometimes

contaminated at the time of

manufacturing because of inappropriate or ineffective

sterilization methods. Other contamination can occur

from chemicals and pyrogenic

(fever producing) substances that are within the outer

lumen or saline.

Saline implants may also have faulty valves that allow

leakage into the capsule around the implant. In that

favorable enviroment,

micro-organisms can grow and flourish. Many of these

organisms are not commonly encountered by

physicians and there may be limited

treatment for them.

An autoimmune response is possible from the " continuous

release of chemically modified or decaying

autogenous (self) tissue mixed with

fungal material or from the release of modified tissue.

Dr.

Blais says that sterilization is still a problem and

sometimes the devices are filled

during surgery and may be contaminated then. Another

problem occurs with trying to resterilize implants

that are reused or if physicians

uses additives such as steroids, antibiotics, detergent

solutions, etc.

Believe it or not, some physicians have actually reused

a

" perfectly good implant " in another woman.The

mixtures and drugs added to the

saline may also cause problems as they degrade.

Micro-organisms could feed off those nutrients. There are

now numerous studies

documenting mico-organism can and do grow in the saline

while implants and in the capsules surrounding

them.

Proteins may also leak into the saline from the body

and

with the double lumen implant, it is very rare to

find the outer saline envelope in tact.

They have an above average failure rate.

Dr.Patten and Dr. Ostermeyer who were associated with

Baylor Medical school also have done studies on

systemic disease in women with

saline implants. They found women with peripheral

neuropathy or other neurological diseases. Some also

had indications of systemic

vasculitis, Raynaud's and vasospasms. Like the

silicone

implants,the saline also cause autoantibodies,

myositis, muscle and nerve atrophy,

foreign body giant cells and free

silicone in the capsules after removal of the implants.

[Guest guest]

Kacey is a member of this group . . . She's busy

traveling the country speaking at universities. She's

an incredible spokeswoman for our cause! She doesn't

post often . . . but she's usually around.

There are several other group members who will be

appearing on the upcoming MTV shows.

I'm so glad they are willing to speak out!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

Was wondering if you knew what area Dr. Lowe is in. Do you have an email address for him, or a contact number? Would be most grateful. Thanks.

Marie

Re: can't believe it either

J,Your really getting closer to the date here. I can only imagine what you are going through in your head.. like me. So when does the mourning process begin? I feel like it's beginning for me now. Or is it after they are gone. I should find a book on grieving I guess. I just want to be prepared emotionally. I'm starting to cry as I write this. It's starting to become a reality.Thank God I found you guys on this site. Imagine going through this horror alone? Alone and to be told by others that there is nothing wrong with you, you are a hypochondriac.I don't know what I will look like either post explant but when I spoke to at Dr. Feng's office, I explained to her my situation and how long the implants have been in and she said I should go back to pretty much what I was pre poison sac. So, with that, I had to have this pretty little ( and they are little) bras. I got the one's they call The Very Sexy. They Are very sexy... it's my favorite bra! It makes any small woman look shapely.It comes in all these pretty colors too. In my mind I think that if I have these bras now, I have hope for mentally living through the process of this all. Very strange how the human mind works.I never imagined I would be getting these things out for good, I never imagined that I would have to admit that this is the problem.Question for you J, Were you on thyroid medication prior to the implants or did you acquire this mishap after the implants? I'm wondering how many of us had to get on thyroid meds post implantion.I wouldn't have even gotten on them at all if it weren't for my aggressive persistence with the doctors.. All my labs have been squeaky clean normal.. unless ofcourse there are certain tests which would not be normal and I have'nt had them. And truthfully, I don't even want to know if something shows up bad, it'll only give me something else to obsess about all day long.))))hugs((((Dawn> Dawn,> Thanks for sharing so honestly. My explant is in a couple of weeks, > 3/30. I have had some doubts in my mind, like, well, maybe the > antidepressants and the thyroid meds and the season and the this and > that are causing me to feel like I've ran a marathon even when I > wake up in the mornings. I've begun to rehearse the surgery in my > head daily, and it's a lonely place. My husband is mourning over the > loss of the big boobs, and he refuses to talk to me about my > decision to explant. > I've been looking through the Secret catalog and thinking, > wow, if I knew how much of my original breasts I might retain after > the surgery, I could buy some of those cute bras now. But I have no > idea what my breasts will look like after surgery, and that is a > little crazy-making in my head too.> I am certain that explanting will improve my health. But it is kind > of a mourning process, i.e. denial, negotiation, anger, sadness, and > acceptance. I guess I go back and forth and hopefully there is a > pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. JOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Marie,

Dr. Lowe is in Boulder, Colorado. He does phone consultations. He wrote a

book, The Metabolic Treatment of Fibromyalgia. His

website is www.drlowe.com. Go to “How

to contact us” …. Do you have the appointment with the internist

yet for the tests we spoke of? You need these tests done first…. It should

take only 48hrs to get the results … just make sure the internist

provides a fax #.

