Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Shravan, thank you for posting this. I'm real curious about the Isokinator, and am wondering what the advantages would be to using it as opposed to just using a piece of rope like you did, or even one of those little elastic exercisers shaped like a figure 8 that you see in the stores. From what I've pieced together from the pictures and such on the Isokinator site, you apparently pull out the straps against resistance provided by a spring, and then while maintaining the tension, you move through various positions, etc. It looks like the Isokinator has a gauge to measure the tension being exerted, so you can measure your progress? I'd like to know if there's anything else it does that couldn't be done with a length of rope or elastic exercise band that would justify the price. I'm also wondering how far out you can pull the straps. Can anyone who has an Exxerwatch fill us in with some details? Really, my curiosity is killing me, lol. > > Here is a comparision between iskinator, bullworker and steelbow. > > http://www.isoworker.com/isokinator+versus > > > The following are the advantages of isokinator. > > automatic cardio vascular exercise after 6 seconds. > Muscle blood flow 32 fold increase for up to 6 hours. > Brain blood flow increases by 40%. > deep muscular massage to the intestines and stimulation of the inner > organs. > Fat burning 48 hour after burning. > > > I bought isokinator manual over their website few days back > and want to give a try of these exercises to test the effectiveness > before I buy the equipment. Isokinator or steel bow is great do these > exercises but you can do it with a piece of rope also. The only > constraint is you should maintain tension through out the range. > Today is the second day of training. I did 3 sets of 10 reps each. > These are my observations. > > I am getting the same pump of high rep low-tension training I > do at gym. > Today before exercise my biceps measured 15.5 after 30 > minutes of training it measured to 16.25 inches. > > For bodybuilding the pump is of substantial importance and is > something to pursue. This also attests its effectiveness on blood > flow increase. Here is my question. In the comparison chart I don't > see any of these advantages under steel bow. If steel bow isomotion > is an extension of isokinator exercise then this is wrong. In > Isokinator manual gert lists 7 male exercises and 20 advanced > exercises out of which some are the variation of the same exercise. I > find around 13 useful exercises over all.How many isomotion exercises > steel bow has? Is it similar to the one listed in exxerwatch manual. > I would appreciate if any of the steel bow users share their > experience with isomotion. After experiencing the pump I got from > these exercises there is one thought in my mind. Man this guy gert > klbel is a genius in exercise science. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Ronn, If isokinator produces muscle gain as it claims it can substitute expensive gym membership. We can use elastic exerciser for few sessions it won’t last long as strength develop with regular workout. Regarding the price I feel steel bow or isokinator are very cheap when compared to other isometric home gym in the market like explosive fitness and one rep gym. These machines cost more than 3000$. My only concern is its effectiveness in developing muscle mass. Even though lifting weights at gym is a proven way to develop muscles there is nothing like having a gym at home. For guys like me who travel a lot bullworker isokinator are GODsend.Ronn wrote: Shravan, thank you for posting this. I'm real curious about theIsokinator, and am wondering what the advantages would be to using itas opposed to just using a piece of rope like you did, or even one ofthose little elastic exercisers shaped like a figure 8 that you see inthe stores. From what I've pieced together from the pictures and suchon the Isokinator site, you apparently pull out the straps againstresistance provided by a spring, and then while maintaining thetension, you move through various positions, etc. It looks like theIsokinator has a gauge to measure the tension being exerted, so youcan measure your progress? I'd like to know if there's anything elseit does that couldn't be done with a length of rope or elasticexercise band that would justify the price. I'm also wondering how farout you can pull the straps.Can anyone who has an Exxerwatch fill us in with some details? Really,my curiosity is killing me, lol.>> Here is a comparision between iskinator, bullworker and steelbow.> > http://www.isoworker.com/isokinator+versus> > > The following are the advantages of isokinator.> > automatic cardio vascular exercise after 6 seconds. > Muscle blood flow 32 fold increase for up to 6 hours. > Brain blood flow increases by 40%.> deep muscular massage to the intestines and stimulation of the inner > organs.> Fat burning 48 hour after burning.> > > I bought isokinator manual over their website few days back > and want to give a try of these exercises to test the effectiveness > before I buy the equipment. Isokinator or steel bow is great do these > exercises but you can do it with a piece of rope also. The only > constraint is you should maintain tension through out the range. > Today is the second day of training. I did 3 sets of 10 reps each. > These are my observations.