Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 For thosewho experience joint pain from exercising, I found the following posted by a guy who uses the Bullworker and he has arthritis. For anyone who has seen 's negative posts concerning the Bullworker causing tendonitis, etc., ( he must have really weak joints ), read this: The Bullworker... In the previous years I have strength trained using the Soloflex Muscle Machine and Russian Kettlebells. This past winter I have really begun to feel the arthritis I have been diagnosed with about 6 years ago. Both the Soloflex and kettlebells have been causing greater and greater joint pain over the years. Even push ups, a staple of my workouts since I was about 13 have become painful. I am back to using kettlebells (see below), but am still using my Bullworker dutifully also. What I have done, and it seems to be working quite well, is started using a Bullworker: www.thebullworker.com , or www.bullworker.com (UK). The Bullworker can be used both isometrically and isotonically. I am finding that I can get a good strength workout with this product, but not get the joint soreness that I was having before. I picked my Bullworker up on www.ebay.com. I'll keep this site updated concerning my workouts with this piece of equipment. Also available at www.thepitbullgym.com is another version that has reached the market. It is quite similar to the above Bullworker X5 except it uses the cables instead of straps. . I have not used either of these newer models. The model I purchased on eBay was manufactured approximately 1971-1972. But it still does the job it was designed to do. More can be learned about the Bullworker at www.forum.bullworker.com . Hope to see you there. Good luck with your workouts, whatever device you might use. Jon Nostalgia Why am I partial to the Bullworker now? Nostalgia. I had not even thought of this type of exercise for 20 years until I came across them on the www. I remember my pop's best friend had a Bullworker and traveled across Africa and the Middle East with it while working for Bechtel. He swore by it. TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 , I am unclear. What did say in regard to the BW and joint pain? Thanks > > For thosewho experience joint pain from exercising, I found the following posted by a guy who uses the Bullworker and he has arthritis. > For anyone who has seen 's negative posts concerning the Bullworker causing tendonitis, etc., ( he must have really weak joints ), read this: > > > The Bullworker... > In the previous years I have strength trained using the Soloflex Muscle Machine and Russian Kettlebells. This past winter I have really begun to feel the arthritis I have been diagnosed with about 6 years ago. Both the Soloflex and kettlebells have been causing greater and greater joint pain over the years. Even push ups, a staple of my workouts since I was about 13 have become painful. > I am back to using kettlebells (see below), but am still using my Bullworker dutifully also. > What I have done, and it seems to be working quite well, is started using a Bullworker: www.thebullworker.com , or www.bullworker.com (UK). The Bullworker can be used both isometrically and isotonically. I am finding that I can get a good strength workout with this product, but not get the joint soreness that I was having before. I picked my Bullworker up on www.ebay.com. > I'll keep this site updated concerning my workouts with this piece of equipment. > > Also available at www.thepitbullgym.com is another version that has reached the market. It is quite similar to the above Bullworker X5 except it uses the cables instead of straps. > . > I have not used either of these newer models. The model I purchased on eBay was manufactured approximately 1971-1972. But it still does the job it was designed to do. More can be learned about the Bullworker at www.forum.bullworker.com . Hope to see you there. > Good luck with your workouts, whatever device you might use. > Jon > > > > Nostalgia > Why am I partial to the Bullworker now? > Nostalgia. I had not even thought of this type of exercise for 20 years until I came across them on the www. I remember my pop's best friend had a Bullworker and traveled across Africa and the Middle East with it while working for Bechtel. > He swore by it. > > > > > --------------------------------- > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out " Tonight's Picks " on Yahoo! TV. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 I got that site in the other Bullworker Forum, , but don't have it now. In the Bronzebow Forum, under Isometrics, goes on about how others try to completely compress the Bullworker and get hurt, how some users have developed tendonits, joint pain, etc.using the Bullworker. He claims he never used the Bullworker, but this is what others are telling him. He claims regular isometrics are better. Yet he "endorses" another Bullworker . How he can endorse a product without ever using it is beyond me. He blows a lot of hot air, IMO. Richrrbelloff wrote: ,I am unclear. What did say in regard to the BW and joint pain?Thanks>> For thosewho experience joint pain from exercising, I found thefollowing posted by a guy who uses the Bullworker and he has arthritis.