Re: Aspie writing Was: paranoia?

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This triggered a bit of memory.

I read/heard somewhere about Aspies doing a dyslexic like writing. I have

where in hand printing (I don't do cursive writing) where I get the word

order and letters out of order due to timing problems between my thinking

(sometimes too far ahead) and my motor skills.

I don't remember much about what was said/written but it does validate the

writing skills as an indicator of autism spectrum.

The pattern such as switched letters or words or some such thing can be an

indicator as it shows a thinking process. There is a lot in the

" handwriting analysis " field where this may be taught though obviously not

about Autism.

If you look at the patterns of an Aspie (as severe Autism would be very

different) it seems almost obvious, at least to those of us who do so well

in pattern analysis as I do.

Ironically most doctors are terrible or just average at pattern analysis yet

it's an important component of the diagnosis process and hence bad

diagnosis. Not really an indicator of a bad doctor so much as that if they

were limited to those with outstanding pattern analysis there would only be

a small handful of doctors in Psychology compared to what there is.

So that's why " second opinion " is so normal. Though, I guess, most

insurance companies and health programs WON'T pay for a second opinion.

Randy Garrett

Antioch, CA USA

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Re: paranoia?

Hmmm... it seems there's more than one way this could be

interpreted: either unclear writing (for content, separate from

mechanical production) or the mechanical production of writing.

From what you posted, it seems the interpretation that's most

correct of the assessment is that of unclear writing for content,

separate from mechanical production.

As others have pointed out, the clarity of writing (for content) is

not a valid point of differentiation, and, if someone really puts

their time and effort into it, they just *might* manage to get it

mechanically clear as well, even with handwriting. Those with

Asperger's often have poor coordination and overall executive (dys) function

issues that may cause the mechanical process some grief,

but depending on their other traits, they may very well write very

well, though it may take a lot more effort to produce the output, as

relayed above.

I'm one of those that has a bit of dyslexia to deal with as well as

poor motor planning, and I always have had, and likely always will:

however, that doesn't at all stop me from being able to write

clearly, or, when I want, to write ambiguously for the sake of

humor. If I put enough effort into it and do it very slowly, I

*might* get good results for handwriting, but that largely relies on

being able to go back and erase things: I actually often have a heck

of a time correctly signing my own name on checks due to constantly

doing motor planning/loop errors or realizing after I've written one

letter that the one I was about to write should be placed before

it. This happens even with my own name, but it happens whether I'm

writing in cursing (that's what I think cursive *really* should be

called, because it is so unforgiving for my limitations) or print,

and I also do it while typing, but thanks to the technology

otherwise known as " Backspace " and " Delete " I can correct it far

faster than most, and often have Word with the IntelliSense slow me

down as it starts to notice things right before I right the things I

notice and write them correctly so things come out right, right when

I type, right? Despite everything, I still have an overall result

of far fewer mistakes for spelling and grammar than most people do

using the checkers that exist: far worse in practice in many cases

of people not using them, is people using them and not truly knowing

what they're not knowing, and knowingly thinking that'll work out

better than far worse than not being checked. Oh, I can tell you

some scary and hilarious side-effects of checkers running amok

unchecked by the unchecked that can't check the checkers! (CHECK!)

Now, I wish I could find a solution to the time when I'm stuck

having to write out checks right so they're checked (right) when I

write them, which would very logically be (in an ideal world) a

check-mate, set and match lit off the whole flash of energy and

frustration that results, before I read the check's last rites after

I've written the check's last writes and read the recipients of said

check the riot act from having to rightly write the check right, and

right the wrongs of not paying bills or debts.

Oh, fair warning after the fact: don't read this post while drunk or

high, or it might drive you to get drunk or high after you read this

post! Then again, it may strongly encourage a sober reader to do

the same thing, if the sober reader is now drunk or high off of

reading this post that drove them to seeking out something of

substance to achieve the same effect. For laughs, I'd suggest you

take this post to that professional and see if they need a

professional afterwards and after words

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11:31 AM

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I can agree with that. Sometimes my writing gets messed up as you describe, wrong letter in the wrong place or words out of order. I would also agree that it is because the brain is much faster than the hand. I've noticed that for a very long time now.

I have been working on this some by doing my story writing long hand and in print. By doing that I make myself write more slowly and carefully, even though my brain wants to rush on ahead. It seems to be working, or rather it did before I more or less got bored with the storyline and that no one seems to be reading it. I've given it to a couple of beta readers here and they haven't gotten back to me a in a while either.

