Matt

[Guest guest]

>

> When you say weight training 2days will that be 2 days

> a week or 2days weight/1 cardio? If it's 2D/1C then

> just keep a major awareness of your body.

Hi Matt, I was thinking of doing 2 days WT with 20 min cardio

followed by 1 day of just cardio and cycling it that way. So I would

be getting cardio six days a week to burn that stubbborn fat.

The reason for this change was that I was not getting 8 hours of

sleep when i had to get up at 0430 for my w/o. I was getting to bed

at 9pm and I really need at least 8 hours or more. I was burning out

w/i two days of getting up at 0430. So I started to train after work.

So I know that w/o at 6pm was not burning the fat compared to 0430

am. I still plan on getting my day off on Fridays.

Plus I have some old injuries that I have to work around, so my w/o's

are not as intense as they would be if I was feeling 100%.

I will follow your advice and keep a close watch on how I feel and I

will listen to my body.

> I'm not suggesting you are stubborn too,

Actually..............

> I'm just saying congrats.

>

> Matt

>

Thanks so much for your valuable input!

[Guest guest]

---If you have no response to being called stupid, then I think it's also

safe to assume that you will remain stupid, because you agree with the

person calling you stupid that it's true.

Dear Matt,

I read this and laughed out loud...I'm getting to the place where I can hear

someone call me stupid and not have a response. My old resonse would be

walking out of the room, punching them in the arm, crying or yelling at

them *Takes one to know one!*.

Agreeing with a judgement feels really good now. By agreeing, I am no longer

a victim. I go within and find real fast where my friend is right and I have

been *stupid*. When I'm really listening to them without the story that they

should shut up, I wake up. I see the stupid thing I did and no longer remain

stupid...With awareness of *stupid*, I no longer remain stupid...

Stupidly yours, nne

---I remember a video of talking about a talk show. One of the

producers I think, said she was too old and fat to host a talk show. She

paused for a few minutes and then sort of chuckled. She said that he was in

the talk show business and he should know if " old and fat " didn't work for

that sort of thing, so she said something like " Ok, I can deal with that.

What's next? " I think that's freedom. On the other hand, now she's doing a

talk show on the radio. However, the videos I have of her doing

interventions for people show an exquisite host, brilliantly adept at what

she does and very attractive as she does it. My point is a question: What

would have happened if she would have challenged that assessment of her TV

talk show capability?

---As I have alluded to before, a string of psychiatrists have diagnosed me

with a mental illness that they say is unfixable. Because of problems with

my government job I was forced to retire after 20 years, and then the VA

sort of told me to give it up and signed me off as 100% disabled. Usually

the fate of people like me, is a chemical lobotomy and lots and lots of TV

in the day room. But I defy that assessment of my " brokenness " daily. My

model for that defiance is Nash, the subject of " A Beautiful Mind " .

Nash was more severely impaired than me, but he won a Noble Peace Prize for

his " Game Theory " and was able to teach complex math theory. I guess my

point is that there is " freedom " not fighting against something people tell

you is your Reality. And I mean I feel that freedom is true in every sense

of the word. But along with that there should be room to challenge those

judgments, even when everything says the judgment is right....if only around

the fringes, or between the cracks.

---I'm not talking about a " Sea biscuit " sort of " do or die " thing. My

mother always tried to chant reality into her vision of it with things like

" you're not crazy " repeated over a thousand times. The fact is I know I am

crazy. But I also wait to allow evidence about what I can do around inside

that idea, to reveal itself to me...not someone else. I wait, I watch, I

evaluate for myself and that begins with hearing " you're crazy " , and then

the next thing I do is begin to muck around inside the possibilities of

that, as well as the draw backs. As Nash and many others stand living

testimony to, judgments don't have to be the end of Inquiry, or stand

impenetrable or impervious to change.

