Re: Re: Bad night/Teena

[Guest guest]

Teena,

Last year when I went to a DAN conference there was a

Dr. who spoke about bipolar and autism. He thought

there was a relation and he was using EFA's to treat

people with bi-polar with great success. Gray(AS)

does take cod liver oil, evening primrose and an EFA

oil and it really does seem to help him. My 16 yo dd

has been suspected of bipolar for several years now

and I would really like to try this with her but my ex

has custody and is not really interested in helping

her. Have you ever tried supplements and do they

help?

--- Deanna wrote:

> Teena- thank you so much for that post full of

> information. I t

> really helps me understand my husbands

> moods/behaviors better.

> Deanna

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Your son sounds so much like me when I am agitated

> and having rage

> mania....I am severely noise sensitive. I can

> literally go totally

> ballistic and I am an adult. Besides being noise

> sensitive, I also am

> touch and smell sensitive too. So if that baby would

> have done a

> dirty diaper that would have made the situation even

> worse. I

> actually feel like I go into a kind of rage type

> trance where I am

> cussing (I never cuss other wise) and get very

> physical and punch and

> hit or throw things.

> >

> > Has your son's therapist ever said you should

> never restrain him?

> My ex once did that to me, he dragged me kicking and

> screaming to his

> bedroom (we were separated at the time and it made

> me feel even more

> threatened). I thought I was going to pop a blood

> vessel in my

> brain, I think my blood pressure about hit the

> ceiling. I am

> diagnosed with bipolar disorder but many of my

> symptoms are very much

> the same as AS. And my therapist says you should

> never restrain

> someone that is flipping out because you could

> injure them.

> >

> > The best thing for me is to take me into a quiet

> place, alone with

> one person in the car (no lecturing). Let me sit

> there for as long as

> it takes with my arms crossed in silence until I can

> calm down on my

> own. Or use key words that you develop ahead of

> time. My fiance uses

> words like waterfall when he sees me getting

> obsessive thoughts. That

> way I know that I am getting obsessive and I have to

> imagine

> waterfalls flowing thru my head and washing my

> thoughts out of my

> head. I don't know how that would work on a child

> your son's age.

> >

> > But I think separating him, walking him out of the

> store and

> outside. When I was younger I took walks by myself

> for an hour and

> then would come back home. Other wise I would sit on

> the couch with

> my arms folded and ignore and shut everyone out

> until I could calm

> down. Sometimes I could stay angry at someone for

> days. As an adult I

> learned to ignore people for weeks, I would give

> them the cold

> shoulder and not talk to them and avoid them.

> >

> > After is explosion, what is your son like. Is he

> depressed? I

> would usually break down pretty bad and then be

> depressed for awhile.

> Mostly because I lost control of myself. Also I

> think that sometimes

> it wasn't always because I really wanted something

> that caused me to

> act up, it was because I felt that someone else was

> controlling the

> situation. Control was a big thing to me. Because I

> couldn't control

> myself and the way I acted at times. I didn't want

> anyone else

> controlling me.

> >

> > Funny thing is when I really wanted something and

> would finally get

> that thing....like the video your son so badly

> wants. Then I would

> have this big let down after getting it. Like it

> really didn't make

> me all that happy having it after all when I finally

> got it. I bet if

> you got it now for him. He wouldn't even care. The

> video isn't the

> issue.

> >

> > Luckily Topamax really helps the noise in my head

> and mood swings.

> And Inderal as needed really helps with break

> through rage and

> agitation and anxiety. More doctors are using

> Inderal for children

> now for agitation.

> >

> > Teena

> > Bad night

> >

> >

> > Well had an awful evening here. We missed

> something Nic had a

> huge meltdown

> > in front of out of town company that lasted

> about an hour..only

> reason

> > finally stopped is we drugged him and cuddled

> him in bed till he

> went to

> > sleep.

> >

> > Am so

> disappointed/embarassed/angry/frustrated/tired.

> Usually we

> catch

> > things before they get this far but we sure blew

> it today:( He

> lost it over

> > not being allowed a movie at the movie store

> because he was not

> listening at

> > the grocery store. It escalated until he was

> screaming yelling

> kicking and

> > generally flipping out over this. We physically

> had to restrain

> him. He is

> > getting big. He could not get control over

> himself or over the

> situation.