> > I am getting the same pump of high rep low-tension training I > do at gym.> Today before exercise my biceps measured 15.5 after 30 > minutes of training it measured to 16.25 inches.> > For bodybuilding the pump is of substantial importance and is > something to pursue. This also attests its effectiveness on blood > flow increase. Here is my question. In the comparison chart I don't > see any of these advantages under steel bow. If steel bow isomotion > is an extension of isokinator exercise then this is wrong. In > Isokinator manual gert lists 7 male exercises and 20 advanced > exercises out of which some are the variation of the same exercise. I > find around 13 useful exercises over all.How many isomotion exercises > steel bow has? Is it similar to the one listed in exxerwatch manual. > I would appreciate if any of the steel bow users share their > experience with isomotion. After experiencing the pump I got from > these exercises there is one thought in my mind. Man this guy gert > klbel is a genius in exercise science.> Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 ISOKINATOR is the ISOKINETIC hand held exerciser from the " godfather of fitness " Gert Kolbel ...inventor of the Bullworker. I will be please to ask Gert to respond to your queries concerning ISOKINATOR and the appliance of science that wakes it work. Following recent posts on the forum I asked Gert to give us a precise definition of ISOKINETIC exercising and he responds as follows; Q? What does Isokinetic Training mean? Isokinetic means an absolute equal resistance for the muscles at all points of the exercise movement. ISOKINATOR delivers a ISOKINETIC resistance throughout the entire slow motion exercises and the DESMONDROMIC effect means that the resistance is CONSTANT throughout the TURNING points of the exercise. I hope this helps, keep posting and I will ask Gert for his response to your queries. Regards Larry (ISOWORKER) > > > > Here is a comparision between iskinator, bullworker and steelbow. > > > > http://www.isoworker.com/isokinator+versus > > > > > > The following are the advantages of isokinator. > > > > automatic cardio vascular exercise after 6 seconds. > > Muscle blood flow 32 fold increase for up to 6 hours. > > Brain blood flow increases by 40%. > > deep muscular massage to the intestines and stimulation of the inner > > organs. > > Fat burning 48 hour after burning. > > > > > > I bought isokinator manual over their website few days back > > and want to give a try of these exercises to test the effectiveness > > before I buy the equipment. Isokinator or steel bow is great do these > > exercises but you can do it with a piece of rope also. The only > > constraint is you should maintain tension through out the range. > > Today is the second day of training. I did 3 sets of 10 reps each. > > These are my observations. > > > > I am getting the same pump of high rep low-tension training I > > do at gym. > > Today before exercise my biceps measured 15.5 after 30 > > minutes of training it measured to 16.25 inches. > > > > For bodybuilding the pump is of substantial importance and is > > something to pursue. This also attests its effectiveness on blood > > flow increase. Here is my question. In the comparison chart I don't > > see any of these advantages under steel bow. If steel bow isomotion > > is an extension of isokinator exercise then this is wrong. In > > Isokinator manual gert lists 7 male exercises and 20 advanced > > exercises out of which some are the variation of the same exercise. I > > find around 13 useful exercises over all.How many isomotion exercises > > steel bow has? Is it similar to the one listed in exxerwatch manual. > > I would appreciate if any of the steel bow users share their > > experience with isomotion. After experiencing the pump I got from > > these exercises there is one thought in my mind. Man this guy gert > > klbel is a genius in exercise science. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Thanks Larry.larryvince wrote: ISOKINATOR is the ISOKINETIC hand held exerciser from the "godfatherof fitness" Gert Kolbel ...inventor of the Bullworker. I will be please to ask Gert to respond to your queries concerningISOKINATOR and the appliance of science that wakes it work. Following recent posts on the forum I asked Gert to give us a precisedefinition of ISOKINETIC exercising and he responds as follows;Q? What does Isokinetic Training mean?Isokinetic means an absolute equal resistance for the muscles at allpoints of the exercise movement.ISOKINATOR delivers a ISOKINETIC resistance throughout the entire slowmotion exercises and the DESMONDROMIC effect means that the resistanceis CONSTANT throughout the TURNING points of the exercise.I hope this helps, keep posting and I will ask Gert for his responseto your queries.RegardsLarry (ISOWORKER)> >> > Here is a comparision between iskinator, bullworker and steelbow.> > > > http://www.isoworker.com/isokinator+versus> > > > > > The following are the advantages of isokinator.> > > > automatic cardio vascular exercise after 6 seconds. > > Muscle blood flow 32 fold increase for up to 6 hours. > > Brain blood flow increases by 40%.> > deep muscular massage to the intestines and stimulation of the inner > > organs.> > Fat burning 48 hour after burning.