Re: Flagyl not working...please HELP...

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I would suggest seeing a GI doc - especially if Flagyl isn't working.

Flagyl was my sons wonder drug before we were scoped by Dr. Krigsman.

Since starting treatment for his GI issues - he sleeps through the

night and acquisition rate in school and home has increased. It's been

the best treatment to date.

How long is your course of Flagyl? We do 10 days - perhaps you should

suspend the Flagyl and see if he feels better??

Laureen

Quoting diatplay :

> I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to

> offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and

> even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still

> has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,

> taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3

> 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool

> test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated

> as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm

> than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this

> POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some

> soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His

> eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than

> usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are

> gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him

> suffer so though...

>

> BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this

> house please tell me what to do....thanks.

>

> Di .

>

>

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Laureen, Can I ask you how often was your son on Flagyl? Laureen Forman wrote: I would suggest seeing a GI doc - especially if Flagyl isn't working. Flagyl was my sons wonder drug before we were scoped by Dr. Krigsman. Since starting treatment for his GI issues - he sleeps through the night and acquisition rate in school and home has increased. It's been the best treatment to date.How long is your course of Flagyl? We do 10 days - perhaps you

should suspend the Flagyl and see if he feels better??LaureenQuoting diatplay <diatplay>:> I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to> offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and> even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still> has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,> taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3> 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool> test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated> as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm> than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this> POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some> soaked pecans

for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His> eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than> usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are> gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him> suffer so though...>> BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this> house please tell me what to do....thanks.>> Di .>>

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The first time we did it once for 10 days in Dec 2006 - got great

results that lasted for us for months. Then we were scoped in April

2007 and started with Pentasa & Zantac.

We are now on it again for 10 days/month from March - May to see if we

can help him even more since he seemed to have been going back to

baseline as of this last December we know he's a Flagyl responder.

Laureen

Quoting BRIAN RAZZI :

> Laureen,

>

> Can I ask you how often was your son on Flagyl?

>

> Laureen Forman wrote:

>

> I would suggest seeing a GI doc - especially if Flagyl isn't working.

> Flagyl was my sons wonder drug before we were scoped by Dr. Krigsman.

> Since starting treatment for his GI issues - he sleeps through the

> night and acquisition rate in school and home has increased. It's been

> the best treatment to date.

>

> How long is your course of Flagyl? We do 10 days - perhaps you should

> suspend the Flagyl and see if he feels better??

>

> Laureen

>

> Quoting diatplay :

>

>> I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to

>> offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and

>> even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still

>> has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,

>> taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3

>> 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool

>> test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated

>> as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm

>> than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this

>> POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some

>> soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His

>> eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than

>> usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are

>> gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him

>> suffer so though...

>>

>> BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this

>> house please tell me what to do....thanks.

>>

>> Di .

>>

>>

>

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How do you make the kefired water? We also have a problem with coconut. Thanks.

Flagyl not working...please HELP...

I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to

offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and

even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still

has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,

taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3

1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool

test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated

as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm

than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this

POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some

soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His

eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than

usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are

gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him

suffer so though...

BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this

house please tell me what to do....thanks.

Di .

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Valtrex causes massive yeast here. My son was on it for 4 months...we

just stopped due to yeast that would not die. My son was on rotation

of antifungals, no sugar or yeast feeders. It got so bad his face and

mouth looked rotten (sorry, no better way to describe it). After

being off Valtrex 4 days it is clearing up. And behavior from the

yeast is subsiding too. That is the only thing I can say about it is

Valtrex is most likely the reason.

Good luck...thinking of you guys

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Have you considered switching antivirals?cherylValtrex causes massive yeast here. My son was on it for 4 months...we just stopped due to yeast that would not die. My son was on rotation of antifungals, no sugar or yeast feeders. It got so bad his face and mouth looked rotten (sorry, no better way to describe it). After being off Valtrex 4 days it is clearing up. And behavior from the yeast is subsiding too. That is the only thing I can say about it is Valtrex is most likely the reason.Good luck...thinking of you guys

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,

I just add a kefir packet to a glass bottle full of clean water along w/some agave for the bacteria to feed on and set it on my counter for a couple of days. It's warm now so I didn't bother to heat the water. That's it.

Then I refrigerated it.

Dana

RE: Flagyl not working...please HELP...