> > We calmly and firmly spoke to him and did not

> give in but wow am

> so darned

> > drained and do not want to face these in-laws.

> >

> > We finally clued in to one of the problems. Our

> visitors have a

> baby.

> > Everytime tonight he would start to cry Nic

> covered his ears...so

> i guess

> > the baby and the extra people and the change in

> routine have all

> been way to

> > much.

> >

> > we all screw up right? Why is it then when we do

> we feel lower

> then low.

> > And of course on top of this there is nothing

> wrong with our son

> that would

> > have these kind of behavior issues....so i guess

> I just bloody

> well imagined

> > the last hour and a half!!

> >

> > Anyway thanks for listening to the rant.

> >

> > ... Nic 6.5 and almost 5.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I tried the fish oil but I belch that so bad that I had to quit it. I have tried the flax seed oil but someone told me it is not the same, so I haven't been very faithful about taking it. I guess I could try it again. I have a lot of quirky problems like irritable bladder at times, so taking b-complex for some reason bothers it.

My mother has suggested taking Tofu...LOL.. they say soy products are really good for a lot of ailments, so I just went out and got some. I am going to try eating a little bit of tofu every night and see what that does. Tofu is also suppose to help premenopausal women (I am 43) so I figure that might be helpful and it is natural.

I have taken acidophilis capsules, it is the stuff that is in yogart. It is suppose to be good for the digestive tract, but I also noticed it seems to help with redness and itching of my face (I have rosecea).

I have an article on Magnesium...for using it on children with ADD and ADHD....I can send that article. It talks about natural remedies and how to tell if a child needs magnesium and certain supplements. If they are ticklish or not, etc.

Teena

Bad night> > > > > > Well had an awful evening here. We missed> something Nic had a > huge meltdown> > in front of out of town company that lasted> about an hour..only > reason> > finally stopped is we drugged him and cuddled> him in bed till he > went to> > sleep. > > > > Am so> disappointed/embarassed/angry/frustrated/tired.> Usually we > catch> > things before they get this far but we sure blew> it today:( He > lost it over> > not being allowed a movie at the movie store> because he was not > listening at> > the grocery store. It escalated until he was> screaming yelling > kicking and> > generally flipping out over this. We physically> had to restrain > him. He is> > getting big. He could not get control over> himself or over the > situation.> > We calmly and firmly spoke to him and did not> give in but wow am > so darned> > drained and do not want to face these in-laws.> > > > We finally clued in to one of the problems. Our> visitors have a > baby.> > Everytime tonight he would start to cry Nic> covered his ears...so > i guess> > the baby and the extra people and the change in> routine have all > been way to> > much.> > > > we all screw up right? Why is it then when we do> we feel lower > then low.> > And of course on top of this there is nothing> wrong with our son > that would> > have these kind of behavior issues....so i guess> I just bloody > well imagined> > the last hour and a half!!> > > > Anyway thanks for listening to the rant.> > > > ... Nic 6.5 and almost 5.> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Actually I am half Japanese so I don't mind the taste of tofu, I grew up on weird tasting stuff...LOL...I actually like it with soy sauce. But thanks for the idea. I think that I would like my children to eat tofu, it would be good for them. Tofu takes on the taste of most anything you make it with. So if you put chicken or beef broth with it, it will take on that taste. I was thinking you could maybe make a gravy out of it. Never thought of pudding. I am going to try that though.

