Guest guest Posted August 29, 2000 Report Share Posted August 29, 2000 Freestone, WOW!!!! Thanks for giving me a picture of what my little guy goes through on daily basis. Brings me to tears, I can't imagine it. And I thought at the end of a bad day I could be bonkers and to think this is what it's like all the time. By the way we live in one of those little towns, glad it's where we call home. Amber > hello everyone. > > i think that, here, i will repost one of my old > articles. there is more autism today, i read. why i > read just now, in a " earthchanges@egroups " list, that > scientists have found that there are far far far more > plastic coumpounds in the bodies of people than they > ever suspected, ever before! higher than PCBs even! > [ " earthchanges' is a good group to sign up for to read > about health issues{aspertaine}...gov. overcontrol of > our daily lives...physical earthchanges...etc...etc..] > > yes, there probably are chemical reasons for autism > being so the more prevalent in our today's kids, as > well as other reasons...[how about all those RAYS > going through our sensitive babie's brains, like of so > much radiation, from the antennas on every corner! > radio, cell phone, tv, microwave, shortwave]. no > wonder there are " crazies " who think that " martians > are zapping them with rays " !! > ----babies born into a world of chemical soup with > rays zapping their brains...where even the alligators > in florida's lake Apokpa were somwhat infertile due to > plastic driven ESTROGENIC coumpounds, coming from > somewhere! > anyway...here is my article! > > ====================================================== > someone wrote...in part....on some autism support > group. > > > > > > > > This is autism awareness month. Talk to everyone > > you can to enlighten > > > them! > > > yes hello everyone!! > > I read...too....that autism is on the increase. that > more and more people seem to be diagnosed, today. > > there is ONE reason, i think, why this is so. > only one reason, out of many. > > I spent the last five years in my home town of 600 > people. it was a time warp back to 1950, or even > before... > not a fast food franchise for 20 miles...the one cafe > is owned by a human being. there was a small factory, > > right in a storefront, across the street from this > cafe. one of the workers, who lived ten houses > away...he > would often come in for lunch. the same people would > come for coffee at the same time each and everyday. > there would be 10 to 15 people in there, at 6 AM.... > how amazing to walk into this cafe at 6 AM and see not > > a single car on the street or road...for the TWO miles > each way in and out of town! > the side streets are lined with maple trees. there > are no leafblowers or lawn maintance people's > noises...only a small lawnmower can be heard! > church is the center of social life: marrage is the > Goal of every lady. > > today, i live in a city of 150,000. > this last weekend i went to their > wonderfull... " springtime tallahassee " parade and > festival....never again, > the sensory overload was to to too much!! 50,000 > people to watch a parade...the numbers of human beings > > were so so great, on the streets, in the tent craft > show > area...that i never DID even see what was IN those > tents, let alone enter one of them!! > > w-e-l-l....in the 1950s, the slow pace of these little > > ole towns that had farming or industry to support > them, why the PACE of living was much much slower. > people > got up and went to work at the same time each and > every day. " routines " were the way of life, and slow > at > that. > in my home town, a man was a bank teller for over 40 > years...i once met a man who worked in the very same > small building for about 60 years and he lived next > door, and still does after he retired. > same time to bed...to eat...to arise.... > a small universe. > > today??? > > well.....ADD and HYPERACTIVITY is a MUST, a strength! > > why...i had a lady tell me, once, how impressed she > was with another lady at the checkout counter at the > supermarket! this clerk lady was...AT THE SAME TIME > --totalling up some person's groceries. > ---talking on the phone. > ---giving someone directions. > ---talking to a salesman about some product. > ---talking with the manager. > all at the very same moment!! > > I once went to a Ithaca ny super super supermarket > with my aunt. " wegman's superstore " i think. > oh it was a wonderfull store...but i was " psycotic " > for hours afterward...my aunt wondered about my sanity > > as i rode back home with her...the sense overload in > that store was too tooo much...the bright lights, the > buzzing of all the clerks...noise, lights, > hummms...and > the psychedelics splat of 90,734 colors of can goods > and vegies! > > my POINT is, folks.... > that back in the slower days of the 1950s, or > thereabouts, a High level autistic person could COPE!! > the pace of life was such that a sheltered niche could > > be found, and no one would ever know that person is > autistic. why even the " shadow of autistic " person > might not > EVEN KNOW there was a brain problem at all, to his > life! he would naturally gravitate to a sheltered way > of > life in a little town where all his relatives live and > > he would work at some low key industry job...maybe for > > 30 or more years! why...both of my aunts still live > in their houses that they bought back in the early > 1950s!! imagine, folks...40 years sitting at the same > > kitchen window at the breakfast table...the same view > out > of that window! > these days....anyone with even a " touch " of autism is > UTTERLY behind the curve of adaptions to the pace of > our stress-filled life ways!! > i mean...on the cell phone in traffic; i see it from > the bus window everyday... > ---when a cereal company puts out 24 flavors of > POPTARTS, > as who actually has the TIME to l-a-b-o-i-o-u-s-l-y > pour milk into a bowl of cereal, these days: why they > cram the warm poptart into their mouths, direct from > toaster, as they RUN from the kitchen with briefcase > in > hand, to jump into their car for that 30 mile > power-commute at 6 am!! > gotta talk that cell phone on the Commuter train with > laptop next to ya with the wall street Journal on the > seat, open. > > the sensory overload that is becoming the norm, for > this society, why that overload could even cause a > " normal " person to have a kind of " nervious breakdown " > --immediately during a super-stress