Re: Core of core beliefs - Concepts and theories

October 13, 2004

---Without " judgment " , how would you know the difference between a

bowl of cereal and a steamy pile of dog shit? Believe me...judgment

counts...LOL!

Hi Matt-

Judgement only counts when I am a judge - not when I AM.

I notice that babies who grow up with artistic talent often started

out using their own fecal matter and decorating their surroundings

with it - totally blissed out and happy by their self created artsy

materials and the walls that it now adorns.

Every thing, person, event in your life contains the presence of I

AM.

*****Yes. And they all each contain the presence of " i am " too,

simultaneously. As long as the energy labeled " life " is funneled

through them. It is not one, or the other, but both, together, at

every instance. THIS VERY LIFE, with all its ups and downs, is IT:

nirvana. The presence of stress, upset, unhappiness, grief, sadness

is as much IT as the arising of joy, happiness, love, appreciation

and serenity. The deepest misunderstanding is the wishing for one

without the other: a most profound impossibility.

It is YOUR choice to see " shit " , see " cereal " and act

accordingly.

*****No. It is A choice, not YOUR choice.

As my desire for the illusion fades,

*****I doubt that.

the stuff that passes before me -is merely the stuff that passes

before me.

*****Nothing passes before you: you are never separate from

that " stuff. " It is all created through you.

October 13, 2004

*****If this is old hat, Matt, and you've had it up to here with this

stuff, just say so and I'll sit down and shut up.

---I guess I assume " judgment " concerns being able to designate an

ass from an elbow, or something like that. Not whether or not someone

should be burnt at the stake or given the Nobel Prize.

*****As I see it, thanks to Nisargadatta via Jan, ALL thought is

judgment. Even differentiating a tool, such as a hammer from a

screwdriver, is a *kind* of judgment.

If I simply let everything become " I AM " , then there is nothing to

differentiate things with.

*****Correct. None of us, except the mystics and madmen/women who

are so disabled by the falling away of the mindbody complex (Byron

at one point in her life), fail to differentiate things. And

the tool for that differentiating (also called discriminating) is

thought. At the same time, there is nothing to do for everything to

be " I AM " as everything always is " I AM. " IT is always functioning,

as there is nothing that is not IT.

In the context of the tools we use here to discuss anything, we use

differentiations even to brag bout being in the state of " I AM " .

*****It's nothing to brag about. Boasting about it is like being

proud that you are breathing without the aid of a ventilator. If you

are a part of phenomenality (person, bird, plant, rock) then the " I

AM " is there, in the expression and manifestation of YOU.

To follow the logic of what you say here I must reduce myself to the

state of an amoeba drifting around in a little puddle of Nothingness

with zero awkward insinuations about who I am made and zero humanity

appreciated, and I'm not ready to do that this afternoon. " I AM " ,

but " you are " , and " they are " too.

*****Yep. The transcendence (I AM) which is always present is what

makes the immanence (i am) possible at every moment. It's not one,

or the other. The two are cojoined like the two arms of an intact

body. Each functioning fully and appropriately as to its nature.

The " i am " which is the manifestation of IT in phenomenality performs

its function using differentiation and discrimination, love and hate,

anger and peace, joy and sadness. Only the confused wish for one

state over the other, like wanting the body to have only one arm (the

good [dominant] one).

October 14, 2004

Jan wrote...

> I basically see two forms of communication - the intent to control or

> the intent to learn. The intent to control keeps me locked in

> illusion...

>

> *****(andy)The belief in control is, itself, the illusion. We don't

> control anything. We are that which IS controlled, not that which

> does the controlling.

Andy - we basically don't share the same experience - I'm okay with

that...when you " share " you do so from a stance of what appears to be

ultimate truth stance. I'm totally sold on ACIM logic (matches my

experiences) - As we step up and down the ladder of the levels of what

we identify with (which ultimately don't exist) - we " believe " we make

decisions until we get that there is no decision to be made. The

belief that we are in control is the joke. It's obvious we are not in

control of anything...Each of your posts appears to be very

unaccepting of a person's system of functioning or current level of

experience - each response seems to be prompting a person to jump into

ultimate Reality.

Hey, feel free to drag me to ultimate Reality all you wish - but

please don't expect a response - I'm okay with level hopping and being

precisely where I am in this moment and just like you intellectually

brilliantly aware of exactly what I'm doin'!!!!

> So silence from me is the only possible response of integrity!!!