Teena

Bad night> > > > > > Well had an awful evening here. We missed> something Nic had a > huge meltdown> > in front of out of town company that lasted> about an hour..only > reason> > finally stopped is we drugged him and cuddled> him in bed till he > went to> > sleep. > > > > Am so> disappointed/embarassed/angry/frustrated/tired.> Usually we > catch> > things before they get this far but we sure blew> it today:( He > lost it over> > not being allowed a movie at the movie store> because he was not > listening at> > the grocery store. It escalated until he was> screaming yelling > kicking and> > generally flipping out over this. We physically> had to restrain > him. He is> > getting big. He could not get control over> himself or over the > situation.> > We calmly and firmly spoke to him and did not> give in but wow am > so darned> > drained and do not want to face these in-laws.> > > > We finally clued in to one of the problems. Our> visitors have a > baby.> > Everytime tonight he would start to cry Nic> covered his ears...so > i guess> > the baby and the extra people and the change in> routine have all > been way to> > much.> > > > we all screw up right? Why is it then when we do> we feel lower > then low.> > And of course on top of this there is nothing> wrong with our son > that would> > have these kind of behavior issues....so i guess> I just bloody > well imagined> > the last hour and a half!!> > > > Anyway thanks for listening to the rant.> > > > ... Nic 6.5 and almost 5.> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Teena,

I just found this product this week that has made getting tofu in Garrett easier (he doesn't like the texture of meat so I am using meat substitutes). There is a company called Mori Nu that makes an all natural pudding that is completely dairy free. You make it with tofu. One serving is about a quarter of the container of tofu. Believe it or not it tastes really good, but it is very sweet. It doesn't contain any refined sugar so it uses pure cane sugar. But just from tasting it you would never know it has tofu in it. You should be able to get it at any local health food store and it is fairly inexpensive.

mom to Garrett age 3 somewhere on the spectrum and a whole host of medical problems too

Bad night> > > > > > Well had an awful evening here. We missed> something Nic had a > huge meltdown> > in front of out of town company that lasted> about an hour..only > reason> > finally stopped is we drugged him and cuddled> him in bed till he > went to> > sleep. > > > > Am so> disappointed/embarassed/angry/frustrated/tired.> Usually we > catch> > things before they get this far but we sure blew> it today:( He > lost it over> > not being allowed a movie at the movie store> because he was not > listening at> > the grocery store. It escalated until he was> screaming yelling > kicking and> > generally flipping out over this. We physically> had to restrain > him. He is> > getting big. He could not get control over> himself or over the > situation.> > We calmly and firmly spoke to him and did not> give in but wow am > so darned> > drained and do not want to face these in-laws.> > > > We finally clued in to one of the problems. Our> visitors have a > baby.> > Everytime tonight he would start to cry Nic> covered his ears...so > i guess> > the baby and the extra people and the change in> routine have all > been way to> > much.> > > > we all screw up right? Why is it then when we do> we feel lower > then low.> > And of course on top of this there is nothing> wrong with our son > that would> > have these kind of behavior issues....so i guess> I just bloody > well imagined> > the last hour and a half!!> > > > Anyway thanks for listening to the rant.> > > > ... Nic 6.5 and almost 5.> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

If the acidophilous helps maybe you have a yeast

problem? I have been considering trying to find a new

doctor because I have some symptoms of a yeast

overgrowth as does Grayson but my Dr scoffs at this.

One of the moms on this site has a web site with some

links to yeast stuff. It would be worth looking into.

--- Teena wrote:

> I tried the fish oil but I belch that so bad that I

> had to quit it. I have tried the flax seed oil but

> someone told me it is not the same, so I haven't

> been very faithful about taking it. I guess I could

> try it again. I have a lot of quirky problems like

> irritable bladder at times, so taking b-complex for

> some reason bothers it.

>

> My mother has suggested taking Tofu...LOL.. they say

> soy products are really good for a lot of ailments,

> so I just went out and got some. I am going to try

> eating a little bit of tofu every night and see what

> that does. Tofu is also suppose to help

> premenopausal women (I am 43) so I figure that might

> be helpful and it is natural.

>

> I have taken acidophilis capsules, it is the stuff

> that is in yogart. It is suppose to be good for the

> digestive tract, but I also noticed it seems to help

> with redness and itching of my face (I have

> rosecea).

>

> I have an article on Magnesium...for using it on

> children with ADD and ADHD....I can send that

> article. It talks about natural remedies and how to

> tell if a child needs magnesium and certain

> supplements. If they are ticklish or not, etc.

