Re: Scientists identify brain's 'trust machinery'

[Guest guest]

Interesting study. It seems like they are talking about natural levels of oxytocin. I wonder if they could tell the difference between a "normal" brain and the brains of those who have learned not to trust people through personal experience?

In a message dated 5/22/2008 3:16:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

Washington, May 22: Researchers at the University of Zurich claim that they have found the 'trust machinery' of the brain. Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.

[Guest guest]

There are very few people that I actually trust, but even then I do have my times of paranoia about them. None of them are family, though. Sad to say, but I trust them the least because they haven't proven to be very trustworthy at all.

I agree with you though. It is best not to trust people too much. Most people are out for themselves, which needn't be a bad thing. Adam would refer to "Enlightened Self-Interest" which means doing what is best for yourself without harming anyone else, more or less. In other words, if you opened a business because it would be in your interest to make a living pursuing your desires and talents (and it was legal), then do so, but at the same time, don't cheat your customers. So many people though operate just out of greed and getting for them regardless of the cost.

Take my mother for example. I took out a mortgage on what was left of the mortgage on the house since I could get a better rate than what she had. The agreement was that when we sold the house in a few years, she would pay me back for the full value of the mortgage I took out. Now, however, she is talking about getting a reverse mortgage, which will essentially give the house to the bank. I'm going to be talking to my own lawyer about that to see what could happen about it. Still, I won't put it past her to try to cheat me again. She tries to cheat everyone when it comes to money. If she does and I won't be getting my investment back, I'll probably move to Alabama and leave her to pay off the mortgage, because the house was the collateral, not my income. We'll just have to see how that turns out.

In a message dated 5/22/2008 4:21:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

Personally, I have been had so many times that I do not trust anyone anymore. So I suppose yefars ago before all the abuse started, I would have been considered "normal" but now I would be viewed as a basket case that needs to be medicated.AdministratorGet trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.

[Guest guest]

" Interesting study. It seems like they are talking about natural levels

of oxytocin. I wonder if they could tell the difference between

a " normal " brain and the brains of those who have learned not to trust

people through personal experience? "

I doubt they can, and I also doubt whether or not they know there is a

type of person out there that is too trusting.

Personally, I have been had so many times that I do not trust anyone

anymore. So I suppose yefars ago before all the abuse started, I would

have been considered " normal " but now I would be viewed as a basket

case that needs to be medicated.

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[Guest guest]

> I doubt they can, and I also doubt whether or not they know there is a

> type of person out there that is too trusting.

I use to be that way.

> Personally, I have been had so many times that I do not trust anyone

> anymore.

I still trust some people, but I prefer to think in terms of degrees

of trust. I have low trust in areas where someone is highly tempted.

For example, I trust my two best friends about 95% to cover my back if

any of our colleagues tried to run me down when I'm not around.

They're both great fathers and caring individuals, so I trust them

about 95% around my children. However, since they're guys, and they're

entering their middle years (ie. possibility of mid-life crisis

factors in here), I trust them about 0.015% around my wife. So, they

rarely see or talk to my wife, unless their wives are present.

>

> " Interesting study. It seems like they are talking about natural levels

> of oxytocin. I wonder if they could tell the difference between

> a " normal " brain and the brains of those who have learned not to trust

> people through personal experience? "

>

> I doubt they can, and I also doubt whether or not they know there is a

> type of person out there that is too trusting.

>

> Personally, I have been had so many times that I do not trust anyone

> anymore. So I suppose yefars ago before all the abuse started, I would

> have been considered " normal " but now I would be viewed as a basket

> case that needs to be medicated.

>

>

> Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

" Take my mother for example. I took out a mortgage on what was left

of the mortgage on the house since I could get a better rate than

what she had. The agreement was that when we sold the house in a few

years, she would pay me back for the full value of the mortgage I

took out. Now, however, she is talking about getting a reverse

mortgage, which will essentially give the house to the bank. I'm

going to be talking to my own lawyer about that to see what could

happen about it. Still, I won't put it past her to try to cheat me

again. She tries to cheat everyone when it comes to money. If she

does and I won't be getting my investment back, I'll probably move to

Alabama and leave her to pay off the mortgage, because the house was

the collateral, not my income. We'll just have to see how that turns

out. "

Reverse mortgages are stupid. In essence, it's money in the pocket

now and no place to live later.

Don't let her rook you. Personally, if she did, I would never talk to

her again if I were you.