> (Maybe the plants and animals system of communication - perhaps they

> are on to something!!!!)

>

> *****I'm sure you know that animals don't communicate solely in

> silence. As for plants...perhaps their " verbal " communications are

> outside the perceivable realm of human senses? Integrity? I don't

> feel one is ever NOT in integrity. I don't believe such is

> possible. One IS what one IS at any one moment. If you feel that

> silence is the only possible response of integrity (from you), does

> it follow that your non-silence here, via your posts, is thus Jan

> being out-of-integrity?

Geez - my humor has been cat scanned!

Blessings - Jan

October 14, 2004

>

> Each of your posts appears to be very

> unaccepting of a person's system of functioning or current level of

> experience - each response seems to be prompting a person to jump

> into ultimate Reality.

>

> Hey, feel free to drag me to ultimate Reality all you wish - but

> please don't expect a response - I'm okay with level hopping and

> being precisely where I am in this moment and just like you

> intellectually brilliantly aware of exactly what I'm doin'!!!!

>

LOL ... very nice Jan

" Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron

October 14, 2004

> Each of your posts appears to be very

> unaccepting of a person's system of functioning or current level of

> experience - each response seems to be prompting a person to jump into

> ultimate Reality.

>

> Hey, feel free to drag me to ultimate Reality all you wish - but

> please don't expect a response - I'm okay with level hopping and being

> precisely where I am in this moment and just like you intellectually

> brilliantly aware of exactly what I'm doin'!!!!

>

LOL ... very nice Jan

---When I first came to " The Work " , I was struck by it's simplicity. I saw

beautiful interventions for people artfully formed, that helped with things

like cancer, being left by your husband because he thinks you're too fat, or

simply helping someone realize that they're tyrannizing people with how they

think things should be. Hearing work with a Vietnam vet was cathartic

for me. In that experience...the issues dealt with there were clear, the

benefits immediately definable, the results obvious. Now I seem to be in the

middle of a philosophical pissing contest, that ends every time on the

ridiculously obvious assumption that everyone sees things differently...duh.

---I sympathize with you Jan, having to fend off any asshole who is trying

to squeeze you into their box, and with words, zing you personally and then

back out of that with " Well, that's your reality " . I also think that people

who beat you to death with rote assumptions and hammer down with brain

drudge the imprecise art of language to the point of embarrassed silence,

are simply engaging in an intellectual circle jerk, and screw " my

experience " ...like porn, I know an intellectual circle jerk when I see one.

And the first person who says " That's your story " can kiss my ass. There...I

thought that was clear enough. Now THAT was cathartic!

---Say...when was the last time someone was helped with a problem here?

Obviously I missed it.

October 15, 2004

>

> ---When I first came to " The Work " , I was struck by it's

> simplicity. I saw beautiful interventions for people artfully

> formed, that helped with things like cancer, being left by your

> husband because he thinks you're too fat, or simply helping someone

> realize that they're tyrannizing people with how they think things

> should be. Hearing work with a Vietnam vet was cathartic

> for me. In that experience...the issues dealt with there were

> clear, the benefits immediately definable, the results obvious.

Yep, I vote for more beautiful interventions

Here is one from herself on terrorism and 9/11. Enjoy

Deborah: I'm afraid that this is the beginning of the end. Our lives

will become a living hell. The terrorists will continue; we can't

stop them. We have too many enemies. I might lose my life, my kids,

my grandkids. I might never see them again. We're just at the

beginning of the attack.

: Thank you, sweetheart. You're giving voice to many people's

thoughts about what happened on Tuesday. Now let's look at what

you've written, one thought at a time. This is the beginning of the

end - is that true?

Deborah: It could be. It really could be. It feels like it. Totally.

: Can you absolutely know that that's true?

Deborah: No, I guess not. I can't know that.

: How do you react when you think the thought " This is the

beginning of the end " ?

Deborah: I get really scared and sad. I get paranoid. I don't want to

leave the house or let my husband leave the house. I want to move out

of New York. I never want to go into the subway again or into a high-

rise office building.

: And then where does your mind go? Where does it travel when

you think the thought " This is the beginning of the end " ?

Deborah: It accelerates scary thoughts. I start thinking that I'll

never see my family again. I see pictures of my children dying in a

chemical attack. I'm afraid that a terrorist will explode a bomb when

I'm on the subway. I feel completely helpless and at the mercy of the

people who hate us.