>

> Teena

> Re: Re: Bad

> night/Teena

>

>

> Teena,

> Last year when I went to a DAN conference there

> was a

> Dr. who spoke about bipolar and autism. He

> thought

> there was a relation and he was using EFA's to

> treat

> people with bi-polar with great success. Gray(AS)

> does take cod liver oil, evening primrose and an

> EFA

> oil and it really does seem to help him. My 16 yo

> dd

> has been suspected of bipolar for several years

> now

> and I would really like to try this with her but

> my ex

> has custody and is not really interested in

> helping

> her. Have you ever tried supplements and do they

> help?

>

> --- Deanna wrote:

> > Teena- thank you so much for that post full of

> > information. I t

> > really helps me understand my husbands

> > moods/behaviors better.

> > Deanna

>

> >

> >

>

> >

> >

>

> >

> >

> > > Your son sounds so much like me when I am

> agitated

> > and having rage

> > mania....I am severely noise sensitive. I can

> > literally go totally

> > ballistic and I am an adult. Besides being noise

> > sensitive, I also am

> > touch and smell sensitive too. So if that baby

> would

> > have done a

> > dirty diaper that would have made the situation

> even

> > worse. I

> > actually feel like I go into a kind of rage type

> > trance where I am

> > cussing (I never cuss other wise) and get very

> > physical and punch and

> > hit or throw things.

> > >

> > > Has your son's therapist ever said you should

> > never restrain him?

> > My ex once did that to me, he dragged me kicking

> and

> > screaming to his

> > bedroom (we were separated at the time and it

> made

> > me feel even more

> > threatened). I thought I was going to pop a

> blood

> > vessel in my

> > brain, I think my blood pressure about hit the

> > ceiling. I am

> > diagnosed with bipolar disorder but many of my

> > symptoms are very much

> > the same as AS. And my therapist says you should

> > never restrain

> > someone that is flipping out because you could

> > injure them.

> > >

> > > The best thing for me is to take me into a

> quiet

> > place, alone with

> > one person in the car (no lecturing). Let me sit

> > there for as long as

> > it takes with my arms crossed in silence until I

> can

> > calm down on my

> > own. Or use key words that you develop ahead of

> > time. My fiance uses

> > words like waterfall when he sees me getting

> > obsessive thoughts. That

> > way I know that I am getting obsessive and I

> have to

> > imagine

> > waterfalls flowing thru my head and washing my

> > thoughts out of my

> > head. I don't know how that would work on a

> child

> > your son's age.

> > >

> > > But I think separating him, walking him out of

> the

> > store and

> > outside. When I was younger I took walks by

> myself

> > for an hour and

> > then would come back home. Other wise I would

> sit on

> > the couch with

> > my arms folded and ignore and shut everyone out

> > until I could calm

> > down. Sometimes I could stay angry at someone

> for

> > days. As an adult I

> > learned to ignore people for weeks, I would give

> > them the cold

> > shoulder and not talk to them and avoid them.

> > >

> > > After is explosion, what is your son like. Is

> he

> > depressed? I

> > would usually break down pretty bad and then be

> > depressed for awhile.

> > Mostly because I lost control of myself. Also I

> > think that sometimes

> > it wasn't always because I really wanted

> something

> > that caused me to

> > act up, it was because I felt that someone else

> was

> > controlling the

> > situation. Control was a big thing to me.

> Because I

> > couldn't control

> > myself and the way I acted at times. I didn't

> want

> > anyone else

> > controlling me.

> > >

> > > Funny thing is when I really wanted something

> and

> > would finally get

> > that thing....like the video your son so badly

> > wants. Then I would

> > have this big let down after getting it. Like it

> > really didn't make

> > me all that happy having it after all when I

> finally

> > got it. I bet if

> > you got it now for him. He wouldn't even care.

> The

> > video isn't the

> > issue.

> > >

> > > Luckily Topamax really helps the noise in my

> head

> > and mood swings.

> > And Inderal as needed really helps with break

> > through rage and

> > agitation and anxiety. More doctors are using

> > Inderal for children

> > now for agitation.

> > >

> > > Teena

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: Ihmels

> > > To: Aut-Asp ; Autism ; Special Families

> Families

>

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[Guest guest]

Teena, I would be interrested in your article on magnesium. I try to read all the stuff I can on natural alternatives. We use magnesium. You can send the article on the list or email me privately. Thanks in advance, Sharon(moderator)