Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Hi there, I am usually just lurking but being a nurse also I want to put my 2 cents worth in. It's all about attaching to thought and investigating. My interpretation is that is saying her body is her doctor's business and not that she wants you to take up that thought. If her statement irritates you - investigate the thought. I too initially had the same reaction to s statement. Then I realised that what I was doing was attaching to thoughts " shouldn't say that " and " my body is my business " . As a nurse I have my own supply of information. If a doctor says " take that pill " I can either take it or not. If I have stress around it I investigate. I got into never seeing doctors because of what I have seen in my career. Now I have dropped the thought that " doctor's are pill pushers " , " doctors think they know everything and they don't " etc,. etc. Well now I go if I want to and don't when I don't want to. I end up benefitting from input from someone who may have more knowledge than me. I am interested in medicine and health and so take the time to figure things out for myself by getting information wherever I can. Now the opposite occurs when I take my car to a mechanic I let them do whatever they suggest. I go to what I think is a reputable garage. I leave them alone 'cos first I know lots less than them about car parts and second, I don't want to be bothered trying to find out enough to second guess them. I go, pay my money and get my car fixed, no attachment, this works for me. I could do the same thing for my body if I wanted to. I have a thought that I am not making myself clear and never do when I try to explain things. Where are my worksheets........... With loving thoughts Doreen Re: Health and the body That's not a true statement that a person's B/P cannot be controlled by them. It can and that's a fact. That's what biofeedback is all about.--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 > I found it difficult to accept a passage in 's book, " Your body > is not your business, it's the business of your doctor. " I'm a nurse > and have seen too many doctors prescribe unnecessary drugs and > surgeries for trusting patients, including small children. > > The nursing profession is trying to get patients to take more > responsibility for their health and bodies not less. Doctors need to > be taken off " unquestioned " pedestals. I had the same stop when I have read this. But here is what means I think. That what happens to your body in many cases is beyond your control. Which it is. We can get cut, or hit by a car, or catch a virus. It isn't " us " doing it, it's just happening. We don't have to think we are responsible, that we control our body. If you read later in the book I think there is a question about getting your teeth cleaned. gets her teeth cleaned because she doesn't want to lose her teeth, " silly me " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 In the book I objected to the phrase " Your body is your doctor's business not yours " (pp166) If my doctor tells me to take a potent B/P medication and it has several dangerous side effects, I may opt to take a less dangerous treatment thus making my body's B/P my business not his. How rational is it to turn the health of my body over to someone else who is not as " fond " of it as I am? > > I found it difficult to accept a passage in 's book, " Your body > > is not your business, it's the business of your doctor. " I'm a nurse > > and have seen too many doctors prescribe unnecessary drugs and > > surgeries for trusting patients, including small children. > > > > The nursing profession is trying to get patients to take more > > responsibility for their health and bodies not less. Doctors need to > > be taken off " unquestioned " pedestals. > > I had the same stop when I have read this. But here is what > means I think. That what happens to your body in many cases is beyond > your control. Which it is. We can get cut, or hit by a car, or catch a > virus. It isn't " us " doing it, it's just happening. We don't have to > think we are responsible, that we control our body. > > If you read later in the book I think there is a question about > getting your teeth cleaned. gets her teeth cleaned because she > doesn't want to lose her teeth, " silly me " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 > In the book I objected to the phrase " Your body is your doctor's > business not yours " (pp166) If my doctor tells me to take a potent > B/P medication and it has several dangerous side effects, I may opt > to take a less dangerous treatment thus making my body's B/P my > business not his. How rational is it to turn the health of my body > over to someone else who is not as " fond " of it as I am? Well, your blood pressure is not your business in the sense that you don't " control " it. It is what it is. Whether you will take your meds, or comply with the doctor's direction, or investigate some other avenues for treating your high B/P, or ignore it, that is up to you. Of course. But the B/P itself is not your business because you don't make it happen. will sometimes ask " are you breathing you? " meaning that if you don't think about it, does your breathing just happen? My B/P just happens this way, like breathing, so it is not " my business " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 That's not a true statement that a person's B/P cannot be controlled by them. It can and that's a fact. That's what biofeedback is all about. > > In the book I objected to the phrase " Your body is your doctor's > > business not yours " (pp166) If my doctor tells me to take a potent > > B/P medication and it has several dangerous side effects, I may opt > > to take a less dangerous treatment thus making my body's B/P my > > business not his. How rational is it to turn the health of my body > > over to someone else who is not as " fond " of it as I am? > > Well, your blood pressure is not your business in the sense that you > don't " control " it. It is what it is. > > Whether you will take your meds, or comply with the doctor's > direction, or