Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 Dear Randy, I believe you got a lot of useful answers already, here is my salt to it ;-): I should not be depressed ever again! Work with that! " Number six " it (I am willing to… I look forward to…) Peace, PS: if that's too much for you, do the work on things you are depressed about. If it's too much for you while you are depressed, wait for a time when you are not depressed or take a valium. Be kind to yourself. Am 24.01.2004 um 11:03 schrieb Loving-what-is : > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:31:28 -0000 > > Subject: The Work on depression > > This is my first post and I am hesitant to do this but here goes: > I would appreciate feedback on my work. > > I hate my depression. I want my depression to end. I can't stand > it. I need my depression to disappear. > > 1. Yes it is true. > 2. Yes, I absolutely know that I hate my depression. > 3. I feel really justified. I should never have to deal with such > a horrible thing. It's unfair. Can I see a reason to drop this > thought? Yes, I can. Perhaps my depression would be less if I did > not add the hatred of it to it. Perhaps I focus on it too much > instead of living my life. > 4. Perhaps I would be happier and more peaceful. Perhaps things > would get better. > > TA: I don't hate my depression? My depression hates me? I hate my > thoughts about depression? I am willing to experience my depression > again and again. My thoughts about depression are killing me? > > Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 > Depression is just an energy field; it only becomes a problem when > the mind enters into it. Without thoughts to fuel it, the energy > field goes away and a new one appears. Moods are like waves in the > ocean--they come and they go. Hi Kominsenz, I'm sorry, but " depression is just an energy field " is just not my experience. It sounds like depression has some sort of independent existence. My experience is that feelings of depression ONLY arise when I believe DEPRESSING THOUGHTS. No depressing thoughts, no feelings of depression. If I believe anything else I must be confused. Concepts like energy fields and moods may be fun to play with, but I could never find any proof of their existence, under Inquiry they turned out to be lies I was using to torture myself with. Just some thoughts Loving what is, angel, and that would be you. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 > Hi nne > > Thanks for asking about me. I found the School interesting and > challenging. The people I met were wonderful. I went with the > specific intention of overcoming my depression and worked mostly on > it during the 9 days. I went into it wanting to leave depression- > free but find myself still depressed. At one time I went up to > and told her that I have woken up for much of the past 10 or > so years depressed and that when I have looked for the belief or > thought or story that led to this depression I could not find it. > She told me to just keep showing up. Hi Randy, In my experience it can often be difficult to find the thoughts causing depression, because the feelings seem so overwhelming. A single thought may be playing itself over and over again in my mind, but I can't hear it because the feelings get in the way. Sometimes the story can be so thick and solid in my mind that I don't even recognise it as a story and it just appears to be the truth. I agree with that you should just keep showing up and try to notice what you are thinking, then inquire. You may not like it, but in my experience until you identify the CAUSE of your feelings of despair (your THOUGHTS) and undo them, then your feelings of depression will remain. To focus on anything but your THINKING is an incredible waste of time. Its like a young child coming to her mother and insisting that the world is flat. However, her mother knows that this is untrue and will explain that the world is round. is like an experienced mother, she has seen a deeper truth (thoughts cause depression) and she simply waits for you to catch up with her realization. If you really want to end your suffering (depression), be wise and listen to (someone who has realized the truth), and ignore those who really know nothing but their own confusion. Loving what is, angel, and that would be you. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Neo Thank you. love Randy > > Hi nne > > > > Thanks for asking about me. I found the School interesting and > > challenging. The people I met were wonderful. I went with the > > specific intention of overcoming my depression and worked mostly on > > it during the 9 days. I went into it wanting to leave depression- > > free but find myself still depressed. At one time I went up to > > and told her that I have woken up for much of the past 10 or > > so years depressed and that when I have looked for the belief or > > thought or story that led to this depression I could not find it. > > She told me to just keep showing up. > > > Hi Randy, > > In my experience it can often be difficult to find the thoughts > causing depression, because the feelings seem so overwhelming. A > single thought may be playing itself over and over again in my mind, > but I can't hear it because the feelings get in the way. > > Sometimes the story can be so thick and solid in my mind that I don't > even recognise it as a story and it just appears to be the truth. > > I agree with that you should just keep showing up and try to > notice what you are thinking, then inquire. You may not like it, but > in my experience until you identify the CAUSE of your feelings of > despair (your THOUGHTS) and undo them, then your feelings of > depression will remain. To focus on anything but your THINKING is an > incredible waste of time. Its like a young child coming to her mother > and insisting that the world is flat. However, her mother knows that > this is untrue and will explain that the world is round. is > like an experienced mother, she has seen a deeper truth (thoughts > cause depression) and she simply waits for you to catch up with her > realization. > > If you really want to end your suffering (depression), be wise and > listen to (someone who has realized the truth), and ignore > those who really know nothing but their own confusion. > > Loving what is, angel, and that would be you. > > > Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Hi Caroline Thanks for your post and glad you are in our group here online. Welcome!! love Randy -- In Loving-what-is , " Caroline Bell " <cpbell@v...