Are you giving probiotics along with but away from the Flagyl. Our doc just gave us an rx for Flagyl yesterday (right now we have no yeast but no lactobacillus and plenty of bad bugs). She stressed the importance of probiotics. We are going to do rx strength VSL3 at night. Haven't started yet but that's the plan. We also recently started doing kefired water (just plain water, my kids are allergic to coconut) and their bellies, especially my youngest's who had a real buddha belly going for him, have flattened significantly. Hope this helps.

Hang in there.

Dana

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of diatplaySent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:25 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Flagyl not working...please HELP...

I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral, taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him suffer so though...BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this house please tell me what to do....thanks.Di .

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Dana,

thanks I'm going to try a batch tonight.

Flagyl not working...please HELP...

I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to

offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and

even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still

has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,

taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3

1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool

test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated

as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm

than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this

POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some

soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His

eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than

usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are

gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him

suffer so though...

BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this

house please tell me what to do....thanks.

Di .

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That is the thing...he is sleeping through the night, there are gains

cognitively, but the bellyt remains bloated, the stools were formed

and toothpaste-ish for two days, but have gone mush again and are a

very dark brown - though not green anymore...we are on it for two

more days and then done. We are giving probiotics along with the RX

and will up them as soon as the RX is done...I guess time will tell

if this has helped or not. Our ped wants to test when he is through

with this round to see if there are improvements...I wonder does the

kefir water taste foul? IT is so hard to get things into

Mackie...and fairly easy to get in supps though -crazy. Di

>

>

> I would suggest seeing a GI doc - especially if Flagyl isn't

working.

> Flagyl was my sons wonder drug before we were scoped by Dr.

Krigsman.

> Since starting treatment for his GI issues - he sleeps through the

> night and acquisition rate in school and home has increased. It's

been

> the best treatment to date.

>

> How long is your course of Flagyl? We do 10 days - perhaps you

should

> suspend the Flagyl and see if he feels better??

>

> Laureen

>

> Quoting diatplay :

>

> > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or

encouragement to

> > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now,

and

> > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he

still

> > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,

> > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced

about 3

> > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by

stool

> > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very

bloated

> > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more

browm

> > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty

foul...this

> > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did

et some

> > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail

him? His

> > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than

> > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas

are

> > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him

> > suffer so though...

> >

> > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in

this

> > house please tell me what to do....thanks.

> >

> > Di .

> >

> >

>

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What sort of diet does he eat that it came back? That is such a drag

that the effeets were not permanent...and good to know...I think

there will be no escaping the BED meets SCD in our house if we ever

want to see a healed gut. Dang. Di

> >

> > I would suggest seeing a GI doc - especially if Flagyl isn't

working.

> > Flagyl was my sons wonder drug before we were scoped by Dr.

Krigsman.

> > Since starting treatment for his GI issues - he sleeps through the

> > night and acquisition rate in school and home has increased. It's

been

> > the best treatment to date.

> >

> > How long is your course of Flagyl? We do 10 days - perhaps you

should

> > suspend the Flagyl and see if he feels better??

> >

> > Laureen

> >

> > Quoting diatplay :

> >

> >> I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or

encouragement to

> >> offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now,

and

> >> even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he

still

> >> has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,

> >> taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced

about 3

> >> 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by

stool

> >> test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very

bloated

> >> as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is

more browm

> >> than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty

foul...this

> >> POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did

et some

> >> soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail

him? His

> >> eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking

than

> >> usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas

are

> >> gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him

> >> suffer so though...

> >>

> >> BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in

this

> >> house please tell me what to do....thanks.

> >>

> >> Di .

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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That is INSANE...wow. Did you get any gains from the valtrex...I

honestly think it doesn't cause the yeast, but rather flushes it out,

but perhaps not...ours is the only population with the yeast/valtrex

issues-so so wierd. Well, it is back to BED and SCD...and a friend

just told me to look into the GAPs diet protocol as well...maddening.

How do we cope? Did your son improve without the valtrex board - were

you able to get rid of all the yeast and bacteria? Di

>

> Valtrex causes massive yeast here. My son was on it for 4

months...we

> just stopped due to yeast that would not die. My son was on rotation

> of antifungals, no sugar or yeast feeders. It got so bad his face

and

> mouth looked rotten (sorry, no better way to describe it). After

> being off Valtrex 4 days it is clearing up. And behavior from the

> yeast is subsiding too. That is the only thing I can say about it is

> Valtrex is most likely the reason.

>

>

> Good luck...thinking of you guys

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, the texture changed a little but not the taste much at all.

Dana

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of diatplaySent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:25 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Flagyl not working...please HELP...

