Re: From a Dad - Is it me?

[Guest guest]

Aha! A " do it your selfer " ! I will WAIT Until I can get it myself

cause THIS guy here wants me to sing and dance (or sign for it) I

will wait till he evacuates the area and THEN I will pounce

I have one of those too :)dont feel bad.

He has created ladders out of house hold items that could literally

be put in the architectual hall of fame to get something HIMSELF

before he would ASK for it..

THe effort that is being required to obtain the reinforcer (even if

it is JUST a simple sign) MAYBE be dropping the value of reinfrocer

for the moment. Remember most behavior is learned and he most proably

engages in this behavior because the last CAUSE And EFFECT in this

particular " set up " was that he is expected to do something , that he

would rather not do, or maybe too much effort to do

And so hence he awaits the opportunity to GET IT HIM SELF (which

requires very little of a skill that he finds challenging)

Maybe just practicing non contingently giving it to him for a while

(you COULD Pair up the verbal and sign AS he is getting it but NOT

requiring him to SAY It/SIGN IT) Maybe more parctice in this area

FIRST?

and wait to see if he comes back for more and if you see the

motivation is high enough THEN have him " ask for it " ..trying echo-

mands at first before your expectation of mands.

Also try being more specific with the signs.. instead of using

autoclictics like MORE or PLEASE.. try JUST the actual item NAME

like " WAFFLE " or sign for waffle

But first an foremost give him a dose of it non contingently and wait

till he comes back for more.

The SHEER motivation could be lost once he sees that there will be a

response effort beyond what he is willing to do.

Remember the variables of reinforcment

they each can out do each other and be in flux with one another

keep in mind

V alue (how much do I want it)

I mmediacy (how quickly will I obtain it

R ate (how often will I get it)

M agnitude (how much of it will I get)

E ffort (how much is required of me to obtain the item)

Good luck! And let us know how your non contingent THEN echo mands

THEN mands go!

--- In , " paul_serame " <paul_serame@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Folks,

>

> I need some advise on a problem I'm having.

>

> Our 3 1/2yo son with ASD is mostly non-verbal, but he knows over a

> dozen signs and growing. He is making good progress in his ABA

> program and his team thinks he is compliant and doing great.

>

> However, away from his sessions, he does things that make me throw

my

> arms up in the air. For example, when I know he's really hungry,

I'll

> be holding a plate of food in my hand, and wait for him to mand for

> the food. I know he know the signs (either food or food please,

etc),

> but he'll just ignore me. Then I try to model the signs, and he

goes

> off and plays with a toy, still ignoring me. So after awhile I'll

go

> back in the kitchen and place the food in the high part of the

> counter.

>

> A few minutes later I'll walk back in the kitchen and there he is

> standing on TOP of a chair chowing down on the food that I thought

> was out of his reach, and there I am with my arms in the air.

>

> And this example is for starters. There are other variations of the

> same theme.

>

> So, is this a " I'm a kid, ha ha 3 year old behavior " or am I

totally

> missing the picture and doing something wrong? If so, how do I fix

it?

>

> Thanks plenty,

>

>

[Guest guest]

***Disclaimer***

I am not an expert, nor do I play one on the Internet (or TV).

LOL! ;-)

,

It sounds as though you've got a GREAT KID! :-)

You just have to admire his practical, resourceful, problem solving skills.

However, perhaps you might want to think about using Pre-Event Announcements -

with sufficient lead time to set the sequence of events to follow.

Something to consider:

It may be that your son needs some time to " hear " what's been said, " comprehend "

it, and " mull " it over BEFORE he can take action.

Announcing what's going to happen IN ADVANCE can go a long way to help.

I works for me. :-)

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Sharafanowich, Devon's Dad

--- " paul_serame " <paul_serame@...> wrote:

Hi Folks,

I need some advise on a problem I'm having.

Our 3 1/2yo son with ASD is mostly non-verbal, but he knows over a

dozen signs and growing. He is making good progress in his ABA

program and his team thinks he is compliant and doing great.

However, away from his sessions, he does things that make me throw my

arms up in the air. For example, when I know he's really hungry, I'll

be holding a plate of food in my hand, and wait for him to mand for

the food. I know he know the signs (either food or food please, etc),

but he'll just ignore me. Then I try to model the signs, and he goes

off and plays with a toy, still ignoring me. So after awhile I'll go

back in the kitchen and place the food in the high part of the

counter.

A few minutes later I'll walk back in the kitchen and there he is

standing on TOP of a chair chowing down on the food that I thought

was out of his reach, and there I am with my arms in the air.

And this example is for starters. There are other variations of the

same theme.

So, is this a " I'm a kid, ha ha 3 year old behavior " or am I totally

missing the picture and doing something wrong? If so, how do I fix it?

Thanks plenty,

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