: That's what has to happen, because mind's job is to prove that

it's right. When you believe the thought " This is the beginning of

the end, " you have to deny everything else that you see that's

evidence to the contrary, and you have to be very selective. Does

this thought bring peace or stress into your life?

Deborah: Oh, it's a very stressful thought. It takes over everything.

It eats me up. I can't think about anything else. I get physically

sick over it.

: Who would you be without that thought?

Deborah: Someone who could enjoy things. Someone who could love New

York again. I could go outside and enjoy the things I used to.

: That's really nice, because there are a lot of things to

enjoy. But only in reality. You hear the sounds of the people singing

outside this church, you see the lights, the candle burning, the

flowers in the vase, and if that's not enough, you have the smells,

your feet on the floor, the people sitting beside you. Reality right

here is really fine. It feels much nicer than the trip you just took

into the end of the world. So, what I am learning from you - and I

see you as an expert - is that with the thought, you experience

stress as though two planes have crashed into your building and you

collapse, and without the thought, you stand. So, how can anything

that happens be responsible for your stress or your peace? " This is

the beginning of the end " - how would you turn that around?

Deborah, laughing: What happened is the end of the beginning. I'm not

sure what that means.

: Feel it. Whatever it means, I see that it brings laughter to

your face.

Yeah. The end of the beginning… Well, something new is happening.

It's the end of that. That disaster actually ended on Tuesday. I feel

a little guilty saying that.

: Of course you do, because you're a traitor to the story that

causes suffering. You're not going to be very popular in the world.

[The audience laughs.] You're going to be very happy, but you won't

have a lot of friends in high places. Who would you be without the

story? A vibrant listener, because there's no terrorist attacking you

from the inside. A thought appears: " This is the beginning of the

end. " And without investigation, you're terrorized, you're war-torn.

But it was just a thought. We don't know how to meet our inner

terrorists. Until we can meet these thoughts with unconditional love,

we're going to suffer in the name of the world. Let's hear your next

thought.

Deborah: Our lives will become a living hell.

: " Our lives will become a living hell " - is that true?

Deborah: I don't know. I really don't know. So far, they haven't.

: I would go with that. It's reality. A bomb may blow me up

tomorrow, but I'm having a good life right now. Bombs are kinder than

the thoughts we bomb ourselves with. How do you react when you think

the thought " Our lives will become a living hell " ?

Deborah: I feel despair. That overwhelming feeling again.

: Who would you be without that thought?

Deborah: I'd just be available for whatever and whoever is around me.

: That's really sweet, because there are people around us who

really need clarity, but when we're attached to that story, we rarely

notice. Can you turn this one around?

Deborah: Our lives will become a living heaven.

: That's my experience. The worst that can ever happen to me is

an uninvestigated thought. That's the worst that's ever happened to

anyone, whether they realize it or not. Let's move to the next

statement, the next terrorist tactic.

Deborah: The terrorists will continue; we can't stop them.

: " The terrorists will continue; we can't stop them " - can you

absolutely know that that's true? And for those of you who are in a

lot of fear, I'm not saying that it is not true. I haven't come here

to teach you anything. I've come with four questions, and a way for

you to take a look at your thinking and find peace inside you. This

is very frightening for some of you, but just breathe and know that

it's only a question. Whatever you answer is okay. You can't do this

Work wrong. " The terrorists will continue " - can you absolutely know

that that's true?

Deborah: No, I can't.

: How do you react when you think that thought?

Deborah: Hopelessness. I feel very hopeless.

: In other words, your terror continues?

Deborah: Yes.

: " The terrorists will continue " - does this thought bring

stress or peace into your life?

Deborah: A lot of stress.

: Who would you be without this thought?

Deborah, crying: I'd be happy.

: That can bring a lot of tears to your eyes, honey. I love that

you understand how to deal with the terrorists. Let's hear the next

statement.

Deborah: We have too many enemies.

: " We have enemies " - is that true?

Deborah: I think it is. It seems that way if people come and blow up

our buildings. People were cheering in the streets in other

countries. I can't imagine how anyone could think that these

terrorists aren't our enemies.

: That's what it seems like.

Deborah: And they're hiding everywhere. They're not even the kind of

enemies we've had in other wars when it was clearer who our enemies

were.

: Let's go back to inquiry now. How do you react when you think

the thought " We have enemies " ? And I'm not saying we don't have

enemies.

