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I had trouble with a high functioning autistic child, 4 years old too. He

identified them, could match numbers but couldn't tact, nor count. I

followed two strategies: visual spacial attention in logical cards puting a

coin in the right cell as seen in the sample, and counting with fingers.

Currently he is counting to three, can match numbers up to three, can tact

number and going up to 5 in tact and counting. Besides that, we worked on

memorizing counting up to ten.

Only my experience

na

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:11:01 -0800

From: " nancy omara " <nancyomara@...>

Subject: Re: teaching numbers

LZ and group,

Have you tried a talking calculator or a coinulator with coins to count

money?

, Colin P's mom

[ ] teaching numbers

I work with a 6 year old (mostly nonverbal) child. Our team was able

to teach him letters within two weeks (lower case and upper case).

And most of his identification is repective. For some reason, he is

having lots of trouble with learning his numbers. I don't know if he

is bored with them or what, but we have been trying since July of

2003, and nothing. We have tried using 3-D numbers, using different

colors of ink on a note card, making stand up so he can have a

bird's view. I told his mom we should use the microwave since he is

so reinforced by it that he would just press any number. We really

don't know what else to try and I was hoping some one had some

suggestions. Anything would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

~LZ

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> 6a) I've read some concerns about ALA (especially in combination with DMSA).

>

> Dr. Haley's answer: Alpha-lipoic acid is a needed element in the diet, it

> most likely should be given with food and not mixed with thiol-based

> chelators as it will form what is called a mixed disulfide (e.g. DMPS-SH +

> ALA-SH >> DMPS-S-ALA, not correct chemistry but it may get the idea across)

> that is ineffective and may be toxic.

>

>

>

> --Does this mean that we should NOT be giving ALA and DMSA at the same time,

in the same dose?

Unfortunately Dr. Haley is not correct on this specific detail.

My more general response to his forwarded post is:

I hope Dr. Haley's permission was sought to spam his comments on this

topic all over the internet before it was done.

My general response to his discussion is that it is mostly accurate.

However, from past interactions, the quantitative aspects of

equilibrium and kinetics relations do not seem to be Dr. Haley's

strong point and there is a statement here that is misleading in that

it isn't relevant under physiological conditions. Dr. Haley says that

DMPS/DMSA and ALA form mixed disulfides. This is theoretically true,

and in fact all the chelators will form mixed disulfides with

themselves as well.

Disulfide formation of this sort is not relevant under physiologic

conditions. The amount of disulfide formed is not singificant.

There is no reason to assume these disulfides would be toxic, either,

and every reason to assume they would be no more toxic than the parent

compounds.

Otherwise this is really an accurate and insightful discussion by Dr.

Haley (especially of the lack of merit of TTFD and of chlorella),

which I hope was shared with his permission.

People do have my permission to forward my response to this to any

list where Dr. Haley's comments were posted.

Andy . . . . . . . .. . . .

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