Guest guest Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 How old is Jaunene? My daughter is 14,months and does not have seizures. She has also had a 48 hr EEG and with no seizure activity. Sent from my iPad > > Melatonin only helps you to fall asleep and then wears off. So my guess is that it wouldn't help your son to sleep longer. I know a lot of parents that have to give their kids Valum at night to get a few hours of sleep. I would try to investigate What's waking your son. Could be seizures. Dr Dobbyns said at the 2012 convention that everyone with PMG will have seizures while sleeping. We don't see any seizure activity with Jaunene. We asked if it would be beneficial to set up video monitors and he said with " us " that we shouldn't worry ourselves until we start seeing side effects from seizures. Said we are fortunate that Jaunene isn't being affected. > > > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > > Thanks much, > > Candace > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 I understand that seizures can develop at any age and at any time. I'm just curious on when they started for everyone's little ones. I feel very blessed that my daughter has not had them yet....because I'm sure she will at some point. Sent from my iPad > I don't post often on this site but I just wanted to let you know what were told. My daughter is 4 1/2 and has bilateral PMG (frontal, parietal, & tempral regions affected) she is followed at CHOP in Philly. We were told at age 4 she has a 75% increased risk of developing seizures, she never had a single seizure until 2 weeks before her 4th birthday. She now has partial complex seizurez, atonic seizures, focal seizures and nocturnal seizures. There is alsways a chance they can develop, they did for her. Good luck! > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > > > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Candace > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 I also do not post often, but I wanted to let you know about my experience with seizures. My daughter is 11 1/2 and has bilateral PMG. She and we have been very blessed because she has not had a seizure. We are aware that she is always at risk. So you never know. -do you live in Philly? We are in land. Also, does anyone know if there is an organization that provides college scholarships to children with PMG? To: polymicrogyria From: schreiber678@... Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:10:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Melatonin I understand that seizures can develop at any age and at any time. I'm just curious on when they started for everyone's little ones. I feel very blessed that my daughter has not had them yet....because I'm sure she will at some point. Sent from my iPad > I don't post often on this site but I just wanted to let you know what were told. My daughter is 4 1/2 and has bilateral PMG (frontal, parietal, & tempral regions affected) she is followed at CHOP in Philly. We were told at age 4 she has a 75% increased risk of developing seizures, she never had a single seizure until 2 weeks before her 4th birthday. She now has partial complex seizurez, atonic seizures, focal seizures and nocturnal seizures. There is alsways a chance they can develop, they did for her. Good luck! > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > > > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Candace > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Our son started @ 5 months. He is now 7 yrs old. PMG bilateral (mainly on left frontal side to temporal area) It can't be surgically removed safely. He has every type of seizure about 5-10 a day. He has VNS Therapy and is on 3 meds that he tolerates. He has continued to show cognitive improvement despite the continued seizures. He use to have gran mal every 3 days up to 20+ minutes prior to VNS which he got when he was 4. His seizures now usually last from 30 seconds to 3 minutes. We go to Boston Childrens. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Re: Melatonin I understand that seizures can develop at any age and at any time. I'm just curious on when they started for everyone's little ones. I feel very blessed that my daughter has not had them yet....because I'm sure she will at some point. Sent from my iPad > I don't post often on this site but I just wanted to let you know what were told. My daughter is 4 1/2 and has bilateral PMG (frontal, parietal, & tempral regions affected) she is followed at CHOP in Philly. We were told at age 4 she has a 75% increased risk of developing seizures, she never had a single seizure until 2 weeks before her 4th birthday. She now has partial complex seizurez, atonic seizures, focal seizures and nocturnal seizures. There is alsways a chance they can develop, they did for her. Good luck! > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > > > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Candace > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 My  son, started at 3 months. He is now 18 years old and is controlled with  Keppra.   Went though the trial and error years too. Started on it in 2002 and except for febrile seizures that are coming less and less, he is doing great. Cognitively impaired but quite functional and we are thrilled with how far he has come. DON " T Ever assume because your child is not developing for long periods that he or she has reached their limit. They are slowed constantly by their health issues and can move forward at any time. Never assume they are done. We all learn everyday of our lives and they do too. Just have a hard time letting us know. ________________________________ To: " polymicrogyria " <polymicrogyria > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Re: Melatonin  I understand that seizures can develop at any age and at any time. I'm just curious on when they started for everyone's little ones. I feel very blessed that my daughter has not had them yet....because I'm sure she will at some point. Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2012, at 9:56 AM, " elisabeckman " <mailto:ehb%40comcast.net> wrote: > I don't post often on this site but I just wanted to let you know what were told. My daughter is 4 1/2 and has bilateral PMG (frontal, parietal, & tempral regions affected) she is followed at CHOP in Philly. We were told at age 4 she has a 75% increased risk of developing seizures, she never had a single seizure until 2 weeks before her 4th birthday. She now has partial complex seizurez, atonic seizures, focal seizures and nocturnal seizures. There is alsways a chance they can develop, they did for her. Good luck! > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > > > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Candace > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 It took us a long time to get 's seizures under control and I feel blessed that he sleeps now. Just keep in mind always that it could be reflux too that is disturbing them. They don't sleep really deep at times then if there is discomfort it would rouse them. Keep trying. Blessings to all of you. ________________________________ To: " polymicrogyria " <polymicrogyria > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Melatonin  My son's neurologist had us start him on melatonin about 6 months ago to help him fall asleep. However it does not keep him from waking up.he is eleven and had his first grandmal seizure on his tenth birthday.after not responding well to medicine his neurologist ordered MRI which showed he had both polymicrogyria and PVNH. Even as infant he had trouble sleeping and the neurologist told me that most likely he has always had seizure activity in his sleep.we see the neurology team at CHOP. He is scheduled to go back for 3 more days next month for another EEG sleep study Sent from my iPad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Communication devices are great fun for all of us. A time of discovery. People are constantly amazed as well as the family that can find icons and expressions so quickly. We often can't follow so we know which sections he found the words. Best of luck to you. ________________________________ To: polymicrogyria Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: Melatonin  Hi , Jaunene is 18 yrs old!!! She was diagnosed at 6 mos with ILS/PMG and has CP and Microcephaly secondary and EEG did show she had Myoclonic and IS seizures. We only saw jerks when giving her the bottle and it looked like when WE start falling asleep and sometimes jump, which stopped after putting her on Phenobarbital. We DID see 1 seizure when she was 7 yrs old due to out growing her dose. Neuro changed her meds to a very low MG of Depakote Sprinkles and have not seen any seizures since. She only sees her Neuro for annual check ups and is still on the same dose. She really is highly intelligent, but not seen due to not being able to speak. However, she proved to the State Evaluators that she can and comprehends the MyTobbi Eye Gaze Communication Device and also showed she retains memory!! Minimum requirement to pass is 12 fields with 2-4 pictures, she flew thru the test doing 30 fields with 10 pictures. With that, the evaluators said she's definitely at level 3, possibly level 4!!!!!! We Just got her device last Friday and I'm so excited to get her started to see where exactly her level is truly at. My 2 older kids said " once Jaunene starts speaking, they're gonna have to run away from home " ! LOL > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > > Thanks much, > > Candace > > Sent from my iPad > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Did you get the report and read it? Sent from Samsung Conquerâ„¢ 4G wrote: How old is Jaunene? My daughter is 14,months and does not have seizures. She has also had a 48 hr EEG and with no seizure activity. Sent from my iPad > > Melatonin only helps you to fall asleep and then wears off. So my guess is that it wouldn't help your son to sleep longer. I know a lot of parents that have to give their kids Valum at night to get a few hours of sleep. I would try to investigate What's waking your son. Could be seizures. Dr Dobbyns said at the 2012 convention that everyone with PMG will have seizures while sleeping. We don't see any seizure activity with Jaunene. We asked if it would be beneficial to set up video monitors and he said with " us " that we shouldn't worry ourselves until we start seeing side effects from seizures. Said we are fortunate that Jaunene isn't being affected. > > > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > > Thanks much, > > Candace > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 I have the report and her neurologist read over it with me. Along with another seizure specialist. Sent from my iPhone > Did you get the report and read it? > > Sent from Samsung Conquerâ„¢ 4G > > wrote: > > How old is Jaunene? My daughter is 14,months and does not have seizures. She has also had a 48 hr EEG and with no seizure activity. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > Melatonin only helps you to fall asleep and then wears off. So my guess is that it wouldn't help your son to sleep longer. I know a lot of parents that have to give their kids Valum at night to get a few hours of sleep. I would try to investigate What's waking your son. Could be seizures. Dr Dobbyns said at the 2012 convention that everyone with PMG will have seizures while sleeping. We don't see any seizure activity with Jaunene. We asked if it would be beneficial to set up video monitors and he said with " us " that we shouldn't worry ourselves until we start seeing side effects from seizures. Said we are fortunate that Jaunene isn't being affected. > > > > > > > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > > > Thanks much, > > > Candace > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Hi, I have seen many post with CHOP in them. How many of us go to CHOP? Would any one be interested in getting a group together to meet. I would love to meet other families who share our lives. To: polymicrogyria From: ehb@... Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:58:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Melatonin -I live about an hour north of Philadelphia, in Bucks County. We are at CHOP on average 4-6 times a month as well at Dupont Children's 3 times a month. She keeps me busy as do all of our little ones! I am glad to hear that your daughter does not have seizures. How is she otherwise? a does not eat much by mouth, we were told she has a very weak swallow and structurally she cannot tolerate swallowing anything thicker than a cream base consistency soup. I thake her 3 days a week for E-stim therapy to help her swallow. We have been at it for 1 1/2 years so far and she is starting to plateau. She has numerous other medical issues but that would require writing a book! Where in MD do you live? We just went to OC for our first vacation ever with a. She was trached since birth and the trach tube came out last March and her Dr's were ok with her going away finally! It was so amazing in OC! What a great place! > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > > > > > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > > > Candace > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I would love to get together! Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Candace DeBaecke wrote: > >Hi, I have seen many post with CHOP in them. How many of us go to CHOP? Would any one be interested in getting a group together to meet. I would love to meet other families who share our lives. > To: polymicrogyria >From: ehb@... >Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:58:24 +0000 >Subject: Re: Melatonin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -I live about an hour north of Philadelphia, in Bucks County. We are at CHOP on average 4-6 times a month as well at Dupont Children's 3 times a month. She keeps me busy as do all of our little ones! I am glad to hear that your daughter does not have seizures. How is she otherwise? a does not eat much by mouth, we were told she has a very weak swallow and structurally she cannot tolerate swallowing anything thicker than a cream base consistency soup. I thake her 3 days a week for E-stim therapy to help her swallow. We have been at it for 1 1/2 years so far and she is starting to plateau. She has numerous other medical issues but that would require writing a book! Where in MD do you live? We just went to OC for our first vacation ever with a. She was trached since birth and the trach tube came out last March and her Dr's were ok with her going away finally! It was so amazing in OC! What a great place! > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > >> > >> > > > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > >> > >> > > > > Thanks much, > >> > >> > > > > Candace > >> > >> > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Hi, we live in central jersey. we could pick a place between. To: polymicrogyria From: michellem81@... Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:03:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Melatonin My son goes to CHOP.we live in south jersey about 20 minutes from the main CHOP hospital.i would be interested in meeting up if not too far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > > > > > > > > > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > > > > > > > Candace > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Hi, where do you live. We live in central jersey. To: polymicrogyria From: ehb@... Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:55:34 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: Melatonin I would love to get together! Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Candace DeBaecke wrote: > >Hi, I have seen many post with CHOP in them. How many of us go to CHOP? Would any one be interested in getting a group together to meet. I would love to meet other families who share our lives. > To: polymicrogyria >From: ehb@... >Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:58:24 +0000 >Subject: Re: Melatonin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -I live about an hour north of Philadelphia, in Bucks County. We are at CHOP on average 4-6 times a month as well at Dupont Children's 3 times a month. She keeps me busy as do all of our little ones! I am glad to hear that your daughter does not have seizures. How is she otherwise? a does not eat much by mouth, we were told she has a very weak swallow and structurally she cannot tolerate swallowing anything thicker than a cream base consistency soup. I thake her 3 days a week for E-stim therapy to help her swallow. We have been at it for 1 1/2 years so far and she is starting to plateau. She has numerous other medical issues but that would require writing a book! Where in MD do you live? We just went to OC for our first vacation ever with a. She was trached since birth and the trach tube came out last March and her Dr's were ok with her going away finally! It was so amazing in OC! What a great place! > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > >> > >> > > > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > >> > >> > > > > Thanks much, > >> > >> > > > > Candace > >> > >> > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 We live in Bucks County, Doylestown. Not to far from central Jersey. We travel to CHOP about once a week, sometimes more! We keep adding doctors and unfortunately none have clinic on the same days or if they do I am never able to schedule appts on the same days! I find myself there 2-3 times in one week! We are so fortunate to have CHOP so close to home though. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Candace DeBaecke wrote: > >Hi, where do you live. We live in central jersey. > To: polymicrogyria >From: ehb@... >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:55:34 -0400 >Subject: RE: Re: Melatonin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to get together! > > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > >Candace DeBaecke wrote: > > > >> > >>Hi, I have seen many post with CHOP in them. How many of us go to CHOP? Would any one be interested in getting a group together to meet. I would love to meet other families who share our lives. > >> To: polymicrogyria > >>From: ehb@... > >>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:58:24 +0000 > >>Subject: Re: Melatonin > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -I live about an hour north of Philadelphia, in Bucks County. We are at CHOP on average 4-6 times a month as well at Dupont Children's 3 times a month. She keeps me busy as do all of our little ones! I am glad to hear that your daughter does not have seizures. How is she otherwise? a does not eat much by mouth, we were told she has a very weak swallow and structurally she cannot tolerate swallowing anything thicker than a cream base consistency soup. I thake her 3 days a week for E-stim therapy to help her swallow. We have been at it for 1 1/2 years so far and she is starting to plateau. She has numerous other medical issues but that would require writing a book! Where in MD do you live? We just went to OC for our first vacation ever with a. She was trached since birth and the trach tube came out last March and her Dr's were ok with her going away finally! It was so amazing in OC! What a great place! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > Hi, thanks for all the great info! I agree we have to do therapy every day with our kids, but I don't think I'm a replacement for the the professional therapist. I am a nurse who works the night shift so I could be home for all my kids. I am learning so much about this new and crazy world which is now my life. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > Another question I have is about sleeping? My son is not a good sleeper to say the least! We are awake at least 5x per night. And that is probably a decent night? Any advice? I have heard of people using melatonin? Any one with experience, results? > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > Thanks much, > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > Candace > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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