period, like when > i was in that supermarket, above... > ---or after a period of time, after months and years > at some stress-filled job! > and one of the ways a brain comes apart??...why that > could very well be in autistic symptoms...especally in > > a person with a genetic predisposition to autism. > > and this begins at a VERY early age, this sense > bombardment. kids in school...why the tv way of life > demands that each tv-image only is on the screen for > about > one second. yes...ADD and autism... > since even sports are not played for " fun " > anymore...even they are high exTreme and Competitive, > even in the > early grades...there is no more nice " recess " slow > time for kids of a different pace. > > " miners canaries " > this is a term used sometimes for how some people > react to food additives and chemicals in our > envirnments...a warning to us all about what our way > of life is > doing to our bodies....they are a prophetic waring to > us > all. > well.... > this could hold for our minds and our SOULS too! > ADD and Autism...could be a miners canary for what our > > way of living is doing to us in our minds and in our > souls! > [take a modern teen-ager and take him to that > peacefull heaven after death and he will be bored to > pouting > in .004 seconds as there IS nothing going on > there---only " peace and traquillity " is there!!] > > > so we autistics are at the tail end of those 700 > joggers at the " springtime Marathon Run " . > ---the " run " that the people at the forefront DEFINE > as > winners, those people at the front...the winners must > be the type of fittness that wins the race. they > define what constitutes a winner, of course... all > other > types of fitnesses do not count, here, in this " run " ! > ---just about the only race in town, nowadays!! > > thus...i think that this is why there are more > autistic people today! > the way of live of this age is ever more demanding of > a certain way of living that is the WORST case of > livings, for many autistic people, and there are fewer > and > fewer places to hide, to be sheltered from the media > Storms.... > and even the " normal " kid may become mind-fractured > into Autism...under all the sense stress and > overloads! > > [feel free to quote or pass this article on to > others!!] > > freestone > > ===== > seen on a bridge overpass, in Rochester, ny 1970 > ... " AND THE TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH " ! > > Freestone > freestonew@... > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 Your husband thinks he has Asperger's ? What is he like, and what are his symptoms that make him think this? What do you think ? We arent' sure about moving - where or even if. We're trying to save up now for it, but it might be tricky because 's unemployment runs out in May, and we'll have to see how things go then. Amy Furlong26 yr old mother of 3: Sara-7, -5(autistic), Nick-1.Happily married for nearly 6 years to -25. Live inNortheast Ohio.Instant Message Name: mommyamy26Home page: http://mommyamy.homestead.com/FurlongFamily.com (unknown) It was great to get all the responses from Sharon, Nimz, and Amy Furlong. It is so great to here what other people have tried and are trying now. Sharon it is great that your 3 younger boys are so close. They will always have someone to play with. when you homeschooled your son last time did you homeschool your daughter too?I empathize with the reeducating a different teacher each year. That is what I feel I have to look forward too. There is a Third and Maybe a Forth grade teacher that I am very concerned about. There have been alot of parents with some major concerns about both teachers. The third grade teacher can be pretty cruel to the kids, I've heard her, and the fourth grade teacher is the one who the parents of a child with autism have already taken their child out of her class. Maybe I am just jumping ahead too much, my son is only in first grade now.I just think what I have to look forward too. It is kind of funny because next year my son will have a teacher that I had as a child. I think she is still a pretty good teacher, I work in her class everyday for a half an hour. I will have to check into both "Core Knowledge" and "School of Tomorrow" maybe my son would like to try homeschooling.Amy if you do move I hoope that you will have as good fo an expeirience with the next school. I hope your son does well in a mainstream school. An aide will make everything a whole lot easier for him. We are going to try and have an aide for about an hour a day, but I know he could benefit from having an aide all day. Around here where we live the whole problem would be finding a person to be his aide. My son says he hates to do work, it has been really hard trying to convince him that he needs to learn to read and do math but he doesn't care. Despite all of hate for learning though he is reading and doing math, he loves to do science experiments at home. He's always wanting to mix stuff together to see what will happen. He loves to build with Legos all of the time and says that when he grows up that he will just build things. We'll see what the furure holds I guess. I like the idea of asking for the week aheads work so that he can have all weekend to look over what he's going to be doing, that's great. Everyone take care. 28 year old mother of two Duncan-7 and Connor-2, been married almost 10 years to Mike-30, who also thinks he has Aspergers._________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Grant, welcome to the group, and I look forward to hearing more from you, as I am sure others on the list will also. God bless, Sharon(moderator) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2002 Report Share Posted August 18, 2002 Just out of curiosity. How come? I mean, I am autistic and not too many people want to get to know me or anything. This is a nice group though. Are you autistic or do you have an autistic child or are you in education? Just wanted to ask. Hope I asked the right way. I am not always very good at this. Mouse ( McLonigan-) --- spirit4ms@... wrote: > Hello, > I am interested in learning about autism, more on a > personal leavel than on a professional level. I look > forward to meeting everyone. > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 I cannot speak for your son, Sue, as you will understand. I can only tell you that, from a personal point of view, I was never aware if anybody was around me or not. Very few people were ever able to penetrate my brain ice and still that is the case. It may be different for your son, I really cannot say, but that was the way it was for me. Ade! Re: (unknown) >Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) > >Just out of curiosity. How come? I mean, I am autistic >and not too many people want to get to know me or >anything. This is a nice group though. Are you >autistic or do you have an autistic child or are you >in education? Just wanted to ask. Hope I asked the >right way. I am not always very good at this. >Mouse ( McLonigan-) > >--- spirit4ms@... wrote: > > Hello, > > I am interested in learning about autism, more on a > > personal leavel than on a professional level. I look > > forward to meeting everyone. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Mouse, You seem like a nice person. I'm glad that you found this group, because everyone does seem nice. I'm 45 and still feel bad about being rejected in elementary school. I certainly have symptoms of Aspergers, Oh well. My son is autistic, I feel sad that he is alone all the time. I just don't know if he's happy or sad to be alone. He doesn't share many of his emotions with us, as you may guess. Now that I'm older, I don't mind being alone so much, although I have my husband (who is also pretty much a loner) and my 3 sons, 19, 20, & the 23 year old who is autistic. I work with a nice group, but am alone in my cubicle most of the day--which is fine with me. I'm curious, of those on this site who are autistic and/or have aspergers, do you think that my son is okay about being alone all the time? (meaning no friends at all) I'm just curious what you all think. Thank you for your help in trying to understand him better. Sue > >Reply-To: autism-aspergers >To: autism-aspergers >Subject: Re: (unknown) >Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) > >Just out of curiosity. How come? I mean, I am autistic >and not too many people want to get to know me or >anything. This is a nice group though. Are you >autistic or do you have an autistic child or are you >in education? Just wanted to ask. Hope I asked the >right way. I am not always very good at this. >Mouse ( McLonigan-) > >--- spirit4ms@... wrote: > > Hello, > > I am interested in learning about autism, more on a > > personal leavel than on a professional level. I look > > forward to meeting everyone. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Hi Mouse, I like your name. curiosity, maybe connection, maybe fate. I have always connected with people that others may not have been able to. I can't explain my entire life situation simply but I have recently taken a leave of absence from work to be home with my children and care for them and myself. (their father recently passed away) A year ago I met a friend that has a son that is autistic, since then I have met another adult with autism. I am finding it a very interesting and misunderstood thing and would like to consider going into work with these children, but I am not sure in what content. I also have decided I do not want to learn about it from the " politics and science " point of view.Not at first anyway. I have some free time to get on line and room in my life to get to know a few people, I thought this would be a great way to do it. I look forward to getting to know you. Thanks, Ruth --- Mouse wrote: > Just out of curiosity. How come? I mean, I am > autistic > and not too many people want to get to know me or > anything. This is a nice group though. Are you > autistic or do you have an autistic child or are you > in education? Just wanted to ask. Hope I asked the > right way. I am not always very good at this. > Mouse ( McLonigan-) > > --- spirit4ms@... wrote: > > Hello, > > I am interested in learning about autism, more on > a > > personal leavel than on a professional level. I > look > > forward to meeting everyone. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Thank you. I am called Mouse because I don't speak and make very little noise. My family began called me Mouse about 2 years old, so I am told. I have 2 brothers that were grown when I was born and they call me " the little prince " . I am rather glad it was Mouse that stuck and not Prince. I am sorry your childrens father died. That must be tough. I had a car accident about a month or so ago and I have wondered ever since, what will happen to me when my parents die? Hopefully, I won't have to deal with it for a long long time. To read books about autism is usually pointless so I am told. I go to a camp in Indiana and the people range all over the spectrum. One was 13 and had no language or communication skills and another had excellent verbal skills and writing skills. Several could speak but thier speech was distorted (I would take distorted speech if I could just be understood, like they could). Only one had any real obsession and that was with the weather. Three of us do that flapping, wiggling finger thing. One was blind and had Aspergers but I could not see anything " wrong " with him except that he could not see and I really did not consider that a bad thing. Yes, most of us had meltdowns, mine are nuclear in size and duration. A friend of mine has major nuclear meltdowns every 30 minutes or so but they only last about 2 minutes. Makes his mom crazy but he has perfect speech. From my point of view, only one person there, a boy and just a few years younger than me, was most like me. 72 people and only 1 seemed like me. I saw myself in things some of them did, but not all and not all the time. I also thought most of them were a little brighter than I am, although there were a few who were retarded as well as autistic. I think the problem with autism is that the problem is not obvioius. I am not missing an arm, I don't have downs syndrome and my mother did not take thalydomide causing birth defects. My behaviours always seemed to other people to be things I could help and just did not " try hard enough " . I would guess others experienced the same thing. Maybe with people like Ade it's even worse. She is obviously very intelligent and has a lot of education and can speak. She said one time that people thought her arrogant. I, at least, have the advantage or disadvantage of not being verbal, so people do not seek me out and now, as an adult (I am 25), I am pretty much left alone. At the camp I go to there are a lot of volunteers and many are going into education and most say that thier experiences are so much different than the textbooks. I figure they will