> For anyone who has seen 's negative posts concerningthe Bullworker causing tendonitis, etc., ( he must have really weakjoints ), read this:> > > The Bullworker... > In the previous years I have strength trained using the SoloflexMuscle Machine and Russian Kettlebells. This past winter I havereally begun to feel the arthritis I have been diagnosed with about 6years ago. Both the Soloflex and kettlebells have been causinggreater and greater joint pain over the years. Even push ups, astaple of my workouts since I was about 13 have become painful.> I am back to using kettlebells (see below), but am still using myBullworker dutifully also.> What I have done, and it seems to be working quite well, isstarted using a Bullworker: www.thebullworker.com , orwww.bullworker.com (UK). The Bullworker can be used bothisometrically and isotonically. I am finding that I can get a goodstrength workout with this product, but not get the joint sorenessthat I was having before. I picked my Bullworker up on www.ebay.com. > I'll keep this site updated concerning my workouts with this pieceof equipment.> > Also available at www.thepitbullgym.com is another version thathas reached the market. It is quite similar to the above BullworkerX5 except it uses the cables instead of straps.> ..> I have not used either of these newer models. The model Ipurchased on eBay was manufactured approximately 1971-1972. But itstill does the job it was designed to do. More can be learned aboutthe Bullworker at www.forum.bullworker.com . Hope to see you there.> Good luck with your workouts, whatever device you might use.> Jon> > > > Nostalgia > Why am I partial to the Bullworker now? > Nostalgia. I had not even thought of this type of exercise for 20years until I came across them on the www. I remember my pop's bestfriend had a Bullworker and traveled across Africa and the Middle Eastwith it while working for Bechtel.> He swore by it.> > > > > ---------------------------------> TV dinner still cooling?> Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.> It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Well, tendonitis is a risk to any tendon with any form of exercise or muscle work. IMHO isometric work carries a slightly higher risk of tendonitis as the forces on the tendon CAN be higher than say, when one does a pushup. Therefore, the old technique of slowly building up the iso contraction tends to prevent this injury from occuring and makes sense to me. Better to be conservative when a tendo injury heals so slowly. Having said that, joint pain can come from any number of sources, tendonitis being only one. I have seen NO DATA to suggest that isometrics are implicated in for example, osteo-arthritis. On the contrary, it is repetitive isotonics that can tend to wear down a joint over time, ie like runners kneeds, pitchers shoulders etc. Now, as to the BW putting the joints at risk greater than say, a pure iso hold, that makes no sense at all. In fact, the spring tension actually provides a bit of a buffer to the tension. This would tend to LOWER the risk of joint injury vs. say pushing a wall, which is immovable and likely to provoke more injury. Again, the thing about that I find disturbing is that he does not seem to understand how exercise actually works. That's kind of weird to me. > > > > For thosewho experience joint pain from exercising, I found the > following posted by a guy who uses the Bullworker and he has arthritis. > > For anyone who has seen 's negative posts concerning > the Bullworker causing tendonitis, etc., ( he must have really weak > joints ), read this: > > > > > > The Bullworker... > > In the previous years I have strength trained using the Soloflex > Muscle Machine and Russian Kettlebells. This past winter I have > really begun to feel the arthritis I have been diagnosed with about 6 > years ago. Both the Soloflex and kettlebells have been causing > greater and greater joint pain over the years. Even push ups, a > staple of my workouts since I was about 13 have become painful. > > I am back to using kettlebells (see below), but am still using my > Bullworker dutifully also. > > What I have done, and it seems to be working quite well, is > started using a Bullworker: www.thebullworker.com , or > www.bullworker.com (UK). The Bullworker can be used both > isometrically and isotonically. I am finding that I can get a good > strength workout with this product, but not get the joint soreness > that I was having before. I picked my Bullworker up on www.ebay.com. > > I'll keep this site updated concerning my workouts with this piece > of equipment. > > > > Also available at www.thepitbullgym.com is another version that > has reached the market. It is quite similar to the above Bullworker > X5 except it uses the cables instead of straps. > > . > > I have not used either of these newer models. The model I > purchased on eBay was manufactured approximately 1971-1972. But it > still does the job it was designed to do. More can be learned about > the Bullworker at www.forum.bullworker.com . Hope to see you there. > > Good luck with your workouts, whatever device you might use. > > Jon > > > > > > > > Nostalgia > > Why am I partial to the Bullworker now? > > Nostalgia. I had not even thought of this type of exercise for 20 > years until I came across them on the www. I remember my pop's best > friend had a Bullworker and traveled across Africa and the Middle East > with it while working for Bechtel. > > He swore by it. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > TV dinner still cooling? > > Check out " Tonight's Picks " on Yahoo! TV. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 I have found that with the use of the BW, my tendonitis has not come back and the joints and muscles have strenghtened. ( for what it is worth) rrbelloff wrote: Well, tendonitis is a risk to any tendon with any form of exercise ormuscle work. IMHO isometric work carries a slightly higher risk oftendonitis as the forces on the tendon CAN be higher than say, whenone does a pushup. Therefore, the old technique of slowly building upthe iso contraction tends to prevent this injury from occuring andmakes sense to me. Better to be conservative when a tendo injury healsso slowly.Having said that, joint pain can come from any number of sources,tendonitis being only one. I have seen NO DATA to suggest thatisometrics are implicated in for example, osteo-arthritis. On thecontrary, it is repetitive isotonics that can tend to wear down ajoint over time, ie like runners kneeds, pitchers shoulders etc.Now, as to the BW putting the joints at risk greater than say, a pureiso hold, that makes no sense at all. In fact, the spring tensionactually provides a bit of a buffer to the tension. This would tend toLOWER the risk of joint injury vs. say pushing a wall, which isimmovable and likely to provoke more injury. Again, the thing about that I find disturbing is that he doesnot seem to understand how exercise actually works. That's kind of weird to me.--- In bullworkerclub , richard pancoast wrote:>> I got that site in the other Bullworker Forum, , but don't have itnow. In the Bronzebow Forum, under Isometrics, goes on abouthow others try to completely compress the Bullworker and get hurt, howsome users have developed tendonits, joint pain, etc.using theBullworker. He claims he never used the Bullworker, but this is whatothers are telling him. He claims regular isometrics are better. Yethe "endorses" another Bullworker . How he can endorse a productwithout ever using it is beyond me.> He blows a lot of hot air, IMO.> Rich> > rrbelloff wrote:> ,> > I am unclear. What did say in regard to the BW and joint pain?> > Thanks> > > >> > For thosewho experience joint pain from exercising, I found the> following posted by a guy who uses the Bullworker and he has arthritis.> > For anyone who has seen 's negative posts concerning> the Bullworker causing tendonitis, etc., ( he must have really weak> joints ), read this:> > > > > > The Bullworker... > > In the previous years I have strength trained using the Soloflex> Muscle Machine and Russian Kettlebells. This past winter I have> really begun to feel the arthritis I have been diagnosed with about 6> years ago. Both the Soloflex and kettlebells have been causing> greater and greater joint pain over the years. Even push ups, a> staple of my workouts since I was about 13 have become painful.> > I am back to using kettlebells (see below), but am still using my> Bullworker dutifully also.> > What I have done, and it seems to be working quite well, is> started using a Bullworker: www.thebullworker.com , or> www.bullworker.com (UK). The Bullworker can be used both> isometrically and isotonically. I am finding that I can get a good> strength workout with this product, but not get the joint soreness> that I was having before. I picked my Bullworker up on www.ebay.com. > > I'll keep this site updated concerning my workouts with this piece> of equipment.> > > > Also available at www.thepitbullgym.com is another version that> has reached the market. It is quite similar to the above Bullworker> X5 except it uses the cables instead of straps.> > .> > I have not used either of these newer models. The model I> purchased on eBay was manufactured approximately 1971-1972. But it> still does the job it was designed to do. More can be learned about> the Bullworker at www.forum.bullworker.com . Hope to see you there.> > Good luck with your workouts, whatever device you might use.> > Jon> > > > > > > > Nostalgia > > Why am I partial to the Bullworker now? > > Nostalgia. I had not even thought of this type of exercise for 20> years until I came across them on the www. I remember my pop's best> friend had a Bullworker and traveled across Africa and the Middle East> with it while working for Bechtel.> > He swore by it.> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > TV dinner still cooling?> > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> It's here! Your new message!> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.> Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Yahoo! Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 BB AuthorElite MemberPosts: 5617 Re: my isometric experment « Reply #5 on: February 07, 2007, 12:53:46 PM » Hey NoBowFlex,I knew several guys back in the mid 70's that were really into using a Bullworker for a period of time. This is mainly because it was so highly promoted back then as the ultimate way to build strength and muscle very quickly (They must have spent a ton of money on magazine advertizing). In just about every case most of them told me that they developed severe tendonitis and when that happened their ability to compress it while holding it horizontally in front was severely compromised. Most had to stop entirely until the tendonitis healed before resuming any further BullWorker training. Not only that but because of the dimensions of a Bullworker it obviously had a different affect from individual to individual due to innate leverage differences and not just strength. For example, lets just say that a Bullworker is 35 inches in total length. Now there is no question that it will take great strength to compress it completely so I'm not arguing that but I assure you that a man like Dave Walmsley that stands 6'3" with naturally broad shoulders and long arms will have a different experience with a Bullworker than a man who is 5'6" with narrower shoulders and shorter arms. This is one of the reasons that I personally prefer freehand Isometrics over any other variation because with the freehand variety you can easily adapt the exercise to more perfectly fit your innate leverage and as a result not end up with tendonitis in much the same way that DVR will allow you to exert great tension without over stressing one's tendons. I mention all of this because I read your post with great interest and I'm curious to know if most of your non-Bullworker Isometrics were freehand and also if you had any tendonitis issues when you trained with the BullWorker exclusively. And by the way 25 pull-Ups at 220 is a great feat of combined (functional)strength and stamina. Congratulations. --- The link Is: http://www.bronzebowpublishing.com/forum/index.php?topic=8646.0 Richrrbelloff wrote: Well, tendonitis is a risk to any tendon with any form of exercise ormuscle work. IMHO isometric work carries a slightly higher risk oftendonitis as the forces on the tendon CAN be higher than say, whenone does a pushup. Therefore, the old technique of slowly building upthe iso contraction tends to prevent this injury from occuring andmakes sense to me. Better to be conservative when a tendo injury healsso slowly.Having said that, joint pain can come from any number of sources,tendonitis being only one. I have seen NO DATA to suggest thatisometrics are implicated in for example, osteo-arthritis. On thecontrary, it is repetitive isotonics that can tend to wear down ajoint over time, ie like runners kneeds, pitchers shoulders etc.Now, as to the BW putting the joints at risk greater than say, a pureiso hold, that makes no sense at all. In fact, the spring tensionactually provides a bit of a buffer to the tension. This would tend toLOWER the risk of joint injury vs. say pushing a wall, which isimmovable and likely to provoke more injury. Again, the thing about that I find disturbing is that he doesnot seem to understand how exercise actually works. That's kind of weird to me.> >> > For thosewho experience joint pain from exercising, I found the> following posted by a guy who uses the Bullworker and he has arthritis.> > For anyone who has seen 's negative posts concerning> the Bullworker causing tendonitis, etc., ( he must have really weak> joints ), read this:> > > > > > The Bullworker... > > In the previous years I have strength trained using the Soloflex> Muscle Machine and Russian Kettlebells. This past winter I have> really begun to feel the arthritis I have been diagnosed with about 6> years ago. Both the Soloflex and kettlebells have been causing> greater and greater joint pain over the years. Even push ups, a> staple of my workouts since I was about 13 have become painful.> > I am back to using kettlebells (see below), but am still using my> Bullworker dutifully also.> > What I have done, and it seems to be working quite well, is> started using a Bullworker: www.thebullworker.com , or> www.bullworker.com (UK). The Bullworker can be used both> isometrically and isotonically. I am finding that I can get a good> strength workout with this product, but not get the joint soreness> that I was having before. I picked my Bullworker up on www.ebay.com. > > I'll keep this site updated concerning my workouts with this piece> of equipment.> > > > Also available at www.thepitbullgym.com is another version that> has reached the market. It is quite similar to the above Bullworker> X5 except it uses the cables instead of straps.> > .> > I have not used either of these newer models. The model I> purchased on eBay was manufactured approximately 1971-1972. But it> still does the job it was designed to do. More can be learned about> the Bullworker at www.forum.bullworker.com . Hope to see you there.> > Good luck with your workouts, whatever device you might use.