---I think what I'm trying to say here is that inside of what I see is the

context of what stands for is the right to do something different, as

long as you realize that when you step back and look at it from outside

personal concerns, nothing is broken, nothing is mismatched, nothing is

misplaced...everything (in including you) is where it's supposed to be.

That's not a call to existential stasis...that's a call for exploration,

growth, stretching the status quo ever outward into a world full of

potential. Maybe that comes with the instant someone says " Hey you're

stupid " , and you respond with " The hell you say? "

---I think that's allowed...at least I hope so.

[Guest guest]

Dear Matt:

You said:

" Maybe that comes with the instant someone says " Hey you're

stupid " , and you respond with " The hell you say? "

---I think that's allowed...at least I hope so. "

Of course it is allowed. However, if you choose not to respond to

one calling you stupid, that has nothing to do with whether you are

or are not stupid. Not responding also does not infer that you are

agreeing with the one calling you stupid.

says: " When they attack you and you still love them, your work

is done. " And that does not preclude saying " The hell you say? " .

Steve D.

>

> ---If you have no response to being called stupid, then I think

it's also

> safe to assume that you will remain stupid, because you agree with

the

> person calling you stupid that it's true.

>

>

> Dear Matt,

>

> I read this and laughed out loud...I'm getting to the place where I

can hear

> someone call me stupid and not have a response. My old resonse

would be

> walking out of the room, punching them in the arm, crying or

yelling at

> them *Takes one to know one!*.

>

> Agreeing with a judgement feels really good now. By agreeing, I am

no longer

> a victim. I go within and find real fast where my friend is right

and I have

> been *stupid*. When I'm really listening to them without the story

that they

> should shut up, I wake up. I see the stupid thing I did and no

longer remain

> stupid...With awareness of *stupid*, I no longer remain stupid...

>

> Stupidly yours, nne

>

>

> ---I remember a video of talking about a talk show. One of the

> producers I think, said she was too old and fat to host a talk

show. She

> paused for a few minutes and then sort of chuckled. She said that

he was in

> the talk show business and he should know if " old and fat " didn't

work for

> that sort of thing, so she said something like " Ok, I can deal with

that.

> What's next? " I think that's freedom. On the other hand, now she's

doing a

> talk show on the radio. However, the videos I have of her doing

> interventions for people show an exquisite host, brilliantly adept

at what

> she does and very attractive as she does it. My point is a

question: What

> would have happened if she would have challenged that assessment of

her TV

> talk show capability?

>

> ---As I have alluded to before, a string of psychiatrists have

diagnosed me

> with a mental illness that they say is unfixable. Because of

problems with

> my government job I was forced to retire after 20 years, and then

the VA

> sort of told me to give it up and signed me off as 100% disabled.

Usually

> the fate of people like me, is a chemical lobotomy and lots and

lots of TV

> in the day room. But I defy that assessment of my " brokenness "

daily. My

> model for that defiance is Nash, the subject of " A Beautiful

Mind " .

> Nash was more severely impaired than me, but he won a Noble Peace

Prize for

> his " Game Theory " and was able to teach complex math theory. I

guess my

> point is that there is " freedom " not fighting against something

people tell

> you is your Reality. And I mean I feel that freedom is true in

every sense

> of the word. But along with that there should be room to challenge

those

> judgments, even when everything says the judgment is right....if

only around

> the fringes, or between the cracks.

>

> ---I'm not talking about a " Sea biscuit " sort of " do or die " thing.

My

> mother always tried to chant reality into her vision of it with

things like

> " you're not crazy " repeated over a thousand times. The fact is I

know I am

> crazy. But I also wait to allow evidence about what I can do around

inside

> that idea, to reveal itself to me...not someone else. I wait, I

watch, I

> evaluate for myself and that begins with hearing " you're crazy " ,

and then

> the next thing I do is begin to muck around inside the

possibilities of

> that, as well as the draw backs. As Nash and many others stand

living

> testimony to, judgments don't have to be the end of Inquiry, or

stand

> impenetrable or impervious to change.

