Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 Sevi, Polysorbate-20 is an oil in water emulsifier derived by reacting sorbitan laurate with 20 moles of ethylene oxide. Sorbitan laurate is an ester that is formed by reacting sorbitan, which is sorbitol anhydride, an alcohol extracted from a type of corn, with lauric acid, a fatty acid derived from coconut oil. While these are the origins of the starting materials the name for this material whether from SnowDrift or otherwise will be Polysorbate-20 and you may not state anything other than this for you label. BTW, ethylene oxide is derived from petroleum, another natural raw material from the biomass. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Polysorbate 20 Hi all- I know that the subject was discussed and I did check the archives, but did not see this so I will ask, but forgive me if I somehow missed it in the archives ) I was wondering if anyone here could break down the Polysorbate 20 for me. I would like to know what is in it exactly (is that possible?). I did get a bottle of it from a supplier that has caused some stir here in the past so I won't mention any names ), but the label does not give the ingredients in it. Sorry if this is a dumb question and thank anyone that offer me some answers... Take care ) Sevi K Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 Hi and all- Thank you so much ) I did print this so I won't keep on asking - One more question. I know that this is a labeling issue, but does one not have to disclose all ingredients used in a product? Can someone label a shampoo like this: coconut and corn derived cleansing agents, food colorant, nut derived emulsifier etc. I put all the ingredients on our products and never heard of such a thing until someone actually showed me a bottle of something and I did not know what to say. I know about FDA reg., however my thoughts were how could one be sure if they are allergic to an ingredient when you call it " coconut derived cleansing agent or food colorant " ? I'm sure you all have discussed this issue, but I did not find it. I am sorry if I make you all repeat. Just tell me to be quite if necessary ) Thanks for all the help. Sevi K. > Sevi, > > Polysorbate-20 is an oil in water emulsifier derived by reacting sorbitan > laurate with 20 moles of ethylene oxide. Sorbitan laurate is an ester that > is formed by reacting sorbitan, which is sorbitol anhydride, an alcohol > extracted from a type of corn, with lauric acid, a fatty acid derived from > coconut oil. > While these are the origins of the starting materials the name for this > material whether from SnowDrift or otherwise will be Polysorbate-20 and you > may not state anything other than this for you label. BTW, ethylene oxide is > derived from petroleum, another natural raw material from the biomass. > > Young > KY Labs > Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products > www.kylabs.com > - Release Date: 9/18/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 > Can someone label a shampoo like this: coconut and corn derived > cleansing agents, food colorant, nut derived emulsifier etc. Sevi, I posted about this a week or so ago. You can find it in the archives under " Comments Please " and also the comments from Maurice and . It sounds like we are both talking about the same product. Pat. Peace, Joy, Serenity House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. pat@... www.houseofscents.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 Sevi, NO!! It is polysorbate-20. Any other name for this material is incorrect. The labeling regulations require that you use the CTFA Dictionary first for the proper name for an ingredient and this is the correct nomenclature as indicated in the CTFA Dictionary. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Re: Polysorbate 20 Hi and all- Thank you so much ) I did print this so I won't keep on asking - One more question. I know that this is a labeling issue, but does one not have to disclose all ingredients used in a product? Can someone label a shampoo like this: coconut and corn derived cleansing agents, food colorant, nut derived emulsifier etc. I put all the ingredients on our products and never heard of such a thing until someone actually showed me a bottle of something and I did not know what to say. I know about FDA reg., however my thoughts were how could one be sure if they are allergic to an ingredient when you call it " coconut derived cleansing agent or food colorant " ? I'm sure you all have discussed this issue, but I did not find it. I am sorry if I make you all repeat. Just tell me to be quite if necessary ) Thanks for all the help. Sevi K. > Sevi, > > Polysorbate-20 is an oil in water emulsifier derived by reacting sorbitan > laurate with 20 moles of ethylene oxide. Sorbitan laurate is an ester that > is formed by reacting sorbitan, which is sorbitol anhydride, an alcohol > extracted from a type of corn, with lauric acid, a fatty acid derived from > coconut oil. > While these are the origins of the starting materials the name for this > material whether from SnowDrift or otherwise will be Polysorbate-20 and you > may not state anything other than this for you label. BTW, ethylene oxide is > derived from petroleum, another natural raw material from the biomass. > > Young > KY Labs > Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products > www.kylabs.com > - Release Date: 9/18/2001 Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 > How can people than use something like this on the label? I know > how...they have not been caught yet or that there is a loop hole in > my industry - the pet industry. It is my understanding that animal grooming aids are not considered cosmetics and proper ingredient disclosure is not required. But I am with you, proper labeling is important in grooming aids too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 Hi , How can people than use something like this on the label? I know how...they have not been caught yet or that there is a loop hole in my industry - the pet industry. Anyhow, on our labels we use the correct nomenclature of each ingredient. I will stick with that ) Thank you so much for all your help... Sevi > > Sevi, > > > > Polysorbate-20 is an oil in water emulsifier derived by reacting > sorbitan > > laurate with 20 moles of ethylene oxide. Sorbitan laurate is an > ester that > > is formed by reacting sorbitan, which is sorbitol anhydride, an > alcohol > > extracted from a type of corn, with lauric acid, a fatty acid > derived from > > coconut oil. > > While these are the origins of the starting materials the name for > this > > material whether from SnowDrift or otherwise will be Polysorbate- 20 > and you > > may not state anything other than this for you label. BTW, ethylene > oxide is > > derived from petroleum, another natural raw material from the > biomass. > > > > Young > > KY Labs > > Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products > > www.kylabs.com > > > - Release Date: 9/18/2001 > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo@y... > Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe@y... > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe@y... > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner@y... > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 Hi , Yes we think alike. I do not think anyone needs to hide the ingredients, more so since human beings are in contact with these products, we in the pet industry have a huge responsibility to make things as safe as we can. Thanks for all your help as well. Sevi > > How can people than use something like this on the label? I know > > how...they have not been caught yet or that there is a loop hole in > > my industry - the pet industry. > > > It is my understanding that animal grooming aids are not considered > cosmetics and proper ingredient disclosure is not required. But I am with > you, proper labeling is important in grooming aids too! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 Pat, Thank you! Great posts from and Maurice. Got lost in the middle almost. Wonderful wonderful forum and very helpful people. Thank you very much to all of you. Sevi > > Can someone label a shampoo like this: coconut and corn derived > > cleansing agents, food colorant, nut derived emulsifier etc. > > Sevi, I posted about this a week or so ago. You can find it in the archives > under " Comments Please " and also the comments from Maurice and . It > sounds like we are both talking about the same product. > > Pat. > > Peace, Joy, Serenity > House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. > pat@h... > www.houseofscents.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 Sevi, Like you said, they just haven't been caught yet. You know, it is the few bad apples that will ultimately ruin the relaxed regulation that the industry enjoys by pushing and flaunting the rules and regulations as they do. Once the FDA clamps down on the industry then no one will be very happy. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Re: Polysorbate 20 Hi , How can people than use something like this on the label? I know how...they have not been caught yet or that there is a loop hole in my industry - the pet industry. Anyhow, on our labels we use the correct nomenclature of each ingredient. I will stick with that ) Thank you so much for all your help... Sevi > > Sevi, > > > > Polysorbate-20 is an oil in water emulsifier derived by reacting > sorbitan > > laurate with 20 moles of ethylene oxide. Sorbitan laurate is an > ester that > > is formed by reacting sorbitan, which is sorbitol anhydride, an > alcohol > > extracted from a type of corn, with lauric acid, a fatty acid > derived from > > coconut oil. > > While these are the origins of the starting materials the name for > this > > material whether from SnowDrift or otherwise will be Polysorbate- 20 > and you > > may not state anything other than this for you label. BTW, ethylene > oxide is > > derived from petroleum, another natural raw material from the > biomass. > > > > Young > > KY Labs > > Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products > > www.kylabs.com > > > - Release Date: 9/18/2001 > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo@y... > Subscribe: Cosmeticinfo-subscribe@y... > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe@y... > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner@y... > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2001 Report Share Posted September 27, 2001 Hear, hear! I do a line of products for horses, and while I am not required to list all the ingredients, I do for several reasons: Mainly because I use very high quality ingredients and I want people to know why they are paying a premium for them. The other reason is I like to know what I am putting on MY animals, and I know my customers do as well. Otherwise they would just buy the cheaper products. JM2C Heidi ----- Original Message ----- > Yes we think alike. I do not think anyone needs to hide the > ingredients, more so since human beings are in contact with these > products, we in the pet industry have a huge responsibility to make > things as safe as we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Hi, I am getting ready to make some linen spray, monster sprays and so on. I plan on using half water half alcohol and a little eo or fo to scent. How much polysorbate 20 do I need to add. After I ordered this I say on another list that polysorbate 80 would have worked better. Don't know for sure now if I bought the right stuff. I just want the oil and water to mix with the alcohol. Thanks. DearMesuds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 How > much polysorbate 20 do I need to add. You may not need polysorbate. I would try it first without and see if it separates out after a couple of days. If it does, try equal amounts of poly and eo and mix until clear. Add that to the alcohol mixing it in well and then add the water last. Keep mixing until everything is clear. If it doesn't clear up, you need more poly. If it is clear, you could experiment using less poly until you find the exact amount you need for it to work with the oils you are using. Pat. Peace, Joy, Serenity House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. pat@... www.houseofscents.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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