> wrote: > Dearest Randy and all the Other Correspondents. > > I too know of this place of which you all speak. For myself doing the > work has proven to be very significant in overcoming or perhaps more > accurately transforming the depression that I experienced for years - my > therapist thought even since early infancy. > > The work has been only one piece of a long search for relief, for > answers, freedom or whatever label one likes to use. I do not think > that any one modality will necessarily be a cure all. What I discovered > was that if it helped, even a bit, then it was worth adding as a support > in my life. > > At one point antidepressants were very helpful. > > I had major breakthroughs from reading A Course in Miracles which I find > has many similarities to The Work. > > I benefitted from work with a Shaman and with a talented psychologist > who facilitated Personal Totem and Divine-Self centered jouney work. I > still occasionally work with both of them. > > Recently one of the most significant practices for me has been the use > of food supplements. I agree that if the biochemical balance of the > body is off then all the other approaches become that much more > difficult. I do not agree that doctors necessarily have the best > answers and we can certainly take some self-responsibility there. A > great book on this topic is The Mood Cure, which as a trained > pharmacologist I highly recommend as well researched. > > I also use flower essences extensively to balance the emotional body and > learnt how to test for them myself...even ended up doing reading for > others as a result! In addition, I used visualization based energy > clearing and EFT. I still do this with three different healers. I am > also learning to do on myself and do exchanges with people who are also > learning this healing art. I think it is fabulous and definately an > effective way to raise consciousness. > > The practices outlined in the Power of Now by Eckert Tolle, designed to > bring one ever more into the present moment are also great once one gets > through the tantrums of 'the pain body'. These seemed to happen when > the 'knowing mind' starts to realise that the game is up. In that > respect, I found that a recognition of what some call 'The Dark Night of > the Soul' was comforting in recognising that this was just a stage. > Like you Robin I found that by noticing the moments of lightness and > expanding from that place into the darkness, instead of trying to break > out of the darkness was a very powerful realisation...not so different > from the turn arounds in the work. > > Best of all I no longer suffer from depression. > > I have never actually done the work directly on depression as a > thought-form itself. However, I believe that by chipping away at > whatever it was that came up for me (and as it still does), the > underlying pain that the depression rested on was slowly dissolved. > > I just got back from the school and was blessed to be able to hang out > with Randy in person. What a great guy. > > The work works is my story! > Be good to your sweet Selves > > Love Caroline > > " Allow each moment to define you, the light and the dark and everything > and nothing inbetween. Then you will come to know how glorious you > really are " . CPB > > > Re: Re: marianne > > > Hi again Randy, > > In a message dated 3/25/04 6:47:59 PM Central Standard Time, > randyb101055@y... writes: > > > > I feel that it doesn't matter how I label the pain and gloom of > > depression. If I say that the feeling is bad, I still feel the > > horrible pain. If I say that it is good, nothing happens--I still > > feel awful. This is where the work breaks down for me. Changing my > > thinking about the despair does nothing. > > > boy do i hear this. whatever the label (story) i came up with, good or > bad, > it didn't fix it, which is what i thought i wanted to do. the label > good or > bad didn't really describe my experience either. the reality for me was > that > sometimes i did feel depressed, for whatever the reason. then when > katie asked > us to be with the feeling, without the labels, just notice what was > happening > when we were having the experience, which was real (of anger, or > depression, > or a headache, a heartache, a sadness), i noticed that the specific > feelings > in that moment were in my body, tiredness, heat in my arms, tightness in > my > chest, a feeling of being constricted, whatever, and they were just > that, no more > no less. and when i got rid of the story, (meaning i met it as what it > was, > a feeling in this moment--no story about how it was in the past and how > i was > afraid it might be in the future) and just got into what i was > experiencing in > that moment, i was ok. in that moment. no suffering. in that moment. > and > then the moments began to string together until the moments i felt ok > (regardless of what was going on or what i was " feeling " ) seemed to keep > growing. > > Love Robyn > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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