I read/heard somewhere about Aspies doing a dyslexic like writing. I havewhere in hand printing (I don't do cursive writing) where I get the wordorder and letters out of order due to timing problems between my thinking(sometimes too far ahead) and my motor skills.Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.

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I know you are, so don't worry about it. I'm more angry at my beta readers around here. I know they have the time to read it.

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" It seems to be working, or rather it did before I more or less got

bored with the storyline and that no one seems to be reading it. I've

given it to a couple of beta readers here and they haven't gotten back

to me a in a while either. "

I haven't had the time .

Sorry.

Administrator

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" I know you are, so don't worry about it. I'm more angry at my beta

readers around here. I know they have the time to read it. "

Let me clue you in to how I am feeling right now.

There were 175 members of the Family Forum a day or go. Raven

mentioned that Cub was diagnosed with a permanent illness that is

potentially fatal in 1 in 3 individuals. Out of those 175

individuals, no one responded or expressed sympathy.

Not one.

When Raven complained about THAT, one member in essence said that we

ought to keep our big fat flapping mouths shut. It was our

responsibility to run the forums and we shouldn't get upset about the

fact that no one cares.

I cussed her out. She quit, and three others followed her.

Two other members expressed their own opinions. A third has contacted

Raven privately.

Two more members have joined the group since, but I hardly care to

run the forum anymore. I am sick of them.

This has caused me to realize that NTs have no empathy or sympathy

whatsoever.

It bugs me also that no one read your stories lately. Sorta makes me

wonder why I have any of these forums open at all.

Oh well. Enough complaining for now.

Administrator

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God almighty I'm so sorry to hear about what happened on the Family forum.

I'm going to try to modify one of my favorite quotes from Helen Keller:

" There are none so blind as those who can see, none so deaf as those who can

hear " .

And none so mentally unbalanced (is that the word? Something has to fit,

this is H.K. Quote 0.5 [beta]) as those who are Neural Typical. ;-)

Not 'unbalanced' but lacking good understanding, compassion, whatever. It's

going on my TO-DO list and a new sig line!

Randy Garrett

Antioch, CA USA

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Re: Aspie writing Was: paranoia?

" I know you are, so don't worry about it. I'm more angry at my beta

readers around here. I know they have the time to read it. "

Let me clue you in to how I am feeling right now.

There were 175 members of the Family Forum a day or go. Raven

mentioned that Cub was diagnosed with a permanent illness that is

potentially fatal in 1 in 3 individuals. Out of those 175

individuals, no one responded or expressed sympathy.

Not one.

When Raven complained about THAT, one member in essence said that we

ought to keep our big fat flapping mouths shut. It was our

responsibility to run the forums and we shouldn't get upset about the

fact that no one cares.

I cussed her out. She quit, and three others followed her.

Two other members expressed their own opinions. A third has contacted

Raven privately.

Two more members have joined the group since, but I hardly care to

run the forum anymore. I am sick of them.

This has caused me to realize that NTs have no empathy or sympathy

whatsoever.

It bugs me also that no one read your stories lately. Sorta makes me

wonder why I have any of these forums open at all.

Oh well. Enough complaining for now.

Administrator

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3:51 PM

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" God almighty I'm so sorry to hear about what happened on the Family

forum. "

One gets used to it.

One of my moderators there died three years ago and only about five or

six people cared.

It is not like they joined and then abandoned the group either. They

get their daily digests. They get their special messages. They ask

questions when they have them. So when I sent the special message

saying Debbie died, I was fairly shocked that no one really cared.

Administrator

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I can't speak for anyone else beyond myself, but I honestly have so many things

outside

these lists that I don't get to read more than a small fraction of the posts on

here, and I

also (while I'm letting it out) tend to go fairly long times (all being a

relative thing) where I

don't look at any posts at all, for various reasons. It seems to me there's a

high chance

that a lot happens of importance to the group in terms of membership

coming/going that

I miss as a result.

I admit, right now I feel pretty fortunate with the fact that my time is that

full of stuff

outside of participating in this group, because for the most part, that means

I'm at least

living a more fulfilling life. When I was in my worst times, where I was stuck

in the hellish

situation of delivering pizza in a rather hostile environment (in more ways than

one) while

merely doing time until what seemed imminent ultimate financial failure beyond

the point

of no (reasonable) return, I was incredibly stressed out, and couldn't see how

much I could

do.