all make good teachers and I wish that I could have had teachers, like I imagine they will be, when I was young. I hope you become a teacher. You are already way ahead of many students in special education. You know, I think when you sit in on those classes, you must get about 2 days on autism and 2 semesters on every other disability. At any rate, I am glad my question did not offend you. Sometimes I don't say things the right way. Mouse --- spirit4ms@... wrote: > Hi Mouse, > I like your name. > curiosity, maybe connection, maybe fate. I have > always > connected with people that others may not have been > able to. I can't explain my entire life situation > simply but I have recently taken a leave of absence > from work to be home with my children and care for > them and myself. (their father recently passed away) > A > year ago I met a friend that has a son that is > autistic, since then I have met another adult with > autism. I am finding it a very interesting and > misunderstood thing and would like to consider going > into work with these children, but I am not sure in > what content. I also have decided I do not want to > learn about it from the " politics and science " point > of view.Not at first anyway. I have some free time > to > get on line and room in my life to get to know a few > people, I thought this would be a great way to do > it. > I look forward to getting to know you. Thanks, Ruth > --- Mouse wrote: > > Just out of curiosity. How come? I mean, I am > > autistic > > and not too many people want to get to know me or > > anything. This is a nice group though. Are you > > autistic or do you have an autistic child or are > you > > in education? Just wanted to ask. Hope I asked the > > right way. I am not always very good at this. > > Mouse ( McLonigan-) > > > > --- spirit4ms@... wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I am interested in learning about autism, more > on > > a > > > personal leavel than on a professional level. I > > look > > > forward to meeting everyone. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 I feel better being left alone. In fact, I sit all day an open mail and sort it and deliver it and then note some of it in the computer. I sit at my desk wearing ear protectors to keep out the noise. I just want no part of it. I might look like I am preparing to guide in a landing lear jet, but they work. I can also say that with the advent of e-mail, my world is not as small as it would have been had I been born in the before computers. Well, technically I was but we had then in school by the time I was able to understand things. Except for camp and this web site and my synagogue, I have no real friends and actually I don't at the synagogue either but you get my point. I bet your son is just fine being left alone. I am only 2 years older than him (although everyone tells me I look about 15 or so) so it's not like I am speaking from the standpoint of someone who is much older or younger than your son. Mouse --- Ade Rowley wrote: > I cannot speak for your son, Sue, as you will > understand. I can only tell > you that, from a personal point of view, I was never > aware if anybody was > around me or not. Very few people were ever able to > penetrate my brain ice > and still that is the case. It may be different for > your son, I really > cannot say, but that was the way it was for me. > > Ade! > Re: (unknown) > >Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Just out of curiosity. How come? I mean, I am > autistic > >and not too many people want to get to know me or > >anything. This is a nice group though. Are you > >autistic or do you have an autistic child or are > you > >in education? Just wanted to ask. Hope I asked the > >right way. I am not always very good at this. > >Mouse ( McLonigan-) > > > >--- spirit4ms@... wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I am interested in learning about autism, more > on a > > > personal leavel than on a professional level. I > look > > > forward to meeting everyone. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Thank you, Mouse. Your thoughts are very helpful to me. Sue > >Reply-To: autism-aspergers >To: autism-aspergers >Subject: Re: (unknown) >Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:10:57 -0700 (PDT) > >I feel better being left alone. In fact, I sit all day >an open mail and sort it and deliver it and then note >some of it in the computer. I sit at my desk wearing >ear protectors to keep out the noise. I just want no >part of it. I might look like I am preparing to guide >in a landing lear jet, but they work. >I can also say that with the advent of e-mail, my >world is not as small as it would have been had I been >born in the before computers. Well, technically I was >but we had then in school by the time I was able to >understand things. Except for camp and this web site >and my synagogue, I have no real friends and actually >I don't at the synagogue either but you get my point. >I bet your son is just fine being left alone. I am >only 2 years older than him (although everyone tells >me I look about 15 or so) so it's not like I am >speaking from the standpoint of someone who is much >older or younger than your son. >Mouse >--- Ade Rowley wrote: > > I cannot speak for your son, Sue, as you will > > understand. I can only tell > > you that, from a personal point of view, I was never > > aware if anybody was > > around me or not. Very few people were ever able to > > penetrate my brain ice > > and still that is the case. It may be different for > > your son, I really > > cannot say, but that was the way it was for me. > > > > Ade! > > Re: (unknown) > > >Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Just out of curiosity. How come? I mean, I am > > autistic > > >and not too many people want to get to know me or > > >anything. This is a nice group though. Are you > > >autistic or do you have an autistic child or are > > you > > >in education? Just wanted to ask. Hope I asked the > > >right way. I am not always very good at this. > > >Mouse ( McLonigan-) > > > > > >--- spirit4ms@... wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am interested in learning about autism, more > > on a > > > > personal leavel than on a professional level. I > > look > > > > forward to meeting everyone. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Some people look up. I tend to put my hand on my chin and mouth when I think. Bec Mouse wrote: ,What Ade meant is that his address is going to belisted on the e-mail he sent in. Maybe you alreadyerased it or something. It's ade.rowley@... At least I think that is what it is. By the way,doesn't everyone hang thier head when they think? Mouse__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 ....curious ...why should I hang my head?????? julie robottom At 04:49 PM 8/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: >, >What Ade meant is that his address is going to be >listed on the e-mail he sent in. Maybe you already >erased it or something. It's ade.rowley@... >At least I think that is what it is. By the way, >doesn't everyone hang thier head when they think? >Mouse > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Some people look up. I tend to put my hand on my chin and mouth when I think. Bec Mouse wrote: , What Ade meant is that his address is going to be listed on the e-mail he sent in. Maybe you already erased it or something. It's ade.rowley@... At least I think that is what it is. By the way, doesn't everyone hang thier head when they think? Mouse I look down with the edge of my hand on my forehead, like a sunscreen. My husband looks straight ahead. Our son looks straight ahead or down, depending on his mood. BTW, our son is our autistic guy, and my husband has had two strokes. Annie, who loves ya annie@... -- No distance of place or lapse of time can lessen the friendship of those who are thoroughly persuaded of each other's worth. -- Southey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2002 Report Share Posted August 24, 2002 Oh...well.........I don't know. I just thought I did it so everyone did. I don't know. Maybe... blood flow to the brain. Yeah. I like that answer. I'm going with that one. Mouse --- Robottom wrote: > ...curious ...why should I hang my head?????? > julie robottom > > > > At 04:49 PM 8/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >, > >What Ade meant is that his address is going to be > >listed on the e-mail he sent in. Maybe you already > >erased it or something. It's ade.rowley@... > >At least I think that is what it is. By the way, > >doesn't everyone hang thier head when they think? > >Mouse > > > >__________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2002 Report Share Posted August 24, 2002 LOL ..... likes that blood to the brain .... it is odd my 20 yr old son with Aspergers does hang his head to think but my other two children with autism at the moment do not when I stopped and really looked at them hard and long ..the others tend to stop and stare although my daughter who has autism along with CP, ID and epilepsy does focus on your eyes but in a way that makes me feel as if she is viewing me from a microscope ...but I too will go with the blood to the head made me laugh for the first time in over a week .... thank you I like it very much julie robottom who will think more with her head down she thinks *grin* At 04:27 PM 8/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Oh...well.........I don't know. I just thought I did >it so everyone did. I don't know. Maybe... blood flow >to the brain. Yeah. I like that answer. I'm going with >that one. >Mouse >--- Robottom wrote: > > ...curious ...why should I hang my head?????? > > julie robottom > > > > > > > > At 04:49 PM 8/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >, > > >What Ade meant is that his address is going to be > > >listed on the e-mail he sent in. Maybe you already > > >erased it or something. It's ade.rowley@... > > >At least I think that is what it is. By the way, > > >doesn't everyone hang thier head when they think? > > >Mouse > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2002 Report Share Posted August 24, 2002 I read somewhere that people tend to look up when they think if they are trying to remember through visual memory and down if they are using auditory memories. It kind of makes sense to me, I don't know if it's true or remember where I read it. Sue > >Reply-To: autism-aspergers >To: autism-aspergers >Subject: Re: (unknown) >Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:11:53 -0600 > > >Some people look up. I tend to put my hand on my chin and mouth when I >think. > >Bec > > Mouse wrote: > > , > What Ade meant is that his address is going to be > listed on the e-mail he sent in. Maybe you already > erased it or something. It's ade.rowley@... > At least I think that is what it is. By the way, > doesn't everyone hang thier head when they think? > Mouse > >I look down with the edge of my hand on my forehead, like a sunscreen. >My husband looks straight ahead. Our son looks straight ahead or down, >depending on his mood. BTW, our son is our autistic guy, and my husband >has had two strokes. > >Annie, who loves ya annie@... >-- >No distance of place or lapse of time can lessen the friendship of those >who are thoroughly >persuaded of each other's worth. -- Southey _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Dear Susie Your viral load is actually low, anything a million or below is normal, so that is good. Your alt and ast are kinda high, but we can not go by this as a rule of thumb -- because the fluctuate so much. You didn't mention what stage or grade you are in, I am assuming you are in stage 4, if your Doctor is wanting to put you on a transplant list. Don't ever give up Girl, there are so many miracles happening out there every single day. I have seen a man, that was also on a transplant list, and couldn't do TX, however he did a natural herbal formula and now he is off the list and has actually reversed some of the damage. I will be keeping you in my prayers Dear -- keep your faith and inner strength. Through God all things are possible!!! Please remember that. Also it never hurts to get a second opinion, even if you love your Doc, most of them out there are not even as educated on the virus as we are... Good luck to you and know that we are all praying and rooting for you.. Love, Hugs, and Prayers Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Oh Rich! I had a good laugh at this article. Good old Bullworker men. Loyal to the last drop! :-) My shoulder is s l o w l y getting better! GAAAA! This week has been HELL! MAJOR pain in the right shoulder and arm!! :-( Been popping ibuprofen like candy! Now! Push ups! I am doing abdominals and waist freehand exercises in addition to the Bulllworker, but would like to find out about what type of push ups - and HOW to do them so that I gain results, and not PAIN!! :-) HELP!!!! Thinking about maybe adding half an hour of