> > Jon> > > > > > > > Nostalgia > > Why am I partial to the Bullworker now? > > Nostalgia. I had not even thought of this type of exercise for 20> years until I came across them on the www. I remember my pop's best> friend had a Bullworker and traveled across Africa and the Middle East> with it while working for Bechtel.> > He swore by it.> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > TV dinner still cooling?> > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> It's here! Your new message!> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.> Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Just for the record did not endorse another Bullworker. The information in that ad was lifted from his site without his permission. He prefers non apparatus isometrics and recommends the Bullworker for testing your progress with them. Discussion on his site have pointed to the fact that by closing or pulling the Bullworker more gradually many people are able to avoid tendonitis. > > > > > > For thosewho experience joint pain from exercising, I found the > > following posted by a guy who uses the Bullworker and he has arthritis. > > > For anyone who has seen 's negative posts concerning > > the Bullworker causing tendonitis, etc., ( he must have really weak > > joints ), read this: > > > > > > > > > The Bullworker... > > > In the previous years I have strength trained using the Soloflex > > Muscle Machine and Russian Kettlebells. This past winter I have > > really begun to feel the arthritis I have been diagnosed with about 6 > > years ago. Both the Soloflex and kettlebells have been causing > > greater and greater joint pain over the years. Even push ups, a > > staple of my workouts since I was about 13 have become painful. > > > I am back to using kettlebells (see below), but am still using my > > Bullworker dutifully also. > > > What I have done, and it seems to be working quite well, is > > started using a Bullworker: www.thebullworker.com , or > > www.bullworker.com (UK). The Bullworker can be used both > > isometrically and isotonically. I am finding that I can get a good > > strength workout with this product, but not get the joint soreness > > that I was having before. I picked my Bullworker up on www.ebay.com. > > > I'll keep this site updated concerning my workouts with this piece > > of equipment. > > > > > > Also available at www.thepitbullgym.com is another version that > > has reached the market. It is quite similar to the above Bullworker > > X5 except it uses the cables instead of straps. > > > . > > > I have not used either of these newer models. The model I > > purchased on eBay was manufactured approximately 1971-1972. But it > > still does the job it was designed to do. More can be learned about > > the Bullworker at www.forum.bullworker.com . Hope to see you there. > > > Good luck with your workouts, whatever device you might use. > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > Nostalgia > > > Why am I partial to the Bullworker now? > > > Nostalgia. I had not even thought of this type of exercise for 20 > > years until I came across them on the www. I remember my pop's best > > friend had a Bullworker and traveled across Africa and the Middle East > > with it while working for Bechtel. > > > He swore by it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > TV dinner still cooling? > > > Check out " Tonight's Picks " on Yahoo! TV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > It's here! Your new message! > > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 I agree with patterson certain points. When I compress the bullworker with 100% effort I get joint pain. When I exert same pressure on static object 100% I don’t get joint pain try it by your self. Huges is a genius and this is the reason he designed 20-28 inch steel-bow. I would appreciate a lot if any of the steel bow users give feedback on iso-motion exercise with steel bow. --- richard pancoast wrote: > BB Author > Elite Member > > Posts: 5617 > > > > Re: my isometric experment > « Reply #5 on: February 07, 2007, 12:53:46 PM » > > --------------------------------- > Hey NoBowFlex, > > I knew several guys back in the mid 70's that were > really into using a Bullworker for a period of time. > This is mainly because it was so highly promoted > back then as the ultimate way to build strength and > muscle very quickly (They must have spent a ton of > money on magazine advertizing). In just about every > case most of them told me that they developed severe > tendonitis and when that happened their ability to > compress it while holding it horizontally in front > was severely compromised. Most had to stop entirely > until the tendonitis healed before resuming any > further BullWorker training. Not only that but > because of the dimensions of a Bullworker it > obviously had a different affect from individual to > individual due to innate leverage differences and > not just strength. For example, lets just say that a > Bullworker is 35 inches in total length. Now there > is no question that it will take great strength to > compress it completely so I'm not arguing that but I > assure you that a man > like Dave Walmsley that stands 6'3 " with naturally > broad shoulders and long arms will have a different > experience with a Bullworker than