At this time, I'm employed full-time in a job that has a distinct possible long

duration, but

also has a bit of stress, working on software as a white box QA engineer at a

Very Well

Known Internet Giant on database software (a specialization I've not done

before, with a

job title/responsibility I've not done before, nor ever anticipated I'd do for a

living) and I'm

trying to get back to having something (anything!) saved for retirement, and

also CYA as

much as I can by diversifying my skill set by getting a broader experience base

in my field,

all while not knowing how long my health will hold out and allow me to not be

considered

too disabled to work and drive. The biggest issue there I'm concerned about

(because it

can't be stopped without being disabling in and of itself to some degree) is the

degenerative inner ear disorder (atypical Meniere's disease) which has a

completely

unpredictable course, and while only affecting my right ear at this time, has a

1-2%

chance per year of also affecting the other ear, too. There are two things that

it

contributes towards that could leave me having a hard time for working: the loss

of

balance (there are others on disability that have less vestibular damage than I

had when

measured in 2002) and the fact that by its nature, it feeds junk data into my

system all the

time, which tends to make me more vulnerable to sensory overload.

Oh, I have other things to worry about, but that's really the most worrisome

one, but at

least I'm not too likely to die or be horribly crippled from moving with what

I've got to deal

with, and for that, I'm grateful, and part of my strategy towards keeping me as

functional

as possible involves (and I'm very glad I've currently got the means to do this,

because I

can tell even with it, I'm still degrading in terms of vestibular function)

using the services

of personal trainer to keep me in far better shape than I could do under my own

guidance

in terms of strength/balance exercises, and long-distance running, which serves

several

functions besides helping fight that issue. There's a few things I've known for

a very long

time, or have come to acknowledge more recently than before:

1. I've known and understood for the longest time that if you don't have any

enemies,

chances are you're comatose: just by standing up for anything, or even standing

up for

nothing, you can't help but gain enemies, regardless of how many friends you may

gather.

Besides, there's the saying, " Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate. "

which

for the most part is true. And if you're christian, the ultimate example is

obvious of the

insanity of trying to have everyone as a friend

2. Life just isn't fair, and there's no point in whining about it: it makes far

more sense to

try to work with the reality you've got, since if you don't, who will?

3. Life is a constant fight in one or more forms, and you might as well put up

the good

fight. If you fail, but at least you really tried, hey, at least you can look

at yourself without

feeling too down about it all.

4. No matter how battered and abused outside factors leave you, you still have

power over

everything, if only to shrug it off and say, " Ok, so what are you going to throw

at me next?

" and deal with it. There's no such thing as truly " free will " because it

always has a price,

and it always must be given away to someone before you have no power at all.

5. Redundancy is a good thing: Redundancy is a good thing: you should always

have

some sort of backup plan/solution for everything that matters, such as

employment and

your skillset, and anything of that importance. Because the world isn't fair,

sooner or later

you won't be able to find employment doing the sort of thing you're already

experienced

at and like to do, or at least you can't expect to do it for the amount of money

you used to

get. You should try to find some way to support yourself and anyone you're

responsible

for, doing something that's not too close to your past experience and industry,

and

hopefully something that isn't likely to be in the dumps when your normal thing

is not

working out.

6. You make the most money by specializing in something that requires a lot of

experience and education, but by the same token, you make yourself very

vulnerable by

being over-specialized.

7. Those that think, " I earned a bachelor's/master's/doctorate's degree and I'm

deserving

of always having a well-paying job! " are the true idiots: if you don't

continually upgrade

your education formally and informally when the chance provides itself or

requires it, you

can expect to be dinosaured, and you have nobody to blame but yourself. One of

my

former supervisors expressed it this way: " College is where you learn how to

learn " and I

would add, what college can do for you (at best) is give you some of those basic

skills, and

get your feet wet in terms of learning in vague terms what's out there, and what

it takes to

do it.

8. Blaming everything and everyone around you may sound good at first for

explaining

why things are the way they are, but you waste far more time and energy doing

that and

gaining nothing but self-righteous indignation when you'd be far better off

analyzing how

to work with what you've got available to deal with, and making the best of it

in whatever

way that presents itself. Very few people get rich by solving the simple

problems

everyone else has solved: at best, you'll eek out an existence. Instead, the

people that

make the most out of life look at the problems, don't bother worrying about whom

to

blame, and go off and whine about how unfair things are, and instead find some

way to

solve the problems, and then market that solution. Do you think the inventors

of

computer technology whined, " Oh, having to do all these computations is a PITA!