Endocrinologists are a species of their

own. Yes, they are supposed to treat us for hormonal problems..

but MOST of them do not treat us properly for thyroid

disorders. They are too bogged down with other issues to give a hoot about our

thyroid disorders and force us to take things like synthroid.

Most endocrinologists have the god

complex and will refuse to do the tests I suggested you should ask for. These

tests are crucial to your plight, as any other tests will tell you nothing.

Before anything, it is my opinion that you

need these tests done. I am not a doctor as you know, but I’ve been

around the block way too many times with the thyroid problem… I know the

game… and trust me it is a game where you have to fight for your very

existence. Nobody is willing to just dole out thyroid meds..

even if your symptoms are screaming of a thyroid

disorder.

Here’s a good book for you in the

mean time to help give you some back ground of what you are up against…

this man is an endocrinologist and even he doesn’t recommend going to an endo!!!!!

Author: Rhidha Arem

Ya know, I can’t

find the darn book, my house swallowed it… I will find it and get the

name.. Gees my brain like has holes in it or something…

can’t remember a damn thing.

Dawn

Re:

RE:Dawn, one more thing

Dawn,

Was wondering if you knew what area

Dr. Lowe is in. Do you have an email address for him, or a contact

number? Would be most grateful. Thanks.

Marie

Re: can't believe it either

J,

Your really getting closer to the date here. I can

only imagine what

you are going through in your head.. like me.

So when does the mourning process begin? I feel

like it's beginning

for me now. Or is it after they are gone. I should

find a book on

grieving I guess. I just want to be prepared

emotionally. I'm

starting to cry as I write this. It's starting to

become a reality.

Thank God I found you guys on this site. Imagine

going through this

horror alone? Alone and to be told by others that

there is nothing

wrong with you, you are a hypochondriac.

I don't know what I will look like either post

explant but when I

spoke to at Dr. Feng's office, I explained to

her my situation

and how long the implants have been in and she

said I should go back

to pretty much what I was pre poison sac.

So, with that, I had to have this pretty little (

and they are

little) bras. I got the one's they call The Very

Sexy. They Are very

sexy... it's my favorite bra! It makes any small

woman look shapely.

It comes in all these pretty colors too.

In my mind I think that if I have these bras now,

I have hope for

mentally living through the process of this all.

Very strange how

the human mind works.

I never imagined I would be getting these things

out for good, I

never imagined that I would have to admit that

this is the problem.

Question for you J, Were you on thyroid

medication prior to the

implants or did you acquire this mishap after the

implants? I'm

wondering how many of us had to get on thyroid

meds post implantion.

I wouldn't have even gotten on them at all if it

weren't for my

aggressive persistence with the doctors.. All my

labs have been

squeaky clean normal.. unless ofcourse there are

certain tests which

would not be normal and I have'nt had them. And

truthfully, I don't

even want to know if something shows up bad, it'll

only give me

something else to obsess about all day long.

))))hugs((((

Dawn

> Dawn,

> Thanks for sharing so honestly. My

explant is in a couple of

weeks,

> 3/30. I have had some doubts in my

mind, like, well, maybe the

> antidepressants and the thyroid meds and the

season and the this

and

> that are causing me to feel like I've ran a

marathon even when I

> wake up in the mornings. I've begun to

rehearse the surgery in my

> head daily, and it's a lonely place. My

husband is mourning over

the

> loss of the big boobs, and he refuses to talk

to me about my

> decision to explant.

> I've been looking through the Secret

catalog and

thinking,

> wow, if I knew how much of my original

breasts I might retain

after

> the surgery, I could buy some of those cute

bras now. But I have

no

> idea what my breasts will look like after

surgery, and that is a

> little crazy-making in my head too.

> I am certain that explanting will improve my

health. But it is

kind

> of a mourning process, i.e. denial,

negotiation, anger, sadness,

and

> acceptance. I guess I go back and forth

and hopefully there is a

> pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

J

Opinions

expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or

the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

1963, Peace)