> > > > > > I bought isokinator manual over their website few days back > > and want to give a try of these exercises to test the effectiveness > > before I buy the equipment. Isokinator or steel bow is great do these > > exercises but you can do it with a piece of rope also. The only > > constraint is you should maintain tension through out the range. > > Today is the second day of training. I did 3 sets of 10 reps each. > > These are my observations.> > > > I am getting the same pump of high rep low-tension training I > > do at gym.> > Today before exercise my biceps measured 15.5 after 30 > > minutes of training it measured to 16.25 inches.> > > > For bodybuilding the pump is of substantial importance and is > > something to pursue. This also attests its effectiveness on blood > > flow increase. Here is my question. In the comparison chart I don't > > see any of these advantages under steel bow. If steel bow isomotion > > is an extension of isokinator exercise then this is wrong. In > > Isokinator manual gert lists 7 male exercises and 20 advanced > > exercises out of which some are the variation of the same exercise. I > > find around 13 useful exercises over all.How many isomotion exercises > > steel bow has? Is it similar to the one listed in exxerwatch manual. > > I would appreciate if any of the steel bow users share their > > experience with isomotion. After experiencing the pump I got from > > these exercises there is one thought in my mind. Man this guy gert > > klbel is a genius in exercise science.> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews atYahoo! Games.> It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 NO offense to Gert but that is not the definition that the rest of the world uses for isokinetic. See below. Isokinetic exercise This form of exercise is in contrast to the other forms in that it permits maximum muscle contraction throughout the full range of joint movement. You will often seen it referred to as `accommodating resistance exercise' (a term first introduced by Hislop and Perrine, 1967). The resistance is now variable in proportion to the change in muscular capability at every point in the range of motion. The variation is controlled so that at all times it equals the product of the muscular strength. There are two major types of machine available to offer isokinetic exercise. Type 1 - an active dynamometer (the most familiar to clinicians) In this type of exercise the speed is controlled whilst resistance is variable according to the amount of force throughout the range of movement. No matter how much force the individual applies the speed does not change. Thus the motion of the body segment is kept at a predetermined velocity. Type 2 - utilizes a change in the moment arm of the selected resistance to coincide with the change in moment arm of the muscle effort and the change in tension due to muscle length change. The resistance thus accommodates the continuous changes in muscle force which occur throughout the range of movement. The changes in the resistance arm on the machine are determined and pre-set to coincide with the average strength curves for various joint actions (obviously this involves a different machine for each movement). > > > > > > Here is a comparision between iskinator, bullworker and steelbow. > > > > > > http://www.isoworker.com/isokinator+versus > > > > > > > > > The following are the advantages of isokinator. > > > > > > automatic cardio vascular exercise after 6 seconds. > > > Muscle blood flow 32 fold increase for up to 6 hours. > > > Brain blood flow increases by 40%. > > > deep muscular massage to the intestines and stimulation of the inner > > > organs. > > > Fat burning 48 hour after burning. > > > > > > > > > I bought isokinator manual over their website few days back > > > and want to give a try of these exercises to test the effectiveness > > > before I buy the equipment. Isokinator or steel bow is great do these > > > exercises but you can do it with a piece of rope also. The only > > > constraint is you should maintain tension through out the range. > > > Today is the second day of training. I did 3 sets of 10 reps each. > > > These are my observations. > > > > > > I am getting the same pump of high rep low-tension training I > > > do at gym. > > > Today before exercise my biceps measured 15.5 after 30 > > > minutes of training it measured to 16.25 inches. > > > > > > For bodybuilding the pump is of substantial importance and is > > > something to pursue. This also attests its effectiveness on blood > > > flow increase. Here is my question. In the comparison chart I don't > > > see any of these advantages under steel bow. If steel bow isomotion > > > is an extension of isokinator exercise then this is wrong. In > > > Isokinator manual gert lists 7 male exercises and 20 advanced > > > exercises out of which some are the variation of the same exercise. I > > > find around 13 useful exercises over all.How many isomotion exercises > > > steel bow has? Is it similar to the one listed in exxerwatch manual. > > > I would appreciate if any of the steel bow users share their > > > experience with isomotion. After experiencing the pump I got from > > > these exercises there is one thought in my mind. Man this guy gert > > > klbel is a genius in exercise science. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > Yahoo! Games. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Well I ordered one and I can't wait for it to arrive. They said to wait tree weeks for delivery. I can't imagine how they could create true isokinetic resistance in a device that size. There was a device on the market several years ago that claimed to give isokinetc resistance that was about that size. It used a fly wheel that couldn't deliver sufficient resistance to build strength-it waa a toy. > > > > > > > > Here is a comparision between iskinator, bullworker and > steelbow. > > > > > > > > http://www.isoworker.com/isokinator+versus > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the advantages of isokinator. > > > > > > > > automatic cardio vascular exercise after 6 seconds. > > > > Muscle blood flow 32 fold increase for up to 6 hours. > > > > Brain blood flow increases by 40%. > > > > deep muscular massage to the intestines and stimulation of the > inner > > > > organs. > > > > Fat burning 48 hour after burning. > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought isokinator manual over their website few days back > > > > and want to give a try of these exercises to test the > effectiveness > > > > before I buy the equipment. Isokinator or steel bow is great do > these > > > > exercises but you can do it with a piece of rope also. The only > > > > constraint is you should maintain tension through out the > range. > > > > Today is the second day of training. I did 3 sets of 10 reps > each. > > > > These are my observations. > > > > > > > > I am getting the same pump of high rep low-tension training I > > > > do at gym. > > > > Today before exercise my biceps measured 15.5 after 30 > > > > minutes of training it measured to 16.25 inches. > > > > > > > > For bodybuilding the pump is of substantial importance and is > > > > something to pursue. This also attests its effectiveness on > blood > > > > flow increase. Here is my question. In the comparison chart I > don't > > > > see any of these advantages under steel bow. If steel bow > isomotion > > > > is an extension of isokinator exercise then this is wrong. In > > > > Isokinator manual gert lists 7 male exercises and 20 advanced > > > > exercises out of which some are the variation of the same > exercise. I > > > > find around 13 useful exercises over all.How many isomotion > exercises > > > > steel bow has? Is it similar to the one listed in exxerwatch > manual. > > > > I would appreciate if any of the steel bow users share their > > > > experience with isomotion. After experiencing the pump I got > from > > > > these exercises there is one thought in my mind. Man this guy > gert > > > > klbel is a genius in exercise science. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > > Yahoo! Games. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > It's here! Your new message! > > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 > > NO offense to Gert but that is not the definition that the rest of > the world uses for isokinetic. > > See below. > > > Isokinetic exercise > > This form of exercise is in contrast to the other forms in that it > permits maximum muscle contraction throughout the full range of joint > movement. You will often seen it referred to as `accommodating > resistance exercise' (a term first introduced by Hislop and Perrine, > 1967). The resistance is now variable in proportion to the change in > muscular capability at every point in the range of motion. The > variation is controlled so that at all times it equals the product of > the muscular strength. > > There are two major types of machine available to offer isokinetic > exercise. > > Type 1 - an active dynamometer (the most familiar to clinicians) In > this type of exercise the speed is controlled whilst resistance is > variable according to the amount of force throughout the range of > movement. No matter how much force the individual applies the speed > does not change. Thus the motion of the body segment is kept at a > predetermined velocity. > I thought a dynamometer was intended as a *measuring* device, not an " exercise " device. > Type 2 - utilizes a change in the moment arm of the selected > resistance to coincide with the change in moment arm of the muscle > effort and the change in tension due to muscle length change. The > resistance thus accommodates the continuous changes in muscle force > which occur throughout the range of movement. > > The changes in the resistance arm on the machine are determined and > pre-set to coincide with the average strength curves for various > joint actions (obviously this involves a different machine for each > movement). > > Can't you get isokinetic-type resistance via gas-filled cylinders and pistons? Since it's a fluid medium, the resistance should theoretically be a " damping " force proportional to velocity. (I.e., the faster you try to move, the more it resists -- like when you move the flat of your hand through water.) That would imply that with the exceptions of the very beginning and very end of the ROM (where there is no velocity), the resistance should always closely accommodate itself to the force the muscles apply in attempting to always move as quickly as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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