yoga poses in the morning, too...bad idea? What do you say, guys? Nosh --- richard pancoast wrote: > I just found a site about some sort of Pilates devise,but > the guy who wrote it had the following to say:The > Bullworker, if you remember, was a monstrous > self-contained exercise device with a giant spring inside > two metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes > were steel cables encapsulated in plastic. To exercise > your muscles and legs with a Bullworker, you would either > compress the spring by pushing in on either end of the > pipe (gauging your strength progress by watching a > plastic marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest > compression) or you'd pull out on the steel cables (which > still compressed the spring) using the opposing muscles > of your arms and legs. > Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is > just as good as a Bullworker and it is certainly a > lighter and a more talented piece of exercise equipment > because it's kinder to use and more compact: > Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the > devise he writes about weighs 2 pounds,according to the > article.So,he claims the Bullworker was a monstrous,heavy > devise,and that it no longer exists. > I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. > If you'd like to email him,his address is: > boles@... > You can read the article at: goinside.com/00/4/magic.html > > He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic > Circle.Never heard of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Hi ,I never got hurt using the Bullworker.There was a devise sold years ago,advocated by Dave Draper.I can't really remember the name,but it was a strait bar with two bicycle handle bar grips with a big spring in the middle.The idea was to bring the 2 handles together to build up your chest.It was the opposite princible of the old spring chest expander.One day one of the handles slipped from my grip,and it felt like I got hit by Foreman.The funny thing is it must have whacked some others too,as I saw my freind,who owned one too,wearing his high school football helmet with a full linemans cage facemask while working out with this thing.I think it was called the Power Flex,but I'm not sure.The next year it came out with safety straps on the 2 handles,and then thru law suites it faded off into oblivion.....any of you Bullworkers remember that thing...Dawk. (unknown) I just found a site about some sort of Pilates devise,but the guy who wrote it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you remember, was a monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant spring inside two metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were steel cables encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and legs with a Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by pushing in on either end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by watching a plastic marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest compression) or you'd pull out on the steel cables (which still compressed the spring) using the opposing muscles of your arms and legs. Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is just as good as a Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more talented piece of exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more compact: Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the devise he writes about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he claims the Bullworker was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer exists. I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@... You can read the article at: goinside.com/00/4/magic.html He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic Circle.Never heard of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 , Your not going to get big muscles from the bullworker. Isometrics mainly build strength and not size. Strength gains are limited to perhaps about 20 degrees from the angle at which your contracting the muscle. If you want some more size your going to have to do a more standard form of training- like weights. Dave (unknown) > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates devise,but the guy who wrote >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you remember, was a >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant spring inside two >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were steel cables >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and legs with a >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by pushing in on either >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by watching a plastic >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest compression) or you'd pull >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the spring) using the >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is just as good as a >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more talented piece of >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more compact: >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the devise he writes >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he claims the Bullworker >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer exists. >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@... >You can read the article at: goinside.com/00/4/magic.html >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic Circle.Never heard >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. > > > >--------------------------------- >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 This is one of the most sincere piece of advise. Arvind (unknown)>>>I just found a site about some sort of Pilates devise,but the guy who wrote >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you remember, was a >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant spring inside two >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were steel cables >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and legs with a >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by pushing in on either >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by watching a plastic >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest compression) or you'd pull >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the spring) using the >opposing muscles of your arms and legs.>Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is just as good as a >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more talented piece of >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more compact:>Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the devise he writes >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he claims the Bullworker >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer exists.>I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes.>If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@...>You can read the article at: goinside.com/00/4/magic.html>He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic Circle.Never heard >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker.>>>>--------------------------------->Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page>>__________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Cheers guys; thanks for getting back to me. I do intend to keep at it ( " the rewards are great " i keep saying to myself). Perhaps I should do weights on alternative days. But I've always been a bit cautious about weights partly because I never know how much is the correct amount I should be lifting - I guess I should have a read up on that. I'd say I do eat relatively healthy; making sure that I get a good dosage of fruit and veg everyday avoiding junk food (though... cake and chocolate tends to escpe that bracket), though I have to say that I haven't really considered milk before. I'll continue with my training on the bullworker for another month and see what comes out of that (I'll keep you all informed - it's good this newsgroup for keeping you focused I think, so thank you to the directors'). It's difficult to be patient but ultimately I guess I am in this for the long run (otherwise what's the point?) so what's the hurry? Thanks again > >Reply-To: bullworkerclub >To: <bullworkerclub > >Subject: Re: (unknown) >Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:09:31 -0400 > >, > >Your not going to get big muscles from the bullworker. >Isometrics mainly build strength and not size. Strength gains are limited >to >perhaps about 20 degrees from the angle at which your contracting the >muscle. >If you want some more size your going to have to do a more standard form of >training- like weights. > >Dave > (unknown) > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates devise,but the guy who >wrote > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you remember, was a > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant spring inside two > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were steel cables > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and legs with a > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by pushing in on either > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by watching a plastic > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest compression) or you'd pull > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the spring) using the > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is just as good as a > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more talented piece of > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more compact: > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the devise he writes > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he claims the >Bullworker > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer exists. > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@... > >You can read the article at: goinside.com/00/4/magic.html > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic Circle.Never >heard > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > >__________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 Actually, this advise is not sound. First off, the issue of " big muscles " is totally subjective. Do you want to look like a Pro BBr? If so, get to the gym and get on the steroids, that is the way they do that. If you want to add muscle mass like a normal athlete, then the BW can help you do that. Regarding strength gains, it is most useful to work the muscle in three positions, ie three diff isometric contractions. Hence, you do one contraction for the beg, middle and end position of the muscle's movement. The data suggests that the strength is GREATEST at 15 degrees EITHER side of the contraction point or 30 degrees per angle. Three times 30 is 90 degrees!!! For more muscle mass, hold your contractions longer ie say 15 seconds each. For more strength, use 7 seconds contractins. To gain mass, take more days off per week, say 3. Enjoy! Hi ,I never got hurt > >using the Bullworker.There was a devise sold years ago,advocated by Dave > >Draper.I can't really remember the name,but it was a strait bar with two > >bicycle handle bar grips with a big spring in the middle.The idea was to > >bring the 2 handles together to build up your chest.It was the opposite > >princible of the old spring chest expander.One day one of the handles > >slipped from my grip,and it felt like I got hit by Foreman.The funny > >thing is it must have whacked some others too,as I saw my freind,who owned > >one too,wearing his high school football helmet with a full linemans cage > >facemask while working out with this thing.I think it was called the Power > >Flex,but I'm not sure.The next year it came out with safety straps on the 2 > >handles,and then thru law suites it faded off into oblivion.....any of you > >Bullworkers remember that thing...Dawk. > > (unknown) > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates devise,but the guy who wrote > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you remember, was a > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant spring inside two > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were steel cables > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and legs with a > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by pushing in on either > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by watching a plastic > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest compression) or you'd pull > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the spring) using the > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is just as good as a > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more talented piece of > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more compact: > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the devise he writes > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he