That is the thing...he is sleeping through the night, there are gains cognitively, but the bellyt remains bloated, the stools were formed and toothpaste-ish for two days, but have gone mush again and are a very dark brown - though not green anymore...we are on it for two more days and then done. We are giving probiotics along with the RX and will up them as soon as the RX is done...I guess time will tell if this has helped or not. Our ped wants to test when he is through with this round to see if there are improvements...I wonder does the kefir water taste foul? IT is so hard to get things into Mackie...and fairly easy to get in supps though -crazy. Di>> > I would suggest seeing a GI doc - especially if Flagyl isn't working. > Flagyl was my sons wonder drug before we were scoped by Dr. Krigsman. > Since starting treatment for his GI issues - he sleeps through the > night and acquisition rate in school and home has increased. It's been > the best treatment to date.> > How long is your course of Flagyl? We do 10 days - perhaps you should > suspend the Flagyl and see if he feels better??> > Laureen> > Quoting diatplay :> > > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to> > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and> > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still> > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,> > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3> > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool> > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated> > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm> > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this> > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some> > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His> > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than> > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are> > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him> > suffer so though...> >> > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this> > house please tell me what to do....thanks.> >> > Di .> >> >>

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How does it taste and how did you get your kidoo to drink it? Are

you using BEWD kefir grains?

>

> Dana,

> thanks I'm going to try a batch tonight.

>

>

>

> Flagyl not working...please HELP...

>

>

>

>

> I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or

encouragement to

> offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and

> even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he

still

> has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,

> taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about

3

> 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by

stool

> test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very

bloated

> as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more

browm

> than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty

foul...this

> POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et

some

> soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him?

His

> eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than

> usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas

are

> gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him

> suffer so though...

>

> BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in

this

> house please tell me what to do....thanks.

>

> Di .

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I use the BED kefir starter that I purchased from their website. It has a very mild taste. I put a little in water or hide in his supplements.

Dana

Flagyl not working...please HELP...> > > > > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral, > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3 > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him > suffer so though...> > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this > house please tell me what to do....thanks.> > Di . > > > > > > > > > > Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.>

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I dont know the original topic on this kefir, so if I chime in wrong, pls just take it as FYI..

I did yck with custom probiotics and its a success, so now my son only drink yck with custom probiotic d-lactate free, as i found that the kefir starter has yeast in it, the culture starter didnt look very good (not milky white enough, not soda enough), and I havent use the essential duo but I found that it has some that I dont like in it.

Anyway, but the transfer batch didnt work out, so only use for 1 batch... I havent figured out whats wrong yet. Since my fridge space is limited, i think its much better I use all fresh batch, not transfer batch...

I like this yck with custom probiotics, i find it perfect result, very milky, sour, tart, tangy, seems very concentrated.

Cheers

Yuli

Flagyl not working...please HELP...> > > > > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral, > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3 > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him > suffer so though...> > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this > house please tell me what to do....thanks.> > Di . > > > > > > > > > > Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.>

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Hi Yuli - I just ordered more young coconuts from Wegman's to make more coconut kefir. See my comments within please...Thanks.

Flagyl not working...please HELP...> > > > > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral, > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3 > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him > suffer so though...> > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this > house please tell me what to do....thanks.> > Di . > > > > > > > > > > Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.>

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My son made gains in the area of gross motor. I really didn't think

he had any weaknesses in that area, but almost instantly he started

riding bike w/o training wheels, riding the razor scooter the same way

as his older brother. His language is still very choppy (does that

make sense?). He can comment, request, & ask a question. He doesn't

do well conversationally but he really tries. He loves his friends,

but after " hi,---- how are you doing? " the next sentence is complete

jibberish. So, he can't hold another child's interest for long.

Dropping everything & concentrating on killing yeast. We are using

lots of Activated charcoal to help w/ die off. I am also pushing the

mag citrate to move it through. I love Valtrex and want him to

continue, but I do not know when/if I will restart. We did retest

titers last week on the last day of it so I should find out soon if

they moved at all.

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I spoke to our dan about it and he didn't recommend doing anything

else until the yeast is under control. He did mention a few others

but said Valtrex is really the best/strongest one . We tried

Acyclovir a couple of years ago and the yeast was bad then too but

it caused more GI yeast (or so it appeared) than thrush/facial yeast.

Have you tried an antiviral that doesn't stir up so much yeast?

> Have you considered switching antivirals?