Deborah: I get really, really scared.

: Who would you be without the thought " The United States has

enemies " ?

Deborah: I'd be peaceful.

: Yes. The wording I like for your statement is " Those people

are our enemies. " Turn it around.

Deborah: Those people are not our enemies.

: They are confused people. No one would ever harm anyone if

they weren't confused. Can you find another turnaround? " I… "

Deborah: I am my enemy.

: I am my own enemy in the moment that I see them as my enemy.

I'm deluded. The way that I know that is that it doesn't feel right

inside me. If we have an uncomfortable thought that we haven't

investigated, it throws us off balance emotionally. And if we

investigate and discover what's really true for us - not what we want

to be true for us - it moves us back to peace, and that's the power

of truth, your truth. If you sit with this turnaround, you can see

all the things in your life that you oppose, and all the things you

bomb verbally and mentally when they're in your way.

Deborah: I'd like to stop being an enemy to my husband.

: Yes, honey. Because it hurts you when you act like an enemy.

Just deal you're your family, your husband, your children. Okay,

let's look at the next one.

Deborah: I might lose my life, my kids, my grandkids.

: So there could be a war, and you would lose all the people you

love - is that true?

Deborah: Well, it's true that I might. That's certainly a

possibility. You'd have to be crazy to think it's not.

: And can you absolutely know that that's true?

Deborah: No.

: And how do you react when you think that thought?

Deborah: It feels scary to think that I would lose everyone and

myself.

: So give me a reason to keep that thought - a peaceful reason.

This is your religion. " Something terrible could happen " is your

religion. There's no room for God in that because that's what we

worship. It's okay. I'm just asking you to give me a stress-free

reason to keep it.

Deborah: There's no peaceful reason to think that something terrible

might happen.

: Who would you be without that thought?

Deborah: I would be peaceful. I wouldn't be scared or sick to death

worrying about my kids and grandkids. I'd have a life again.

: Turn it around.

Deborah: I might not lose my life, my kids. Something terrible won't

necessarily happen.

: Something wonderful could happen, like what's happening right

now as you find your way through the maze of confusion. Let's look at

the next statement.

Deborah: We're just at the beginning of the attack.

: Who would you be without that story?

Deborah: I'd be calm and happy.

: Turn it around.

Deborah: We're at the beginning of peace.

: That could be just as true. Who knows where this event will

lead? Why do you want the terrorists to stop? What happens to you

when they stop and the world finds peace? What do you have then?

Deborah: I have peace.

: Yes, sweetheart. So I say, skip the world, and find peace from

where you are right now. " I'll be peaceful after the world solves its

problems. " Well, you can wait for a very long time for the world to

find peace. You may still be saying that on your deathbed. Bring

peace to one person in the world: you. Have a little mercy. It's

better than waiting for the terrorists to show the mercy. That's why

there are so many of them. They all exist for your sake. They just

keep coming till you realize that you're the only terrorist you need

to deal with now.

Deborah: I'm really seeing that now. I don't know how long I'll be

able to hold onto it, but…

: Well, you have four questions to hold you if things gets

rough. Who knows? - you could be like some people I know who get it

once and for all. They understand, it's done, and their concepts just

continue to unravel. Let's look at the next one.

Deborah: I want to kill all the terrorists before they can kill me or

my family.

: You know, they could be just like you.

Deborah: I'm suspecting that they are.

: Yes, just confused children. Let's look at the next one.

Deborah: I want our government to develop covert operations that can

infiltrate their camps…

: That's a good one.

Deborah: And I want everything to be as it was on Monday, before this

happened.

: Yes. So, if the government went into every terrorist group and

wiped them out, then you'd be safe.

Deborah: From the terrorists, I would.

: Then you'd be safe from terrorism - is that true?

Deborah: I'd be safe from terrorism as defined by what they did to

the WTC.

: Oh, really! There are terrorists behind them that aren't even

identified. There are terrorists who don't even know they're

terrorists yet. There are the children of these terrorists, and the

beliefs about violence being the way to get what we want that we all

teach in our cultures. And their beliefs sound like yours.

Deborah: How do they sound like mine?

: They want us wiped out, according to you, and you want them

wiped out.

Deborah: Damn right. I want them to go to hell.

: Is that true?

Deborah, after a long pause: No.

: Turn it around.

Deborah, laughing and crying at the same time: I want them to go to

heaven. It's really hard for me to say this. I feel sick to my

stomach.