Why do I

have to do all this stuff, over and over again, I shouldn't have to do all this,

this is a waste

of my life! " and then just continued to do it and complain? No, they figured

out what was

involved in doing it other than by hand, or found someone that could do it for

them, and

then worked towards that. People that only whine about how hard/unfair

everything is,

and don't take it beyond that for their motivation for action, don't ever invent

anything

except larger sets of people that don't want to deal with them.

9. Nothing ventured, nothing gained: sure, it's a cliche, but it is entirely

true. Certainly,

you'll not gain every time you venture out, but, well, life's not fair, and

people really ARE

out to get you! Wait a minute, that's blaming outside people and forces for

failure... I

don't want to negate myself point by point, do I???

10. I need to go to bed: it's 2:01 a.m!

>

> " God almighty I'm so sorry to hear about what happened on the Family

> forum. "

>

> One gets used to it.

>

> One of my moderators there died three years ago and only about five or

> six people cared.

>

> It is not like they joined and then abandoned the group either. They

> get their daily digests. They get their special messages. They ask

> questions when they have them. So when I sent the special message

> saying Debbie died, I was fairly shocked that no one really cared.

>

>

> Administrator

>

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I understand. My health has never been that great and people just don't give a rip.

I hope he gets through it alright. Poor health stinks more than anything. I was a sickly kid too and it wasn't easy, and that wasn't even potentially fatal illness.

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Re: Aspie writing Was: paranoia?

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At this time, I'm employed full-time in a job that has a distinct possible

long duration, but

also has a bit of stress, working on software as a white box QA engineer at

a Very Well

Known Internet Giant on database software (a specialization I've not done

before, with a

job title/responsibility I've not done before, nor ever anticipated I'd do

for a living) and I'm

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Why you dirty little (bleep), why didn't you tell me that. The parallels

are a little to close to what I did (for companies that went out of business

*sigh*) and hope to get back into.

We could have been bantering back and forth on this list and no one would

have understood! LOL

Yea, I'm out of date, all this " Client / Server Database " and other names

are " newer " than the crud I worked on. Hence the college plans.

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degenerative inner ear disorder (atypical Meniere's disease) which has a

completely

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I have a nicer " simpler " hearing impairment birth defect. We're not even

sure there is any inner ear deformities I keep suspecting. Just electrical.

I've met and corresponded with several Meniere's persons.

Of course for those uninitiated about hearing impairments (Deaf don't use

that phrase) there is a lot of complications with hearing loss including

frequent ear infections and Tinnitus (ear ringing). But certainly not as

bad as Meniere's. And not true deafness which would enabled me to join the

" other " society in the U.S. The Deaf (capital D). They are not disabled

(and unfortunately can be just as discriminating and uninformed as NT's!) in

their opinion, just no one knows there language (ASL) or their culture.

I've had learned a lot about the Deaf community from classes and a Deaf

friend.

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unpredictable course, and while only affecting my right ear at this time,

has a 1-2%

chance per year of also affecting the other ear, too. There are two things

that it

contributes towards that could leave me having a hard time for working: the

loss of

balance (there are others on disability that have less vestibular damage

than I had when

measured in 2002) and the fact that by its nature, it feeds junk data into

my system all the

time, which tends to make me more vulnerable to sensory overload.

---------------------

Thank you for talking about this, I need to know as it also helps me know

the few components of my hearing loss.

Randy Garrett

Antioch, CA

" We the Disabled do not fight for simple access or equality, we fight for

our freedom " RDG

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8:12 AM

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Ditto - and still trying to catch up with the forums.

School threatening to exclude my son again (sigh) and at moment I can't

really go into it all, because I am just finding it very overwhelming -

trying to keep functioning and dealing with it all is difficult - but

I'm managing - sort of - although trying to fight agaisnt my body and

mind wanting to go into shut down is hard.

>

> " It seems to be working, or rather it did before I more or less got

> bored with the storyline and that no one seems to be reading it. I've

> given it to a couple of beta readers here and they haven't gotten

back

> to me a in a while either. "

>

> I haven't had the time .

>

> Sorry.

>

>

> Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, keep us informed on that. No worries about reading my stories when you problems like that to deal with.

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>

> Ditto - and still trying to catch up with the forums.

>

> School threatening to exclude my son again (sigh) and at moment I

can't

> really go into it all, because I am just finding it very overwhelming

-

> trying to keep functioning and dealing with it all is difficult - but

> I'm managing - sort of - although trying to fight agaisnt my body and

> mind wanting to go into shut down is hard.

Let us know what happens ok? Hang in there.

Kim