>

> cheryl

>

>

>

> > Valtrex causes massive yeast here. My son was on it for 4

months...we

> > just stopped due to yeast that would not die. My son was on

rotation

> > of antifungals, no sugar or yeast feeders. It got so bad his

face and

> > mouth looked rotten (sorry, no better way to describe it). After

> > being off Valtrex 4 days it is clearing up. And behavior from the

> > yeast is subsiding too. That is the only thing I can say about

it is

> > Valtrex is most likely the reason.

> >

> > Good luck...thinking of you guys

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Yuli, I don't get it...you just stir in his probiotics or did you

purchase a special starter with the same formula as the d lactate

blend?

> >

> > Dana,

> > thanks I'm going to try a batch tonight.

> >

> >

> >

> > Flagyl not working...please HELP...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or

> encouragement to

> > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear

now, and

> > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it

he

> still

> > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on

Nizoral,

> > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced

about

> 3

> > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed

by

> stool

> > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very

> bloated

> > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is

more

> browm

> > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty

> foul...this

> > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he

did et

> some

> > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to

derail him?

> His

> > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking

than

> > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other

areas

> are

> > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see

him

> > suffer so though...

> >

> > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle

in

> this

> > house please tell me what to do....thanks.

> >

> > Di .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Di,

I use my probiotics in exchange of the kefir starter.

I use custom probitics, so I culture the young coconut using custom probiotics

instead of kefir starter. I use 7 adult scoop. Everything is the same, heat up

the coconut water up to 31-32C, then put in custom probiotics, mix well, then

put it in stereoform and let it sit for 36-48 hours. all the same...

I think you can also try with your own probiotics, as I feel better with the

custom probiotics. No special starter, just use the probiotic blend, d-lactate

free probiotics. I use it equivalent to the weight of the starter pack, I

forgot, maybe around 5 grams?

I just havent success with transfering, dont know whats wrong...

Cheers

Yuli

----- Flagyl not working...please HELP...

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or

>> encouragement to

>> > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear

>now, and

>> > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it

>he

>> still

>> > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on

>Nizoral,

>> > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced

>about

>> 3

>> > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed

>by

>> stool

>> > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very

>> bloated

>> > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is

>more

>> browm

>> > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty

>> foul...this

>> > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he

>did et

>> some

>> > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to

>derail him?

>> His

>> > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking

>than

>> > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other

>areas

>> are

>> > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see

>him

>> > suffer so though...

>> >

>> > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle

>in

>> this

>> > house please tell me what to do....thanks.

>> >

>> > Di .

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

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Hi ,

What I meant by " success " is that it formed a good kefir, tart, tangy, sour with

sweet taste a bit, milky white, all perfect. I tried before using veggie

starter, but it didnt look and taste as good as the kefir starter.

why i use custom probiotics? Bcos I'm not satisfy with the starter pack

available. Kefir starter has strain of probiotics which similar to culturelle

and it has MILK in it. My son get heavy bloating after a while (after 1-2 week).

With the veggie starter its ok, didnt see anything (bad or good) but the kefir

result formed is not as good as i wanted. I hvnt tried essential duo yet, I

forgot, why I dont like it either. there is some content in it which make me

confuse. I have to search my notes again.

So, I decided to use custom probiotics to make the kefir, so its safer as I know

it didnt contain any other contents.

I have a strange opinion, that maybe I gave jason over 300 billion everyday but

his poop is not good enough, maybe the probiotics didnt survive the stomach

acid. So, if I use it in kefir. it takes down as FOOD, so maybe it will help

better to survive the stomach condition. and hopefully it can help to reinstate

the gut population back again slowly. I suspect that jason's gut cannot be

populated back by the probiotics.

I am a believer that probiotics is the most important part of the gut healing.

But I havent figured out yet, whats the best way to reinstate the population

back to the gut. I cant do cultured veggie as we as asian has different kind of

way to eat. I have whacked jason with so high dose of probiotics but his bowel

still not improve yet (still missing 1-2 days in a week). I am thinking about

rotating the probiotics, but I havent made up my mind yet on what to do.

If you worry about some traces of gluten and casein, why dont you use enzymes???

I always give high dose on enzyme, as I believe tht jason also had problems in

digestion (lack of enzyme made in his body, not ony for gluten and casein, but

for all), so I use enzyme to help him to digest food better so the nutrients

from the food can be out of the food and absorbed by the gut.

I dont think I can see any improvement just from yck, sorry, but its just too

short to see it, and since i have so many things on my list to try, I cant wait

tht long. so I decided, yck is a GOOD thing, must have , so just take it, with

the hope it can do some good in there which we dont know and hopefully it will

help in fixing some part of the broken machines.

