RE: For : Supplements (was Re: Suppressed TSH - Hashi's)

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I think there isn’t any of either in chia. Are you thinking of yerba mate? You can read about chia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_hispanica http://www.thechiaseed.com/ http://www.mychiaseeds.com/Articles/Top10ChiaBenefits.html http://www.living-foods.com/articles/chia.html http://www.realage.com/tips/chia-pet-the-gift-of-health From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of texasthyroidSent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:56 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: For : Supplements (was Re: Suppressed TSH - Hashi's) I would urge caution about the chia. I cannot use it at all, because it gives me tachycardia. I am not sure if this is from iodine or caffeine. >> Hi ,> > > > I considered a copy and paste of my supplement list, but I've lately come to> the conclusion that each of us has to find an individual combination that> works, because we're all so different. > > > > That said, there are a few things I've done that I believe anyone might> benefit from.> > > > I stumbled onto the combination of L-Theanine and caffeine quite by> accident-call it brain fog that I added the caffeine back into what I was> taking without considering everything else in the pill minder-but I was> feeling so well at that point, I didn't want to make any changes. So I did> some googIing (to ascertain if it would hurt me), and I found this study:> > http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/23/1_MeetingAbstracts/LB4> 56> > > > Citicolone has done wonders for my mental state and alertness. When I'm not> always repeating myself (going back to the same room to do the same thing> and so on), I find that I'm encouraged to do more rather than to sit down> and procrastinate.> > > > SAMe is, IMO, a wonder molecule, not just a remedy for depression. I> recommend careful reading before using it, because it does have some side> effects-the worst I experienced was stomach pain, but I got around that> first by taking it with ginger and then with food-and unless it is taken> with the right amount of B-vitamins (betaine is also helpful, because it> converts homocysteine to methionine), you will end up with an overload of> homocysteine. I started at 400 mg/day, and I am now taking 1200 mg/day. I> increased to the dosage used in studies for liver issues because I had some> unexplained thyroid wonkiness (later explained by the disappearance of my> single hot nodule) for which the doctor ordered liver function tests. I> don't know if I did have liver issues before, but after 8 weeks on SAM-e, my> liver function is excellent. Digression aside, SAM-e has had a notable> effect on my physical and mental energy level.> > > > Finally, I make this smoothie that I'm almost embarrassed to talk about> because it sounds so disgusting. I've learned to love it, though, and it has> made an incredible difference above and beyond the other supplements. If I> skip a day, I feel the effect all over. I expect that someone who eats a ton> of fruits and vegetables will have the same outcome, but I just can't fit> individual produce items into my diet (especially the ones I really seem to> need-you'll see why in a minute).> > > > The most recent version has the following. I make large batches and freeze> them, then when I make make the actual smoothie, I add yogurt, chia (I make> and keep a container of 8:1 chia gel in my refrigerator rather than adding> in dry seeds), pomegranate juice (add as much as you need to thin it) and> ginger (about 2 grams for each smoothie).

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Thank you!  I have taken L-Theanine and SAMe in the past.  I already take B12, D and multi.  I will check out the other items you listed.  As far as the smoothie, with a one year old and lack of energy, I will put that at the bottom of my list. LOL! 

Hi , I considered a copy and paste of my supplement list, but I’ve lately come to the conclusion that each of us has to find an individual combination that works, because we’re all so different.

 That said, there are a few things I’ve done that I believe anyone might benefit from.

 I stumbled onto the combination of L-Theanine and caffeine quite by accident—call it brain fog that I added the caffeine back into what I was taking without considering everything else in the pill minder—but I was feeling so well at that point, I didn’t want to make any changes. So I did some googIing (to ascertain if it would hurt me), and I found this study:

http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/23/1_MeetingAbstracts/LB456

 Citicolone has done wonders for my mental state and alertness. When I’m not always repeating myself (going back to the same room to do the same thing and so on), I find that I’m encouraged to do more rather than to sit down and procrastinate.

 SAMe is, IMO, a wonder molecule, not just a remedy for depression. I recommend careful reading before using it, because it does have some side effects—the worst I experienced was stomach pain, but I got around that first by taking it with ginger and then with food—and unless it is taken with the right amount of B-vitamins (betaine is also helpful, because it converts homocysteine to methionine), you will end  up with an overload of homocysteine. I started at 400 mg/day, and I am now taking 1200 mg/day. I increased to the dosage used in studies for liver issues because I had some unexplained thyroid wonkiness (later explained by the disappearance of my single hot nodule) for which the doctor ordered liver function tests. I don’t know if I did have liver issues before, but after 8 weeks on SAM-e, my liver function is excellent. Digression aside, SAM-e has had a notable effect on my physical and mental energy level.

 Finally, I make this smoothie that I’m almost embarrassed to talk about because it sounds so disgusting. I’ve learned to love it, though, and it has made an incredible difference above and beyond the other supplements. If I skip a day, I feel the effect all over. I expect that someone who eats a ton of fruits and vegetables will have the same outcome, but I just can’t fit individual produce items into my diet (especially the ones I really seem to need—you’ll see why in a minute).

 The most recent version has the following. I make large batches and freeze them, then when I make make the actual smoothie, I add yogurt, chia (I make and keep a container of 8:1 chia gel in my refrigerator rather than adding in dry seeds), pomegranate juice (add as much as you need to thin it) and ginger (about 2 grams for each smoothie).