a man who is 5'6 " > with narrower shoulders and shorter arms. This is > one of the reasons that I personally prefer freehand > Isometrics over any other variation because with the > freehand variety you can easily adapt the exercise > to more perfectly fit your innate leverage and as a > result not end up with tendonitis in much the same > way that DVR will allow you to exert great tension > without over stressing one's tendons. I mention all > of this because I read your post with great interest > and I'm curious to know if most of your > non-Bullworker Isometrics were freehand and also if > you had any tendonitis issues when you trained with > the BullWorker exclusively. And by the way 25 > pull-Ups at 220 is a great feat of combined > (functional)strength and stamina. Congratulations. > --- > > The link Is: > http://www.bronzebowpublishing.com/forum/index.php?topic=8646.0 > > Rich > > rrbelloff wrote: Well, > tendonitis is a risk to any tendon with any form of > exercise or > muscle work. IMHO isometric work carries a slightly > higher risk of > tendonitis as the forces on the tendon CAN be higher > than say, when > one does a pushup. Therefore, the old technique of > slowly building up > the iso contraction tends to prevent this injury > from occuring and > makes sense to me. Better to be conservative when a > tendo injury heals > so slowly. > > Having said that, joint pain can come from any > number of sources, > tendonitis being only one. I have seen NO DATA to > suggest that > isometrics are implicated in for example, > osteo-arthritis. On the > contrary, it is repetitive isotonics that can tend > to wear down a > joint over time, ie like runners kneeds, pitchers > shoulders etc. > > Now, as to the BW putting the joints at risk greater > than say, a pure > iso hold, that makes no sense at all. In fact, the > spring tension > actually provides a bit of a buffer to the tension. > This would tend to > LOWER the risk of joint injury vs. say pushing a > wall, which is > immovable and likely to provoke more injury. > > Again, the thing about that I find > disturbing is that he does > not seem to understand how exercise actually works. > > That's kind of weird to me. > > > > > > > > For thosewho experience joint pain from > exercising, I found the > > following posted by a guy who uses the Bullworker > and he has arthritis. > > > For anyone who has seen 's negative > posts concerning > > the Bullworker causing tendonitis, etc., ( he must > have really weak > > joints ), read this: > > > > > > > > > The Bullworker... > > > In the previous years I have strength trained > using the Soloflex > > Muscle Machine and Russian Kettlebells. This past > winter I have > > really begun to feel the arthritis I have been > diagnosed with about 6 > > years ago. Both the Soloflex and kettlebells have > been causing > > greater and greater joint pain over the years. > Even push ups, a > > staple of my workouts since I was about 13 have > become painful. > > > I am back to using kettlebells (see below), but > am still using my > > Bullworker dutifully also. > > > What I have done, and it seems to be working > quite well, is > > started using a Bullworker: www.thebullworker.com > , or > > www.bullworker.com (UK). The Bullworker can be > used both > > isometrically and isotonically. I am finding that > I can get a good > > strength workout with this product, but not get > the joint soreness > > that I was having before. I picked my Bullworker > up on www.ebay.com. > > > I'll keep this site updated concerning my > workouts with this piece > > of equipment. > > > > > > Also available at www.thepitbullgym.com is > another version that > > has reached the market. It is quite similar to the > above Bullworker > > X5 except it uses the cables instead of straps. > > > . > > > I have not used either of these newer models. > The model I > > purchased on eBay was manufactured approximately > 1971-1972. But it > > still does the job it was designed to do. More can > be learned about > > the Bullworker at www.forum.bullworker.com . Hope > to see you there. > > > Good luck with your workouts, whatever device > you might use. > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > Nostalgia > > > Why am I partial to the Bullworker now? > > > Nostalgia. I had not even thought of this type > of exercise for 20 > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 The iso motion, which I do regularly is great. You can also do the same thing without the steel bow and exerting pressure against your hands or locking your fingers and pulling while doing it. I can see where, if a person works up to 10 or 15 minutes of iso motion, it will be a great workout all by itself. Just the few minutes I do at the start of each session is a workout for me. As for joint pain with the bullworker of steel bow, I think the difference is because a static object isn't pushing back, whereas with the BW you're pushing against something that's pushing against you. Pushing against a wall works the muscles and joints in only one direction. Working against an object that is pushing back I think adds more stress to muscles and joints. That's just