HOw to know its not good? Its hard to identify, I always see the COLOR (has to

be milky white), SODA / TART (lots of soda, you can see it in the spoon or taste

it), TASTE (tangy, sour with some sweetness). So when I transfer the batch with

kefir starter, it formed the same result. But with the custom probiotics, the

color is not good, taste different (very very sour), not so much soda, smell too

acidic. So, I decided to put it in fridge, after few days, the milky part

separated so I have 2 layers, water on top and white things bottom, and the

water on top looks rather yellowish pinky, so i throw it away (approved for bad

batch).

I didnt find drinking kefir is that bad, it takes time to adjust. I always add

xylitol to jason. I also mix it in the morning with Vitality green, so he has

some smell and other taste to cover the simpleplain taste of kefir, I think

(just my opinion) if you use juices that approved by BED (I like elderberry or

cranberry), its pretty safe. NOT so much, just a bit. The juice I bought is from

biota, and I gave the elderberry everyday, 30 ml. its good for immune system.

I think if the juice is home made and its needed to cover the taste to get the

good thing in, why not??? Make sure he drink SLOWLY as it has soda in it which

can make my son gag up too.

I drank Kefir every single day!! so now I have more regular bowel than i used to

be.

I havent read any paper from Goldberg, I;m not staying in US, any chance

to get the paper and where?

I always believe that autism is the illness, which means complications from GUT,

VIRUS, BACTERIA, and then overload of metals inside the body, so the body is not

functioning well.

I listen to the BED CD special for autism, and I agree with Donna Gates. Brain

is the part of the GUT. and bacteria play a VERY important role in all over the

body.

Thats why I target jason's with antifungal, antivirus, healing the gut. Detox is

come as bypack along the way. I always told my friend who doesnt able to do the

detox and complete biomedic (lack of money and knowlegde) to do the diet, heal

the gut, use probiotics and basic supplements. with the hope, body can work well

again and dump the bad things out, working it naturally. of course its not easy,

but better than doing nothing, right?

I believe jason has immune dysfunction, he always sick since 15 months. after

OLE, he never sick for 6 months, until I get worry and I pray he get sick

(simple cold or flu), and it happened 2 weeks ago. I believe if the child never

get sick, its also not good, as they have immune overdrive (?)..

My mom in law has severe allergy and hipotyroid (auto immune), so its in the

gene!

Cheers

Yuli

----- Flagyl not working...please HELP...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or

> encouragement to

> > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and

> > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he

> still

> > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,

> > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about

> 3

> > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by

> stool

> > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very

> bloated

> > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more

> browm

> > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty

> foul...this

> > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et

> some

> > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him?

> His

> > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than

> > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas

> are

> > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him

> > suffer so though...

> >

> > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in

> this

> > house please tell me what to do....thanks.

> >

> > Di .

> >

> >

> >

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can you give me more info on dr. krigsmans procedure and what did it find? what did he recomend for your son/daughter for teatment, did ins. pay for it and how much was the procedue. my son will be going soon and iam spooked about the whole thing thanks for your response. BRIAN RAZZI wrote: Laureen, Can I ask you how often was your son on Flagyl? Laureen Forman <lformanlforman> wrote: I would suggest seeing a GI doc - especially if Flagyl isn't working. Flagyl was my sons wonder drug before we were scoped by Dr. Krigsman. Since starting treatment for his GI issues - he sleeps through the night and acquisition rate in school and home has increased. It's been the best treatment to date.How long is your course of Flagyl? We do 10 days - perhaps you should suspend the Flagyl and see if he feels better??LaureenQuoting diatplay <diatplay>:> I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or encouragement to> offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now, and> even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he still> has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,> taking all his PTC

supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced about 3> 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by stool> test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very bloated> as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more browm> than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty foul...this> POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et some> soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail him? His> eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than> usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas are> gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him> suffer so though...>> BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in this> house please tell me what to do....thanks.>> Di

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...that post about Dr Krigsman ultimately said that what worked

only worked temporarily, and what didn't...well, didn't. Stan does

not like the gut drugs, and when I researched them...neither do I -

big time...I would go with Goldberg's ssri stuff before I would go

near the steroid treatments and other gut stuff that GI docs resort

to. I think there is no quick fix for the gut stuff, and no long term

health without lifestyle changes that go beyond gfcf - which simply

eliminates -but I have yet to meet a kid that has been healed that

route....they are on it forever and exist in a group vulnerable to

colon cancers and other serious health issues...for $99 you can get

the cd set of the Body Ecology conference, and if you have a yeasty

bacteria kid as we do I really think the widsom of the scd and bed is

our best hope.