 Carrot Juice                                          944 g (1 quart)

Celery                                                    577 g (2 hearts, about 1 pound)Avocado                                               297 g (2)

Goya (Frozen) Passion Fruit          921 g (3 packages)Apple                                                     737 g (4 apples)              

Spinach                                                 506 g (6 cups)Kale                                                        455 g (1 pkg frozen)

Watercress                                          161 g (1 bunch)Parsley                                                  104 g (1 bunch, curly or Italian)

Dole Mixed Berries                           330 g (1 package)Grapes                                                  554 g (Medium –sized bunch—I think about a pound)

Cucumber                                            512 g (2 large or 6 baby)              Clementines                                        483 g (6)            

Lemon                                                     90 g (2 lemons or 6 TBSP juice)Lime                                                         30 g (1 lime or 3 TBSP juice)

Total                                                      6701 g (approximately 6 quarts) 

I don’t use a juicer or a VitaMix-type blender. I do it all in a  food processor and follow that with a turn through the food mill. It’s…um…a process (takes about 90 minutes) and it’s kind of messy (surprisingly easy clean-up, though) so making individual smoothies/juices is an alternative, but at 275 grams a day, it lasts about 24 days. This is the most recent combination of produce—I keep tweaking it—and next time, I plan to add beets or beet juice. I think any fruits will do—they’re in there to get the fruit servings and for taste—but the really important ingredients are ginger, chia, kale, spinach, parsley and celery. Other greens would also be good, if you can stomach them. I also recommend steaming the spinach and kale first to enhance absorption and alleviate potential thyroid interference.

 Even if you don’t have the stomach for all that (work and taste-wise), several grams of ginger a day is great for energy, as is chia (you can mix the gel into anything—mayo, for example—without losing flavor, and it goes down easy mixed with liquids much like flaxseed gel).

 With the help of the above—in spite of discovering yesterday that my hemoglobin is low (giving blood was a bad idea)—I feel wonderful.

 I haven’t had a yeast problem in years—except for occasional coating on the tongue—so I haven’t done any research on  how the above would impact that particular problem.

  

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Cauley

Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 17:29 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Re: Suppressed TSH - Hashi's

   I am getting back on a strict diet (no sugar, no grains) as I have yeast overload from too many abx this year (6 sinus infections).  Been on it one week and doing fine with it although I do miss my sweets   I was wondering what supplements you find help with energy.  I haven't found any that help with that particular problem. 

After a severe illness September and October, I started to have severe fatigue even though I am over my illness.  I am thinking my thyroid finally pooped out from all the stress of the illness and the holidays.  I see my thyroid doc end of January.  I am guessing that I need an increase to help my body recover from illness?  Has anyone ever had this happen to them?

 I did not feel well with a suppressed TSH, even if every other number is in line—“in-line” for me being at midpoint or slightly below for T3 and in the upper third for FT4. Since I’ve been working on other areas with OTC supplements (in particular, SAMe, which has a host of beneficial effects, particularly for the liver), I’ve been able to increase Cytomel from 5 ug to 10 ug (and the doctor wants me to go up a little more because my T3 is lower than he’d like), my TSH has gone back up to about 0.5, and I’m feeling pretty wonderful from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet. Even my periods have normalized again. I’m 52, and starting about two years ago, I thought menopause had hit—hard—even though the women in my family all enter menopause quite late. In fact, the cause of my sporadic periods and occasional hot flashes was just too much T3.

 I used to blame everything on my thyroid, and I’m coming to understand that, in my case, at least, although thyroid (specifically, Hashimoto’s) was the catalyst, supplemental hormone was not sufficient to fix the problem. I have changed my diet entirely (even though it was reasonably good before—no fast food, no junk, just not enough fruits and vegetables), I’ve lost (as of this morning) 30 pounds since last March (current weight 144, current BMI 22.7), I go to the gym regularly (except when I hurt myself in bizarre ways—like almost falling into the turtle tank and wonking my knee something fierce two weeks ago), and I have put together a supplement regimen that has increased my energy and motivation levels and has also halted a lifelong case of severe SAD in its tracks.

 We’re all different, so what worked for me may not work for anyone else, but I think that alternate areas are worth looking at when thyroid hormone doesn’t solve the problem.

 

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of texasthyroid

Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 10:44 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Suppressed TSH - Hashi's

   Many of us cannot get our frees to midpoint without suppressing the TSH.

I cannot get out of bed with any measurable TSH at all.TSH is a pituitary hormone, not a thyroid hormone.

Doctors have been brainwashed by BigPharm which does not want thyroid patients to be well. They also live in fear of their state boards.

>> Why are so many doctors afraid of my suppressed TSH?> > I always hover around <0.006... but yet I struggle to get my Free T3 and Free T4 to even mid-point.. > > Might I have other issues going on that I haven't been tested for? or don't know about?

> > **I do not recommend self medicating***> > I took a little extra of my meds last night.. and the plantar fasciitis that has been plaguing me since having (2 months now) is completely gone this morning.. absolutely no soreness in my feet at all!

> > It was soo bad that I was almost afraid to carry him at night, when I got out of bed I could hardly walk!> > Is there any help out there for people like me?>

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