>

> ---I think what I'm trying to say here is that inside of what I see

is the

> context of what stands for is the right to do something

different, as

> long as you realize that when you step back and look at it from

outside

> personal concerns, nothing is broken, nothing is mismatched,

nothing is

> misplaced...everything (in including you) is where it's supposed to

be.

> That's not a call to existential stasis...that's a call for

exploration,

> growth, stretching the status quo ever outward into a world full of

> potential. Maybe that comes with the instant someone says " Hey

you're

> stupid " , and you respond with " The hell you say? "

>

> ---I think that's allowed...at least I hope so.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Matt,

I totally agree with you....it was the arguing with the judgement that

kept me stuck in not being able to do it differently and grow.

And I still can throw a *takes one to know one* line at my kids but it

feels different inside....I'm laughing with them when I throw the

pillow at them and I totally love them....

nne

[Guest guest]

Dear Matt,

I totally agree with you....it was the arguing with the judgement that kept

me stuck in not being able to do it differently and grow.

And I still can throw a *takes one to know one* line at my kids but it feels

different inside....I'm laughing with them when I throw the pillow at them

and I totally love them....

nne

---Somehow I knew all that, and launched into whatever the hell I was

talking about any way. Oh well, at least with didn't get anything on us.

Have a good evening nne. See you tomorrow.

[Guest guest]

---I remember a video of talking about a talk show. One of the

producers I think, said she was too old and fat to host a talk show.

She paused for a few minutes and then sort of chuckled. She said that

he was in the talk show business and he should know if " old and fat "

didn't work for that sort of thing, so she said something like " Ok, I

can deal with that. What's next? " I think that's freedom.

*****I call that " being centered. "

On the other hand, now she's doing a talk show on the radio. However,

the videos I have of her doing interventions for people show an

exquisite host, brilliantly adept at what she does and very

attractive as she does it. My point is a question: What would have

happened if she would have challenged that assessment of her TV

talk show capability?

*****Why care about fantasy (What *would have* happened...)? Pay

attention to right now, that is where the rubber meets the road. ;-))

---As I have alluded to before, a string of psychiatrists have

diagnosed me with a mental illness that they say is unfixable.

Because of problems with my government job I was forced to retire

after 20 years, and then the VA sort of told me to give it up and

signed me off as 100% disabled. Usually the fate of people like me,

is a chemical lobotomy and lots and lots of TV in the day room. But I

defy that assessment of my " brokenness " daily. My model for that

defiance is Nash, the subject of " A Beautiful Mind " . Nash was

more severely impaired than me, but he won a Noble Peace Prize for

his " Game Theory " and was able to teach complex math theory.

*****Just to prevent further dissemination of incorrect information,

there is no Noble Peace Prize for Mathematics. Nash won an

equivalent prize, true, but it is called the Fields Medal.

I guess my point is that there is " freedom " not fighting against

something people tell you is your Reality. And I mean I feel that

freedom is true in every sense of the word. But along with that there

should be room to challenge those judgments, even when everything

says the judgment is right....if only around the fringes, or between

the cracks.

*****There is no freedom *of* thought, only freedom from thought.

---I'm not talking about a " Sea biscuit " sort of " do or die " thing. My

mother always tried to chant reality into her vision of it with

things like " you're not crazy " repeated over a thousand times. The

fact is I know I am crazy.

*****You're the sanest crazy person I've dialogued with.

But I also wait to allow evidence about what I can do around inside

that idea, to reveal itself to me...not someone else. I wait, I

watch, I evaluate for myself and that begins with hearing " you're

crazy " , and then the next thing I do is begin to muck around inside

the possibilities of that, as well as the draw backs. As Nash

and many others stand living testimony to, judgments don't have to be

the end of Inquiry, or stand impenetrable or impervious to change.