What good does it do to go through all this only to have our kids

stop being autistic, per se, but not armed to make sure it NEVER

happens to the next generation....it started in vitro in THIS

house...and the shot injured him, true, but the vit and mineral

deficiences and poor gut flora set him up for it...intestinal healing

has to happen...and the gut docs and drugs can never offer you that.

My dd can even eat a bit of gluten, sugar, does GREAT on raw

milk...and she had issues, though less severe than her brother's of

course....but diet changes, a run of diflucan and valtrex, and the

fermented food and concepts of the SCD and BED totally and completely

changed her life...and she WILL know what to eat so that she lives

long, well, cancer free always, and never ever has to fear pregnancy

or autism crap....pour your energy into that, not pursuing a Krigsman

scope...to what end even if he comes back with your child's gut is a

MESS....you cannot be on the gut drugs long term and their side

effects are SERIOUS.

All of this is just my opinion of course, each family must find their

own way...but I ache for the kids I have met out there who

are " recovered " but remain on special diets most of which include

highly processed foods still and many products that the Weston PRice

folks and BED and SCD say are actually bad for you, esp long

term...and the kids still have issues, most of them...and the parents

are worn out tired looking and also not eating that well. They NEED

HBOT, Ozone, tons of supps and vits too bc they are a mess and look

it, God Bless them all -exp since we are still in that camp

ourselves, though getting better and looking better day by day, bit

by bit...I know three mums struggling to recover their kids at this

time who have or have had breast cancer in the last two years.

The father who recovered his kids and started BrainChild...died of

pancreatic cancer very recently....yes our kids are sick, but they

came out of OUR bodies and it is not just the vaccines. The absence

of enough folic acid is a cause of spina bifida, proven, accepted,

mainstream med belief...not alternative in the least...the

deficiencies we had and HAVE in our gut flora, our amounts of vitamin

A and D and other things....are the root cause of what is happening

to all these kids. My son staring at a wall with an injured brain

and gut is just ME in thirty or forty years with my alzheimers, Lou

Gehrig's disease or cancer...the whole family needs to be examined

and the root cause of what is presenting as autism addressed and

healed. This stuff doesn't just go away and it isn't just autism...

I swear to you that Stan is right about this...there are autoimmune

issues and signs of poor health, esp gut health in ALL the families

of those who have kids who present on the spectrum, without

exception....I have never ever seen a vibrantly healthy, whole foods,

mostly raw foods( at least 50% of the diet, non caffien drinking,

limited sugar intake, adequate amounts of excercise...family walk

through the doors of any of these clinics, doctors offices,

pharmacies, and therpay centers...EVER. Not once...I see thin tired

moms and dad with big ass Starbucks...like the ones we were both

holding when we dragged ourselves to meet Stan for the first time

with Matt in tow...most of the parents have thyroid issues or adrenal

issues0usually unrecognized and undiagnosed of course....and it is

all about their KID of course, no one has the time or energy to treat

themselves bc all focus is on the family member presenting the most

severely...most of the moms are fat, their weisght jsut exploded with

theri pregnancies and they do not know why ( thyroid and adrenals

issues) with most of the weight carried around their middles and bums

and thighs...heartattack and cancer weight - it is ALL related....

...I send and say this with love, 70 pounds lighter without

trying, no gym membership, and a more than full time load with three

kids 4 and under and Matt still recovering from his autism diagnosis

and all his gut issues...and having BEEN to the gut guys at

UCLA...such a waste of time and money and misguided hope....spend it

on GOOD food for yourself and eventually your child with " autism " once

his gut is healed enough to tolerate more and more foods...save the

plane fare and spend it on BED book, Nourishing Traditions Cookbook,a

couple of ones I can rec on making vegetables family friendly and

DELICIOUS...and make the Farmers Market near you a regualr family

outing. Live long, live well, teach your children how to navigate

this crazy world with all its drug resistant bacteria, fungi,

parasites etc through healthy choices...and lets all grow old

together with our kids helping other people's kids recover from THEIR

cancers, autoimmune issues, and the shock of autism in their kids

kids....we will know how to help them bc we saved ourselves first.

Best of luck....listen to the advice in posts where theer is success

and LISTEN to how many parents found the gut doc gut drug route a big

deadend ultimately....Love, Di

>

> I would suggest seeing a GI doc - especially if Flagyl isn't

working.