: Well, sweetheart, be still with it. Let it sink in. You know

what heaven is for me? You investigate this nightmare, and if another

nightmare comes, you investigate that one. Until eventually you give

yourself a happy life. If you have no problems, what's left? Heaven.

A happy life. A happy world. So, just work with the nightmares. And

as you investigate, you come to see that all thoughts are beautiful

when they're understood. And eventually, when you have the thought " I

want them to go to hell, " laughter could just pour out of you. Let's

look at the next one.

Deborah: They should understand that we're just like them.

: Is that true?

Deborah: Well, I'm supposed to understand that they're just like me.

: Good. And how many years has that taken?

Deborah: I'm not telling.

: Yes. But they should understand because I say so. I can't do

it, but they should. " They should understand " - is that true? How

does it feel when you think the thought that anyone in this world

should understand, and they don't?

Deborah: It's frustrating. Kind of arrogant, too. I'm always accusing

other people of being arrogant.

: Yes, and you turned out to be just like them.

Deborah, laughing: Especially my husband.

: I love that when we do The Work on terrorists, we come to see

that we are the terrorists in our own lives. Once we realize that, it

all begins to change on its own. It's fascinating that we realize it,

and it changes, and we don't have to do anything. " They should

understand " - Who would you be without that thought?

Deborah: I'd be more understanding.

: Here's understanding: I understand that they don't understand.

Anyone who's violent - I understand that they are very confused.

Again, no human being would ever harm anyone if they knew another

way. You know, a little child will say, " Give me that toy " and if the

other child doesn't, they may punch him. These little children

punched a building with thousands of people in it. They're confused.

You're the parent. You're the parent who can teach them. There are so

many people who, innocently, in their fear think that they want

revenge. You're our only hope. Let's look at the next one.

Deborah: We're not the enemy.

: Turn it around.

Deborah: We are the enemy.

: Get closer. Stop speaking for us. " I… "

Deborah: I am the enemy.

: You wanted them dead. You wanted them to go to hell. You

wanted to destroy their whole way of thinking. The enemy was you. And

it's about your own world, your own peace. You can begin with

yourself, your children and grandchildren and husband. Let's look at

the next one.

Deborah: I need them to leave us alone.

: Is that true?

Deborah: I'm not sure anymore.

: How do you react when you think that thought and you turn on

the news?

Deborah: Well, it doesn't help because the terrorists are there;

they're not leaving us alone.

: Turn it around.

Deborah: It really could be that I don't need them to leave us alone.

It could be.

: No one can take my peace from me. I'm the only one who can do

that. And how do I know that I need a terrorist? Here he comes. Let's

look at the next one.

Deborah: Well, it's more of the same. They shouldn't ever commit acts

of terrorism again. They should just go away, disappear.

: You need them to disappear - is that true?

Deborah: No. They're not even here right now.

: I love it that you noticed. They're not even here. There's

peace on earth for you now because you're noticing what is really

true. Let's look at the next one.

Deborah: They are inhuman.

: Is that true? Is it really true that they're inhuman?

Deborah: No, it's not. I feel pissed at saying that, but it really

isn't true.

: Turn it around.

Deborah: They're human.

: Of course they are. They're just confused, frightened human

beings. There's another turnaround. " I… "

Deborah: I am inhuman.

: I am inhuman in the moment I see them as inhuman. Feel how

uncomfortable that is. The feeling will let you know that you're in a

lie. The next one?

Deborah: That's all. That's all I've written.

: That's a lot, sweetheart. Thank you for this amazing piece of

Work. You've done it for all of us.

" Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron

October 15, 2004

Dear Matt,

yes, it looks like some discussions here are very philosphical,

problems, if adressed as such remain quite general, sometimes.

Of course you are invited to adress a problem, if you see one, or to

facilitate any problems you meet here.

And I hear that you would like to experience more facilitation - let it

be by you or someone else - on " works " .

I believe you know of the group doing-the-work where no

philosophical discussions seem to take place.

You may find some comfort there?

Love,

Am 15.10.2004 um 02:36 schrieb Matt Lamoreux:

> > Each of your posts appears to be very

> > unaccepting of a person's system of functioning or current level of

> > experience - each response seems to be prompting a person to jump

> into

> > ultimate Reality.

