Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 I love the Work when I see a direct positive impact in my relationships. I love the turnarounds and the freedom. But i seem to meet a lot of resistance to let go of certain ontological thoughts such as IThere is nothing I can do to advance my time of death, is that true... well i say no. I say if I start living dangerously their is a better chance of me dying earlier. I can absolutely know it but i probabilities are . So I feel quite inconfortable when asks - on a tape- 30 people to stand on a rock that can only hold 7 to - i think- find out thier concepts about death... Another one might be I decide thinks in my life, is that true... well yes it sure looks like it.... It is commen sense to be careful and organized. Isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 I love the Work when I see a direct positive impact in my relationships. I love the turnarounds and the freedom. But i seem to meet a lot of resistance to let go of certain ontological thoughts such as IThere is nothing I can do to advance my time of death, is that true... well i say no. I say if I start living dangerously their is a better chance of me dying earlier. I can absolutely know it but i probabilities are . *****The question is CAN you start living dangerously? Is such behavior IN *your* conditioning? If it is, perhaps you will find the answer to your question. And if you did, would it necessarily hold valid for everyone else? And even further...IS there anyone else? So I feel quite inconfortable when asks - on a tape- 30 people to stand on a rock that can only hold 7 to - i think- find out thier concepts about death... Another one might be I decide thinks in my life, is that true... well yes it sure looks like it.... It is commen sense to be careful and organized. Isn't it? *****The Work is not about common sense. The nondual (Absolute) perspective from which The Work is born will always be at odds with with the dual (relative) world of thought (out of which common sense arises). Both are valid, simulaneously, but attempting to understand one perspective from the point-of-view of the other is futile, hopeless, and entirely impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Dear Brigitte, Am 08.10.2004 um 19:49 schrieb Brigitte: > I love the Work when I see a direct positive impact in my > relationships. I love the turnarounds and the freedom. > > But > > i seem to meet a lot of resistance to let go of certain ontological > thoughts such as > > There is nothing I can do to advance my time of death, is that > true... well i say no. I say if I start living dangerously their is > a better chance of me dying > earlier. I can absolutely know it but i probabilities are . So, chances are that you will live longer if you keep safe. You can probably get almost anyone to agree on that. And, Brigitte, can you *really* know that this is true? What do you get for holding this belief? How do you live your live, when you attach to this thought? Like maybe don't live it fully, sometimes? - not according to me, but according to you? That's all the work is about. Exploring yourself. This is not about jumping off of running trains, or having cliff-diving as a hobby - or whatever you consider dangerous. And how do you treat people whom you consider are doing something dangerous? How do you behave when they are around? How does it feel? And how do you treat people that encourage you or others to do something that is dangerous - according to you? Have *you* ever done anything dangerous? Anything *you* considered dangerous? How did that feel? How does it feel *now*? And who would you be in the middle of people doing dangerous things, if you did not have that belief, that anyone should keep safe, and watch out? I understand there is the thought that without this belief, anyone would just kill himself by doing dangerous things. And can you really know that that is true? > If I start living dangerously there is a better chance of me dying > earlier What would the turnaround be? Could that be *as* true? > So I feel quite inconfortable when asks - on a tape- 30 people > to stand on a rock that can only hold 7 to - i think- find out thier > concepts about death... It is not our buisness why she asked them. Maybe she just wanted to have them around. Nor do we know that rock could only hold 7. Someone said so. And it did hold 30, didn't it? I mean, as far as I know, one fell off, and I don't know *why* he fell off. Up to that point the rock held 30 people. > Another one might be I decide things in my life, is that true... well > yes it sure looks like it.... It can appear that way, yes. What I heard is, that we do things, and then tell ourselves how we had something to do with it. And there are times I find I had *nothing* to do with it. Like comb the hairs in a certain way, stand up with the right foot, lean back, chew... Quite a lot of things, actually. > It is commen sense to be careful and organized. Isn't it? What's your answer? Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Dear Brigitte, You said: " It is commen sense to be careful and organized. Isn't it? " Only if you want pain and dissapointment. It sounds like you have a belief that you need a plan. The Work has absolutely nothing to do with " common sense " . What we call " common sense " is a story we make up. likes to say: " Don't be careful, you might hurt yourself. " Blessings, Steve D. > > I love the Work when I see a direct positive impact in my relationships. I love > the turnarounds and the freedom. > > But > > i seem to meet a lot of resistance to let go of certain ontological thoughts such > as > > IThere is nothing I can do to advance my time of death, is that true... well i say > no. I say if I start living dangerously their is a better chance of me dying > earlier. I can absolutely know it but i probabilities are . > > So I feel quite inconfortable when asks - on a tape- 30 people to stand > on a rock that can only hold 7 to - i think- find out thier concepts about death... > > Another one might be I decide thinks in my life, is that true... well yes it sure > looks like it.... > > It is commen sense to be careful and organized. Isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Here is what I found working thru this. > How do you live your live, when you attach to this thought? That send me working. I realized that what I consider really dangerous is intimacy in communication. Really telling mom/hubby what I truthfully feel is much scarier than scuba diving. So I tried opening up a little. I did not die. Freedom. This thought is brought about - i think- by the fact I'm going to the School next week, As time to leave approaches, fear creeps in. What am I scared of? Not sure... I am scared, is that true? I might call it excited.... > > It is commen sense to be careful and organized. Isn't it? > What's your answer? maybe life is not about holding common sense... maybe we can only be organized when the structure is stable maybe we aren't meant for stability maybe I'm not meant for stability Maybe, i could let go of carefulleness in my thinking, and permet myself to think freely, let us see where that might lead me... Isn't life great! Brigitte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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