> Flagyl was my sons wonder drug before we were scoped by Dr.

Krigsman.

> Since starting treatment for his GI issues - he sleeps through the

> night and acquisition rate in school and home has increased. It's

been

> the best treatment to date.

>

> How long is your course of Flagyl? We do 10 days - perhaps you

should

> suspend the Flagyl and see if he feels better??

>

> Laureen

>

> Quoting diatplay :

>

> > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or

encouragement to

> > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now,

and

> > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he

still

> > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,

> > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced

about 3

> > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by

stool

> > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very

bloated

> > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more

browm

> > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty

foul...this

> > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et

some

> > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail

him? His

> > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than

> > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas

are

> > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him

> > suffer so though...

> >

> > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in

this

> > house please tell me what to do....thanks.

> >

> > Di .

> >

> >

>

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I have to agree with Diane about Dr. Krigsman. My nt daughter was diagnosed with probable ibs. We didn't do a scope. It turns out that she has diptheria in her gut from her 1st year dpt test. She's 22 now. So in our case it was bacteria that mirrored ibs symptoms. We're seeing a homeopath who does bioset to treat the diptheria. My dd is also seeing the homeopath and this has helped her alot. We also do scd and bed and started difflican also. And until we went to the homeopath I didn't realize how a mess I am.

Re: Flagyl not working...please HELP...

...that post about Dr Krigsman ultimately said that what worked

only worked temporarily, and what didn't...well, didn't. Stan does

not like the gut drugs, and when I researched them...neither do I -

big time...I would go with Goldberg's ssri stuff before I would go

near the steroid treatments and other gut stuff that GI docs resort

to. I think there is no quick fix for the gut stuff, and no long term

health without lifestyle changes that go beyond gfcf - which simply

eliminates -but I have yet to meet a kid that has been healed that

route....they are on it forever and exist in a group vulnerable to

colon cancers and other serious health issues...for $99 you can get

the cd set of the Body Ecology conference, and if you have a yeasty

bacteria kid as we do I really think the widsom of the scd and bed is

our best hope.

What good does it do to go through all this only to have our kids

stop being autistic, per se, but not armed to make sure it NEVER

happens to the next generation....it started in vitro in THIS

house...and the shot injured him, true, but the vit and mineral

deficiences and poor gut flora set him up for it...intestinal healing

has to happen...and the gut docs and drugs can never offer you that.

My dd can even eat a bit of gluten, sugar, does GREAT on raw

milk...and she had issues, though less severe than her brother's of

course....but diet changes, a run of diflucan and valtrex, and the

fermented food and concepts of the SCD and BED totally and completely

changed her life...and she WILL know what to eat so that she lives

long, well, cancer free always, and never ever has to fear pregnancy

or autism crap....pour your energy into that, not pursuing a Krigsman

scope...to what end even if he comes back with your child's gut is a

MESS....you cannot be on the gut drugs long term and their side

effects are SERIOUS.

All of this is just my opinion of course, each family must find their

own way...but I ache for the kids I have met out there who

are "recovered" but remain on special diets most of which include

highly processed foods still and many products that the Weston PRice

folks and BED and SCD say are actually bad for you, esp long

term...and the kids still have issues, most of them...and the parents

are worn out tired looking and also not eating that well. They NEED

HBOT, Ozone, tons of supps and vits too bc they are a mess and look

it, God Bless them all -exp since we are still in that camp

ourselves, though getting better and looking better day by day, bit

by bit...I know three mums struggling to recover their kids at this

time who have or have had breast cancer in the last two years.

The father who recovered his kids and started BrainChild...died of

pancreatic cancer very recently....yes our kids are sick, but they

came out of OUR bodies and it is not just the vaccines. The absence

of enough folic acid is a cause of spina bifida, proven, accepted,

mainstream med belief...not alternative in the least...the

deficiencies we had and HAVE in our gut flora, our amounts of vitamin

A and D and other things....are the root cause of what is happening

to all these kids. My son staring at a wall with an injured brain

and gut is just ME in thirty or forty years with my alzheimers, Lou

Gehrig's disease or cancer...the whole family needs to be examined

and the root cause of what is presenting as autism addressed and

healed. This stuff doesn't just go away and it isn't just autism...