my opinion, and I'm no exercise physiologist. Chuck --- Thangam wrote: > I agree with patterson certain points. When I > compress the bullworker with 100% effort I get joint > pain. When I exert same pressure on static object > 100% > I don’t get joint pain try it by your self. > Huges > is a genius and this is the reason he designed 20-28 > inch steel-bow. I would appreciate a lot if any of > the > steel bow users give feedback on iso-motion exercise > with steel bow. > > --- richard pancoast wrote: > > > BB Author > > Elite Member > > > > Posts: 5617 > > > > > > > > Re: my isometric experment > > « Reply #5 on: February 07, 2007, 12:53:46 PM » > > > > --------------------------------- > > Hey NoBowFlex, > > > > I knew several guys back in the mid 70's that were > > really into using a Bullworker for a period of > time. > > This is mainly because it was so highly promoted > > back then as the ultimate way to build strength > and > > muscle very quickly (They must have spent a ton of > > money on magazine advertizing). In just about > every > > case most of them told me that they developed > severe > > tendonitis and when that happened their ability to > > compress it while holding it horizontally in front > > was severely compromised. Most had to stop > entirely > > until the tendonitis healed before resuming any > > further BullWorker training. Not only that but > > because of the dimensions of a Bullworker it > > obviously had a different affect from individual > to > > individual due to innate leverage differences and > > not just strength. For example, lets just say that > a > > Bullworker is 35 inches in total length. Now there > > is no question that it will take great strength to > > compress it completely so I'm not arguing that but > I > > assure you that a man > > like Dave Walmsley that stands 6'3 " with > naturally > > broad shoulders and long arms will have a > different > > experience with a Bullworker than a man who is > 5'6 " > > with narrower shoulders and shorter arms. This is > > one of the reasons that I personally prefer > freehand > > Isometrics over any other variation because with > the > > freehand variety you can easily adapt the exercise > > to more perfectly fit your innate leverage and as > a > > result not end up with tendonitis in much the same > > way that DVR will allow you to exert great tension > > without over stressing one's tendons. I mention > all > > of this because I read your post with great > interest > > and I'm curious to know if most of your > > non-Bullworker Isometrics were freehand and also > if > > you had any tendonitis issues when you trained > with > > the BullWorker exclusively. And by the way 25 > > pull-Ups at 220 is a great feat of combined > > (functional)strength and stamina. Congratulations. > > > --- > > > > The link Is: > > > http://www.bronzebowpublishing.com/forum/index.php?topic=8646.0 > > > > Rich > > > > rrbelloff wrote: Well, > > tendonitis is a risk to any tendon with any form > of > > exercise or > > muscle work. IMHO isometric work carries a > slightly > > higher risk of > > tendonitis as the forces on the tendon CAN be > higher > > than say, when > > one does a pushup. Therefore, the old technique of > > slowly building up > > the iso contraction tends to prevent this injury > > from occuring and > > makes sense to me. Better to be conservative when > a > > tendo injury heals > > so slowly. > > > > Having said that, joint pain can come from any > > number of sources, > > tendonitis being only one. I have seen NO DATA to > > suggest that > > isometrics are implicated in for example, > > osteo-arthritis. On the > > contrary, it is repetitive isotonics that can tend > > to wear down a > > joint over time, ie like runners kneeds, pitchers > > shoulders etc. > > > > Now, as to the BW putting the joints at risk > greater > > than say, a pure > > iso hold, that makes no sense at all. In fact, the > > spring tension > > actually provides a bit of a buffer to the > tension. > > This would tend to > > LOWER the risk of joint injury vs. say pushing a > > wall, which is > > immovable and likely to provoke more injury. > > > > Again, the thing about that I find > > disturbing is that he does > > not seem to understand how exercise actually > works. > > > > That's kind of weird to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > For thosewho experience joint pain from > > exercising, I found the > > > following posted by a guy who uses the > Bullworker > > and he has arthritis. > > > > For anyone who has seen 's > negative > > posts concerning > > > the Bullworker causing tendonitis, etc., ( he > must > > have really weak > > > joints ), read this: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Bullworker... > > > > In the previous years I have strength trained > > using the Soloflex > > > Muscle Machine and Russian Kettlebells. This > past > > winter I have > > > really begun to feel the arthritis I have been > > diagnosed with about 6 > > > years ago. Both the Soloflex and kettlebells > have > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I bought my first Bullworker in the 1970s and have used them off and on as