I don't see what her problem is anyway. Even though you have been

living with her all these years, you have in essence been

contributing to her support and welfare. If anything, she ought to

honor the deal you made.

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[Guest guest]

I did some research on the reverse mortgages and it can be set up so that you don't sign away the house. You can't take the full value of house by the mortgage anyway, and you can still sell the house later or leave it to someone in an estate. The thing is that if you sell or whatever, the difference left on the reverse mortgage has to be paid back to the lender.

That would mean that it could be set up for a lump sum that would pay most or all of the mortgage I hold on the house to free up some of my income, but also give a monthly income to her. If we move in a few years, we could sell the house and use part of the proceeds to clear the balance on the reverse mortgage and still have money left over.

I looked at interest only loans, and getting one on the house would cost more in monthly payments then what I an paying now on the house.

Suffice it to say, I have talked to my lawyer about it and he is going to be doing some research into both of these things. He is also going to talk to some people who know more about them than I do. However, based on what I have seen, the reverse mortgage doesn't look too bad, particularly since it doesn't mean losing the house. Whichever route we take, I am going to get everything crystal clear in writing so I don't get cheated again.

In a message dated 5/23/2008 12:37:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

Reverse mortgages are stupid. In essence, it's money in the pocket now and no place to live later. Don't let her rook you. Personally, if she did, I would never talk to her again if I were you. I don't see what her problem is anyway. Even though you have been living with her all these years, you have in essence been contributing to her support and welfare. If anything, she ought to honor the deal you made.AdministratorGet trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.

[Guest guest]

>

> I doubt they can, and I also doubt whether or not they know there

is a

> type of person out there that is too trusting.

>

> Personally, I have been had so many times that I do not trust

anyone

> anymore. So I suppose years ago before all the abuse started, I

would

> have been considered " normal " but now I would be viewed as a basket

> case that needs to be medicated.

>

>

> Administrator

>

Oh there is a type of person that is too trusting (a child with downs

syndrome) I am not sure I like the theroy of this study, many of us

do not trust for very valid reasons (we should be allowed our

reservation) Could they be confusing rigid need for structure with

trust? Trust is easy; one should earn it. If they cannot they

should stop trying to lie to people. What we need is more

trustworthy people and less alteration of defense mecanisms.

[Guest guest]

>

> " Take my mother for example. I took out a mortgage on what was left

> of the mortgage on the house since I could get a better rate than

> what she had. The agreement was that when we sold the house in a

few

> years, she would pay me back for the full value of the mortgage I

> took out. Now, however, she is talking about getting a reverse

> mortgage, which will essentially give the house to the bank. I'm

> going to be talking to my own lawyer about that to see what could

> happen about it. Still, I won't put it past her to try to cheat me

> again. She tries to cheat everyone when it comes to money. If she

> does and I won't be getting my investment back, I'll probably move

to

> Alabama and leave her to pay off the mortgage, because the house

was

> the collateral, not my income. We'll just have to see how that

turns

> out. "

>

> Reverse mortgages are stupid. In essence, it's money in the pocket

> now and no place to live later.

>

> Don't let her rook you. Personally, if she did, I would never talk

to

> her again if I were you.

>

> I don't see what her problem is anyway. Even though you have been

> living with her all these years, you have in essence been

> contributing to her support and welfare. If anything, she ought to

> honor the deal you made.

>

>

> Administrator

>

I agree with Tom, perhaps I am reading into your life but I think

your mother enjoys her " value added " you keep things ship shape, do

all the " man " chores etc etc. I think her gimme attitude is

manipulative and wrong. (likely she is trying to do something else

entirely) either oblivious or she somehow wants you to be " tied " to

her with no means of escape or personhood. I have seen mothers do

this before(makes me angry)

[Guest guest]

Could be. There is a person near here with fetal alcohol syndrome which present sort of like Down's, at least in his case. He does seem to be very trusting and doesn't really sense danger. Then again, I've never seen him really threatened either, so I don't know how he might react to a real situation.

Oh there is a type of person that is too trusting (a child with downs syndrome) I am not sure I like the theroy of this study, many of us do not trust for very valid reasons (we should be allowed our reservation) Could they be confusing rigid need for structure with trust? Trust is easy; one should earn it. If they cannot they should stop trying to lie to people. What we need is more trustworthy people and less alteration of defense mecanisms.Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.