investigate some other avenues for treating your high > B/P, or ignore it, that is up to you. Of course. But the B/P itself is > not your business because you don't make it happen. > > will sometimes ask " are you breathing you? " meaning that if you > don't think about it, does your breathing just happen? My B/P just > happens this way, like breathing, so it is not " my business " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 > That's not a true statement that a person's B/P cannot be controlled > by them. It can and that's a fact. That's what biofeedback is all > about. Well, I can't control mine. I get a reading at the doctor's office and they tell me what it is. Now, if it is high, I can change my diet, I can excercise differently, I can do biofeedback or whatever. No doubt about it. You don't have to pretend you are helpless. The work isn't about that. But really, after all is said and done, B/P is what it is. Just like my weight is what it is. I can diet, but today, it is what it is and if I can accept what is, I am at peace and happy. If I am fighting my weight, or my B/P, I will be upset about it. This gets down to the core of investigation (everything does). If you love what is, why would you want to change anything? Why wouldn't you be like the penniless beggar living under the bridge, satisfied with having nothing? The reality is that you can love what is, and also you can find yourself wanting to get up in the morning, lift weights, work, alter your eating habits. I feel good when I do these things. Loving what is does not mean I am passive about my body or my health. But it means that I can love what it is now, at this moment, even though I am working on changing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Thank you Doreen for your feedback. I too tried to work with my thoughts by using the " car analogy " but it wasn't until I gave up and decided to go take a bath that the healing answer came to me: my business is taking care of the irrational beliefs and thoughts that are behind any illness. I don't have to concern myself with what is not my business or is not anyone else's business when I'm focused on " what is my business. " Then I thought about how I'm always saying the bureaucratic hospitals are just putting bandaids on the nursing shortage problems and when I turned it around and applied it to myself, I discovered I was just putting bandaids on my body problems. Ex: It's not a soy and garlic filled diet I need to be concerned about to ease arthritic pain; it's the irrational beliefs I'm holding onto that I need to look at. Besides, now that I think about it, when I worked with stage 4 cancer patients the main focus of my work was helping them changed core belief systems about who they were and what they wanted their lives to be. Interesting hey? > Hi there, I am usually just lurking but being a nurse also I want to put my 2 cents worth in. > > It's all about attaching to thought and investigating. My interpretation is that is saying her body is her doctor's business and not that she wants you to take up that thought. If her statement irritates you - investigate the thought. > > I too initially had the same reaction to s statement. Then I realised that what I was doing was attaching to thoughts " shouldn't say that " and " my body is my business " . As a nurse I have my own supply of information. If a doctor says " take that pill " I can either take it or not. If I have stress around it I investigate. I got into never seeing doctors because of what I have seen in my career. Now I have dropped the thought that " doctor's are pill pushers " , " doctors think they know everything and they don't " etc,. etc. Well now I go if I want to and don't when I don't want to. I end up benefitting from input from someone who may have more knowledge than me. I am interested in medicine and health and so take the time to figure things out for myself by getting information wherever I can. > > Now the opposite occurs when I take my car to a mechanic I let them do whatever they suggest. I go to what I think is a reputable garage. I leave them alone 'cos first I know lots less than them about car parts and second, I don't want to be bothered trying to find out enough to second guess them. I go, pay my money and get my car fixed, no attachment, this works for me. I could do the same thing for my body if I wanted to. > > I have a thought that I am not making myself clear and never do when I try to explain things. Where are my worksheets........... > > With loving thoughts > Doreen > > > Re: Health and the body > > > That's not a true statement that a person's B/P cannot be controlled > by them. It can and that's a fact. That's what biofeedback is all > about.--- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 Dear openeyes, It is true what you write, that Doctors do prescribe unecessary drugs. But then again, should people not trust their doctors? It may be much more comforting to them. If I think there is something wrong about my doctor, I go to another one. also says that she brushes her teeth because she likes to chew. The passage does not mean that you should not care about your body. It means you should not be angry with it. If it hurts, it hurst and if ther is something you can do about it, do it. Be kind to yourself and be kind to your body. Don't _blame_ it. This is where it is not your buisiness. But you can care for it. That's what I hear. caringly, Am 24.01.2004 um 11:03 schrieb Loving-what-is : > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:37:46 -0000 > > Subject: Health and the body > > I found it difficult to accept a passage in 's book, " Your body > is not your business, it's the business of your doctor. " I'm a nurse > and have seen too many doctors prescribe unnecessary drugs and > surgeries for trusting patients, including small children. > > The nursing profession is trying to get patients to take more > responsibility for their health and bodies not less. Doctors need to > be taken off " unquestioned " pedestals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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