part of the isometric part of my workout ever since. In fact, over the years I have collected different models and still have about 10 or 12 models in my collection. I have never had a problem with joint pain although I have read about people who have had that problem on various forums. I have to believe that the problem is caused by the retro-resistance that you get from the spring as that increases the intensity beyond a normal isometric cntraction. > > > > > > > > > > For thosewho experience joint pain from > > > exercising, I found the > > > > following posted by a guy who uses the > > Bullworker > > > and he has arthritis. > > > > > For anyone who has seen 's > > negative > > > posts concerning > > > > the Bullworker causing tendonitis, etc., ( he > > must > > > have really weak > > > > joints ), read this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Bullworker... > > > > > In the previous years I have strength trained > > > using the Soloflex > > > > Muscle Machine and Russian Kettlebells. This > > past > > > winter I have > > > > really begun to feel the arthritis I have been > > > diagnosed with about 6 > > > > years ago. Both the Soloflex and kettlebells > > have > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 I think it may not be the equipment or exercise that causes pain, but rather, how we do a move. I don't know if it's tendinitis, but when I tried to develop pullups a couple of years ago, elbow pain made it " not worth it. " I started at it again last December (am up to 5 reps now, cheating sometimes) and don't have any joint pain. The difference? I do not separate may hands as far as I did earlier. In fact, I do chins and pull ups with hands almost together. I instinctively felt that for the BW press in front of the chest I should keep my elbows out. Otherwise, the weakest link would be my elbows, which are a lot weaker than my pecs. I wouldn't do the chest press with my elbows down, though I would do that posiiton for the rotator cuff, not applying force from pecs. By doing this, I never experienced elbow pain from this exercise. I could imagine the pain, though, if I did this exercise with elbows lower than the BW. Another thing about this move is I don't " hold " the BW with my hands, but rather, rest the handles on the base of my palms, relieving any pressure on my wrists. I still maintain that it would be best to do the BW ab exercises with bent elbows. It would relieve the elbows of a lot of force. Beyond proper form, we must also consider our nutritional status. Proteins, vitamins and minerals must be taken in adequate, or more than adequate amounts. Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Gerry you are right elbows and wrist are the weakest link in front chest press. With bullworker X5 gold I can compress upto 50-60 (90 is the maximum reading on the scale) reading on the scale for front chest press (exercise illustrated in Arnold challenge). When I compress the bullworker by placing the handle on the inner part of my forearm somewhere in the middle of my wrist and elbow I am able to compress the gold model fully (90+ on the scale). This proves my wrist is weaker link in chest press also I have a feeling for the first time my pecs and shoulders got an excellent workout. I think with shorter length bullworker when we can avoid the weak links and place more load on target muscle group eventually see better result. The only downsize is a serious trainer should able to compress bullworker fully in more exercises than the conventional model since the target muscle group is fully involved. --- knuj_gse wrote: > I think it may not be the equipment or exercise that > causes pain, but rather, how we do a move. > > I don't know if it's tendinitis, but when I tried to > develop pullups a couple of years ago, elbow pain > made it " not worth it. " I started at it again last > December (am up to 5 reps now, cheating sometimes) > and don't have any joint pain. The difference? I do > not separate may hands as far as I did earlier. In > fact, I do chins and pull ups with hands almost > together. > > I instinctively felt that for the BW press in front > of the chest I should keep my elbows out. Otherwise, > the weakest link would be my elbows, which are a lot > weaker than my pecs. I wouldn't do the chest press > with my elbows down, though I would do that posiiton > for the rotator cuff, not applying force from pecs. > By doing this, I never experienced elbow pain from > this exercise. I could imagine the pain, though, if > I did this exercise with elbows lower than the BW. > Another thing about this move is I don't " hold " the > BW with my hands, but rather, rest the handles on > the base of my palms, relieving any pressure on my > wrists. > > I still maintain that it would be best to do the BW > ab exercises with bent elbows. It would relieve the > elbows of a lot of force. > > Beyond proper form, we must also consider our > nutritional status. Proteins, vitamins and minerals > must be taken in adequate, or more than adequate > amounts. > > Gerry > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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