claims the Bullworker > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer exists. > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g... > >You can read the article at: goinside.com/00/4/magic.html > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic Circle.Never heard > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > >__________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Unfortunately, you are wrong in your conclusion about the BW and more directly, isometric exercise. Isos will add muscle mass as well as strength. Likley to do so with less total exercise time than the alternatives. This is due to isos superior ability to generate time under tension more efficiently than other methods. Callies and weights will work also. Each path is valid and will get you there. You need to bone up on your research a bit I think! Hi ,I never got hurt > > >using the Bullworker.There was a devise sold years ago,advocated > by Dave > > >Draper.I can't really remember the name,but it was a strait bar > with two > > >bicycle handle bar grips with a big spring in the middle.The idea > was to > > >bring the 2 handles together to build up your chest.It was the > opposite > > >princible of the old spring chest expander.One day one of the > handles > > >slipped from my grip,and it felt like I got hit by > Foreman.The funny > > >thing is it must have whacked some others too,as I saw my > freind,who owned > > >one too,wearing his high school football helmet with a full > linemans cage > > >facemask while working out with this thing.I think it was called > the Power > > >Flex,but I'm not sure.The next year it came out with safety > straps on the 2 > > >handles,and then thru law suites it faded off into > oblivion.....any of you > > >Bullworkers remember that thing...Dawk. > > > (unknown) > > > > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates devise,but the guy > who wrote > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you remember, was a > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant spring > inside two > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were steel > cables > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and legs with a > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by pushing in on > either > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by watching a > plastic > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest compression) or > you'd pull > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the spring) using > the > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is just as > good as a > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more talented > piece of > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more compact: > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the devise > he writes > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he claims the > Bullworker > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer exists. > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g... > > >You can read the article at: goinside.com/00/4/magic.html > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic > Circle.Never heard > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 You don't know where to look, nor what you are talking about. So you should refrain from speaking, no? Several good references on this subject! " Supertraining " By Drs. Ziff and Verkhoshanky " Science of Sports Training " by Kurz Both books have solid sections on isometric lab research. Also, you can do a google on " isometric exercise muscle mass " You may have to move beyond the first two pages but IT CAN BE DONE! And as I have said, other methods of resistence will also build muscle mass. Remember, time under tension is the rule. Check out the tension possible with isos. Perhaps you are just lazy? Hi ,I never got hurt > > > >using the Bullworker.There was a devise sold years ago,advocated > > by Dave > > > >Draper.I can't really remember the name,but it was a strait bar > > with two > > > >bicycle handle bar grips with a big spring in the middle.The > idea > > was to > > > >bring the 2 handles together to build up your chest.It was the > > opposite > > > >princible of the old spring chest expander.One day one of the > > handles > > > >slipped from my grip,and it felt like I got hit by > > Foreman.The funny > > > >thing is it must have whacked some others too,as I saw my > > freind,who owned > > > >one too,wearing his high school football helmet with a full > > linemans cage > > > >facemask while working out with this thing.I think it was called > > the Power > > > >Flex,but I'm not sure.The next year it came out with safety > > straps on the 2 > > > >handles,and then thru law suites it faded off into > > oblivion.....any of you > > > >Bullworkers remember that thing...Dawk. > > > > (unknown) > > > > > > > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates devise,but the > guy > > who wrote > > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you remember, > was a > > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant spring > > inside two > > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were steel > > cables > > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and legs > with a > > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by pushing in > on > > either > > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by watching a > > plastic > > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest compression) or > > you'd pull > > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the spring) > using > > the > > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. > > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is just as > > good as a > > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more talented > > piece of > > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more compact: > > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the devise > > he writes > > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he claims the > > Bullworker > > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer exists. > > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. > > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g... > > > >You can read the article at: goinside.com/00/4/magic.html > > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic > > Circle.Never heard > > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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