I swear to you that Stan is right about this...there are autoimmune

issues and signs of poor health, esp gut health in ALL the families

of those who have kids who present on the spectrum, without

exception....I have never ever seen a vibrantly healthy, whole foods,

mostly raw foods( at least 50% of the diet, non caffien drinking,

limited sugar intake, adequate amounts of excercise...family walk

through the doors of any of these clinics, doctors offices,

pharmacies, and therpay centers...EVER. Not once...I see thin tired

moms and dad with big ass Starbucks...like the ones we were both

holding when we dragged ourselves to meet Stan for the first time

with Matt in tow...most of the parents have thyroid issues or adrenal

issues0usually unrecognized and undiagnosed of course....and it is

all about their KID of course, no one has the time or energy to treat

themselves bc all focus is on the family member presenting the most

severely...most of the moms are fat, their weisght jsut exploded with

theri pregnancies and they do not know why ( thyroid and adrenals

issues) with most of the weight carried around their middles and bums

and thighs...heartattack and cancer weight - it is ALL related....

...I send and say this with love, 70 pounds lighter without

trying, no gym membership, and a more than full time load with three

kids 4 and under and Matt still recovering from his autism diagnosis

and all his gut issues...and having BEEN to the gut guys at

UCLA...such a waste of time and money and misguided hope....spend it

on GOOD food for yourself and eventually your child with "autism"once

his gut is healed enough to tolerate more and more foods...save the

plane fare and spend it on BED book, Nourishing Traditions Cookbook,a

couple of ones I can rec on making vegetables family friendly and

DELICIOUS...and make the Farmers Market near you a regualr family

outing. Live long, live well, teach your children how to navigate

this crazy world with all its drug resistant bacteria, fungi,

parasites etc through healthy choices...and lets all grow old

together with our kids helping other people's kids recover from THEIR

cancers, autoimmune issues, and the shock of autism in their kids

kids....we will know how to help them bc we saved ourselves first.

Best of luck....listen to the advice in posts where theer is success

and LISTEN to how many parents found the gut doc gut drug route a big

deadend ultimately....Love, Di

>

> I would suggest seeing a GI doc - especially if Flagyl isn't

working.

> Flagyl was my sons wonder drug before we were scoped by Dr.

Krigsman.

> Since starting treatment for his GI issues - he sleeps through the

> night and acquisition rate in school and home has increased. It's

been

> the best treatment to date.

>

> How long is your course of Flagyl? We do 10 days - perhaps you

should

> suspend the Flagyl and see if he feels better??

>

> Laureen

>

> Quoting diatplay :

>

> > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or

encouragement to

> > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now,

and

> > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it he

still

> > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on Nizoral,

> > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced

about 3

> > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by

stool

> > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very

bloated

> > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is more

browm

> > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty

foul...this

> > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did et

some

> > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail

him? His

> > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking than

> > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other areas

are

> > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see him

> > suffer so though...

> >

> > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in

this

> > house please tell me what to do....thanks.

> >

> > Di .

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How did you figure out it was diptheria in the gut from the vaccine?

Di

> >

> > I would suggest seeing a GI doc - especially if Flagyl isn't

> working.

> > Flagyl was my sons wonder drug before we were scoped by Dr.

> Krigsman.

> > Since starting treatment for his GI issues - he sleeps through

the

> > night and acquisition rate in school and home has increased. It's

> been

> > the best treatment to date.

> >

> > How long is your course of Flagyl? We do 10 days - perhaps you

> should

> > suspend the Flagyl and see if he feels better??

> >

> > Laureen

> >

> > Quoting diatplay <diatplay@>:

> >

> > > I am so sad for Mackie, does anyone have any advice or

> encouragement to

> > > offer...this sucks. Matt is eating roat chicken, only pear now,

> and

> > > even sipping his bone broths to get his chicken...and darn it

he

> still

> > > has the white tongue and some spaciness despite being on

Nizoral,

> > > taking all his PTC supps each day, and valtrex 3 day, spaced

> about 3

> > > 1/2-5 hours apart, max. He is on flagyl also for a confirmed by

> stool

> > > test overgrowth...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...his gut remains very

> bloated

> > > as well and though we are getting one stool a day, and it is

more

> browm

> > > than green now, it is unformed mush again, and still pretty

> foul...this

> > > POOR kid...any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh, he did

et

> some

> > > soaked pecans for the past two days...was tht enough to derail

> him? His

> > > eye contact isn't greta, we are seeing a bit more toe walking

than

> > > usual - constipation no doubt - but his language and other

areas

> are

> > > gaining each day, so it isn;t ALL bad...i cannot stand to see

him

> > > suffer so though...

> > >

> > > BACTERIA, YEAST, and constipation...we are losing the battle in

> this

> > > house please tell me what to do....thanks.

> > >

> > > Di .

> > >

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