> >

> > Hey, feel free to drag me to ultimate Reality all you wish - but

> > please don't expect a response - I'm okay with level hopping and

> being

> > precisely where I am in this moment and just like you intellectually

> > brilliantly aware of exactly what I'm doin'!!!!

> >

>

> LOL ... very nice Jan

>

> ---When I first came to " The Work " , I was struck by it's simplicity.

> I saw

> beautiful interventions for people artfully formed, that helped with

> things

> like cancer, being left by your husband because he thinks you're too

> fat, or

> simply helping someone realize that they're tyrannizing people with

> how they

> think things should be. Hearing work with a Vietnam vet was

> cathartic

> for me. In that experience...the issues dealt with there were clear,

> the

> benefits immediately definable, the results obvious. Now I seem to be

> in the

> middle of a philosophical pissing contest, that ends every time on the

> ridiculously obvious assumption that everyone sees things

> differently...duh.

>

> ---I sympathize with you Jan, having to fend off any asshole who is

> trying

> to squeeze you into their box, and with words, zing you personally

> and then

> back out of that with " Well, that's your reality " . I also think that

> people

> who beat you to death with rote assumptions and hammer down with brain

> drudge the imprecise art of language to the point of embarrassed

> silence,

> are simply engaging in an intellectual circle jerk, and screw " my

> experience " ...like porn, I know an intellectual circle jerk when I

> see one.

> And the first person who says " That's your story " can kiss my ass.

> There...I

> thought that was clear enough. Now THAT was cathartic!

>

> ---Say...when was the last time someone was helped with a problem

> here?

> Obviously I missed it.

October 15, 2004

" Matt Lamoreux " wrote:

> Now I seem to be in the

> middle of a philosophical pissing contest, that ends every time on the

> ridiculously obvious assumption that everyone sees things

differently...duh.

We all share delusional thinking. Without one another, finding our

way out of our delusional thinking is quite impossible. Every event,

every moment is a sacred opportunity presented for me/you to undo

delusional thinking and see Truth.

> ---I sympathize with you Jan, having to fend off any asshole who is

trying to squeeze you into their box, and with words, zing you

personally and then back out of that with " Well, that's your reality " .

I also think that people who beat you to death with rote assumptions

and hammer down with brain drudge the imprecise art of language to the

point of embarrassed silence, are simply engaging in an intellectual

circle jerk, and screw " my experience " ...like porn, I know an

intellectual circle jerk when I see one.

Yes, I agree. I still react quite negatively when people appear to

wish to control rather than accept. I guess the reason it gets to me

so is because ... I'm still doing it inwardly to myself all the time -

or blatantly to others sometimes.

Every word outta my mouth is me asking you - can you love me? (okay

every so often I may actually extend love!!!) I'm beginning to

understand how deeply I love my belief system and if I can just get

you to share/agree with me then my mission has been accomplished - I

feel a connection ... a validation ... now it's a delusional

connection that will never bring the true happiness and love I'm

lookin' for, but zeeehah, how I do get a charge out of just such a

" connection " .

That 'connection' also keeps me from facing the horror of dropping the

delusion.

> And the first person who says " That's your story " can kiss my ass.

There...I thought that was clear enough. Now THAT was cathartic!

Oh Matt...do bend over...left or right cheek?

>

> ---Say...when was the last time someone was helped with a problem here?

> Obviously I missed it.

I hear you...I don't know - as I watch myself in this interchange I'm

observing so much valuable information about my own barriers (stories).

Blessings - Jan

October 16, 2004

Dear Matt,

yes, it looks like some discussions here are very philosphical,

problems, if adressed as such remain quite general, sometimes.

Of course you are invited to adress a problem, if you see one, or to

facilitate any problems you meet here.

And I hear that you would like to experience more facilitation - let it

be by you or someone else - on " works " .

I believe you know of the group doing-the-work where no

philosophical discussions seem to take place.

You may find some comfort there?

Love,

---I'm not looking for " comfort " (honest), nor do I care about

" facilitation " because I don't believe you can facilitate reality. I'm just

waiting for someone to take a thought laxative and spit out what they're

trying to say if you get my drift. My guess is the " other list " is not

nearly as entertaining as this one, and I'm almost certain it isn't as

densely mired in whatever the hell is going on here. I don't expect anyone

to " fix " reality, just give me a break and speak English once in a while.

I'm getting a head ache...and a back ache...and a butt ache.

October 16, 2004

---Ahhhhh...now that's what I'm talking about. YES!