---I think what I'm trying to say here is that inside of what I see

is the context of what stands for is the right to do something

different, as long as you realize that when you step back and look at

it from outside personal concerns, nothing is broken, nothing is

mismatched, nothing is misplaced...everything (in including you) is

where it's supposed to be. That's not a call to existential

stasis...that's a call for exploration, growth, stretching the status

quo ever outward into a world full of potential. Maybe that comes

with the instant someone says " Hey you're stupid " , and you respond

with " The hell you say? "

---I think that's allowed...at least I hope so.

*****Everything is allowed; nothing is prohibited. Just recognize

that in society there are frequently phenomenal consequences to

certain behaviors.

[Guest guest]

---[Thanks Andy, I was pulling that information from the top of my

head around nap time and actually never understood the details of the

distinction...I just knew I didn't have a Nobel Prize/Fields medal,

and I trust neither do you. For a " nut " to have one, I thought that

was damn good...I just didn't understand the details of what that

meant apparently. Just to check on you though, you did get my point

didn't you?

#####You had a point? ;-))

---[i did, but I forgot what it was now].

**********Excellent! That is how it works. :-)))

---[i have my moments. There are a lot of " smart " people on this

list, and you are one of the CEO's.

#####In recent years I've not held " smart " or " intelligent " in the

high regard I used to. Of course there's nothing wrong with being

that way, but for me, what is held in significantly higher esteem is

wisdom, kindness, compassion.

---[i'd rather be smart].

**********Really. You hold " smartness " higher on some internally-

created hierachy than being " wise " ? [i differentiate the two in this

manner: (for me) being smart relates to learned knowledge, things

which can be quantified; being wise points to insight, a non-verbal

knowing which can neither be directly articulated nor effectively

defended (as in a debate or a court of law).]

I also have periods where I " go away " . But it is the " idea " I've come

away with, the visual path that I've adapted from what I " think "

that " The Work " could be, that helps me pick my way through the

hallucinations, and stay out of that day room in my robe and state

issued slippers].

#####I find it nice when you " come back. "

---You must also enjoy hail storms and earthquakes, but I appreciate

the thought. Thanks for your patience Andy and your sense of humor.

If we don't have any of that, this " Loving What Is " stuff can be

pretty constipated....at least that's my experience. And thank you

for your " wisdom, kindness and compassion " .

**********I don't experience you as the equivalent of a hail storm or

earthquake. More like a mild snowstorm or rain shower: sometimes a

bit inconvenient, on occasion somewhat messy, now and then a little

untimely, but always entertaining, thought-provoking, and pleasant,

much like the multifaceted faces that nature's mosiac presents us

with throughout the year.

[Guest guest]

#####You had a point? ;-))

---[i did, but I forgot what it was now].

**********Excellent! That is how it works. :-)))

---Senility?

**********Really. You hold " smartness " higher on some internally- created

hierachy than being " wise " ? [i differentiate the two in this

manner: (for me) being smart relates to learned knowledge, things

which can be quantified; being wise points to insight, a non-verbal

knowing which can neither be directly articulated nor effectively

defended (as in a debate or a court of law).]

---I think " smart " can bring you a nice pay check, and " wise " can get you a

good seat at the bar.

---You must also enjoy hail storms and earthquakes, but I appreciate

the thought. Thanks for your patience Andy and your sense of humor.

If we don't have any of that, this " Loving What Is " stuff can be

pretty constipated....at least that's my experience. And thank you

for your " wisdom, kindness and compassion " .

**********I don't experience you as the equivalent of a hail storm or

earthquake. More like a mild snowstorm or rain shower: sometimes a

bit inconvenient, on occasion somewhat messy, now and then a little

untimely, but always entertaining, thought-provoking, and pleasant,

much like the multifaceted faces that nature's mosiac presents us

with throughout the year.

---Maybe at some point, you'll actually be talking to " me " . It could happen.