Re: Successful Treatment of Chronic Erythema Nodosum with Vitamin B12

[Guest guest]

Thank you! That is very interesting and I will definitely carefully

look into inceasing Vitamin B12 intake.

It mentions about vegetarians being low in B12. I wasn't a vegetarian

when I first started getting EN but I never ate much meat. I have

been a veggie now for about 10 years, so overall there is a chance I

guess of having a low B12 intake.

thanks again

Fi

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[Guest guest]

Hi Fi and Group,

My hubby has had pernicious anemia for decades. He used to give

himself B-12 shots. Now he takes pills.

According to this link , there is no danger of B-12 overdose.

http://www2.netdoctor.co.uk/health_advice/facts/vitamins_which.htm

Vitamin B12 (cobalamin) properties

Good for:

* making red blood cells

* the formation of the nerves.

Signs of vitamin B12 deficiency:

* tiredness due to anaemia

* abnormalities of nervous tissue function.

Good sources of vitamin B12:

* fish

* liver

* beef

* pork

* milk

* cheese.

Vitamin B12 deficiency can arise in strict vegans because our dietary

sources of vitamin B12 are animal in origin. The other main cause of

vitamin B12 deficiency is pernicious anaemia.

Recommended daily amount: 1 microgram.

Poisoning: no danger as the vitamin dissolves in water, so excess is

excreted in the urine.

Destroyed by: water, sunlight, alcohol, oestrogen and sleeping pills.

*******

My hubby takes 2000 mcg. He is still slightly anaemic. He, like me, is

a vegartarian, but eats some fish.

What I have been wondering about is if the EN is the cause or the

effect of a B-12 deficiency. Sort of like a " chicken and egg "

question. B-12 deficiency is not listed as a cause of EN, but as was

mentioned disorders related to malabsorption are:

http://www.vitacost.com/science/hn/Concern/Vitamin_B12_Deficiency.htm

<<The term pernicious anemia is sometimes used colloquially to refer

to any anemia caused by vitamin B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 deficiency

can be due to malabsorption of dietary B12 despite normal levels of

intrinsic factor. For example, celiac disease and Crohn's disease may

cause B12 malabsorption, which can lead to anemia. Less common causes

of B12 deficiency include gastrointestinal surgery, pancreatic

disease, intestinal parasites, and certain drugs. Pregnancy,

hyperthyroidism, and advanced stages of cancer may increase the body's

requirement for B12, sometimes leading to a deficiency state.>>

How interesting that all these above states are listed as causes of EN

(even pregnancy)! There does seem to be a connection here.

Please Members, if you know anyone in the medical field who can help

us, invite them to the Group. They would be doing a great service.

Love,

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks so much for the information. I am going to Holland and

Barrett tomorrow to get some B12 tablets.

The more we can find out about this the better. I wish it were

possible to test ourselves to see if we were deficient in these

things.

I see what you mean about the chicken and egg situation. It is

indeed a mystery, one which I hope we can solve.

I might see if I can contact the consultant (either by e-mail or by

post) who I saw two years ago to ask his opinion about B12

deficiency and EN. it's worth a try.

Fi

>

> Hi Fi and Group,

> My hubby has had pernicious anemia for decades. He used to give

> himself B-12 shots. Now he takes pills.

>

> According to this link , there is no danger of B-12 overdose.

>

> http://www2.netdoctor.co.uk/health_advice/facts/vitamins_which.htm

>

> Vitamin B12 (cobalamin) properties

>

> Good for:

>

> * making red blood cells

>

> * the formation of the nerves.

>

> Signs of vitamin B12 deficiency:

>

> * tiredness due to anaemia

>

> * abnormalities of nervous tissue function.

>

> Good sources of vitamin B12:

>

> * fish

>

> * liver

>

> * beef

>

> * pork

>

> * milk

>

> * cheese.

>

> Vitamin B12 deficiency can arise in strict vegans because our

dietary

> sources of vitamin B12 are animal in origin. The other main cause

of

> vitamin B12 deficiency is pernicious anaemia.

>

> Recommended daily amount: 1 microgram.

>

> Poisoning: no danger as the vitamin dissolves in water, so excess

is

> excreted in the urine.

>

> Destroyed by: water, sunlight, alcohol, oestrogen and sleeping

pills.

>

> *******

> My hubby takes 2000 mcg. He is still slightly anaemic. He, like

me, is

> a vegartarian, but eats some fish.

>

> What I have been wondering about is if the EN is the cause or the

> effect of a B-12 deficiency. Sort of like a " chicken and egg "

> question. B-12 deficiency is not listed as a cause of EN, but as

was

> mentioned disorders related to malabsorption are:

>

>

http://www.vitacost.com/science/hn/Concern/Vitamin_B12_Deficiency.htm

>

> <<The term pernicious anemia is sometimes used colloquially to

refer

> to any anemia caused by vitamin B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12

deficiency

> can be due to malabsorption of dietary B12 despite normal levels of

> intrinsic factor. For example, celiac disease and Crohn's disease

may

> cause B12 malabsorption, which can lead to anemia. Less common

causes

> of B12 deficiency include gastrointestinal surgery, pancreatic

> disease, intestinal parasites, and certain drugs. Pregnancy,

> hyperthyroidism, and advanced stages of cancer may increase the

body's

> requirement for B12, sometimes leading to a deficiency state.>>

>

> How interesting that all these above states are listed as causes

of EN

> (even pregnancy)! There does seem to be a connection here.

>

> Please Members, if you know anyone in the medical field who can

help

> us, invite them to the Group. They would be doing a great service.

>

> Love,

>

>