Re: dark circles under eyes

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracie. My first thought from reading your post was phenol issues from the OJ. Maybe try No-Fenol Enzyme from Houstons or Kirkman's has an enzyme for phenols as well. Could be withdrawal too I suppose or seasonal allergies. I'm happy for you that you are seeing positives so quickly from removing casein! Blessings, TinaTracie Schooley wrote: Hi everyone......I have another question (and

probably tons to come)We have been casein free over 1 week and mostly gluten free. Today hehad a fabulous day!!!! His handwriting was better than ever before andhe seemed to be able to concentrate more than usual (we homeschool so,I am able to watch him all day) His little tummy isn't as bloated asusual either.The problem is tonight, he has darker circles under his eyes. He hasalways had them but, they are darker tonight. He is also starting toget some canker sores on his gums (2). The cankers are probably fromdrinking O.J. We usually don't drink much but the DAN doc told us todrink some daily since he isn't on calcium supps and does not want anymilk replacements. He thinks they are all yucky. Should I beconcerned about the circles or is this just part of the process?(withdrawl?......another problem with a food

intolerance?)Thanks!Tracie

[Guest guest]

I think you can try removing all gluten and wait some extra days to

see effect.

Most children have adverse reaction on diet for some weeks.

Dark under eyes can be other intolerance as you´ve mentioned, but

also other things. Pathogens release toxins when die, now you are

not feeding them as they were used to.

You can consider a try on Specific carbs diet later, when your son

is stable and you know accurately the efect of gfcf diet.

btw what´s O.J.?

Did you checked for yeast? other gut pathogens?

>

> Hi everyone......I have another question (and probably tons to

come)

> We have been casein free over 1 week and mostly gluten free. Today

he

> had a fabulous day!!!! His handwriting was better than ever before

and

> he seemed to be able to concentrate more than usual (we homeschool

so,

> I am able to watch him all day) His little tummy isn't as bloated

as

> usual either.

>

> The problem is tonight, he has darker circles under his eyes. He

has

> always had them but, they are darker tonight. He is also starting

to

> get some canker sores on his gums (2). The cankers are probably

from

> drinking O.J. We usually don't drink much but the DAN doc told us

to

> drink some daily since he isn't on calcium supps and does not want

any

> milk replacements. He thinks they are all yucky. Should I be

> concerned about the circles or is this just part of the process?

> (withdrawl?......another problem with a food intolerance?)

>

> Thanks!

>

> Tracie

>

[Guest guest]

> My grand daughter used to get cancer sores

> regularly. Our ND told us that was a B vitamin

> deficiency. Sure enough B vitamin supplements

> worked right away.

>

In traditional Western society, I think we have

difficulty seeing a connection between something

like dark circles and a B vitamin deficiency.

I know from reading and different shows I watch

(You Are What You Eat on BBC America is a

particular favorite right now), that vitamin and

supplement deficiencies can show in various parts

of the body, particularly the tongue and eyes.

For example, after watching an episode of my

favorite show, I learned that iron deficiency can

show as paleness when you pull the lower eye lid

down. This area should be rosy. Iron deficiency

can cause heart palpitations and lethargy.

Two seconds after seeing this, I was checking my

husband, and sure enough his eyes were pale as

milk. He went on iron, and in about 3 days he

felt better and his energy had increased.

Does anyone on here have other things like this

to share? I think the more we know as parents,

the more we can do with confidence for our

children.

Kim

PS I also learned that cracks in the tongue mean

a B-vitamin deficiency. B-vitamin deficiency

causes lack of energy and depression.

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I'm very interested in the whole mold connection issue. A friend of mine, Dominie Bush runs a Fibro help website and she has had great success in healing her mold (lung) problems using the Cholestyramine, even at 1-2 scoops a day rather than the 4 x day suggested. However, when I look up the side effects and drug interactions for this product (see link below) it has many, including interactions with thyroid and hydrocortisone and anti-depressants, etc. What is your experience with this and can you weigh in why you think it interacts with these meds?

http://www.rxzone.us/product.cfm/rx/Cholestyramine-4-GmDose-PowderCan-378-GM-449330.html

Steph Stultz> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:57:48 +0000> Subject: Re: Dark circles under eyes> > Either a good nutritionist or a really good ENT should be able to help > you. However, most ENTs are more traditional and think the only kind > of allergy you can have is an immediate (IgE) reaction, which is what > they're looking for when they make a checkerboard on your back and > prick you with about 20-30 different substances. We spent $600 out of > pocket to have that done for my son by a top allergy doc in Dallas and > he told me that my son couldn't possibly have reactions to dairy or > wheat/gluten unless they were overt.> > Some of the better tests are the ALCAT - this seems to be one that > most docs I know are using these days. This is one I did on my own:> http://www.optimumhealthresource.com/> Also, enterolab will test for some of the top ones:> gluten/wheat, dairy, egg, yeast and soy> If you've not been screened for gluten/wheat, then enterolab is the > best choice as the other tests will recommend additional testing if > gluten is the problem (they're just not as accurate).> > . > > > >> > > > ,> > > > Do you recommend seeing just a nutrionist for allergy testing (all > aspects including delayed food), or would a good ENT do it? I am > interested in being allergy tested. I have a great nutritionist and > hubby has a great ENT, so luckily I have access to either resource. > > > > Thanks,> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/> >> > > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

I have had pretty good luck with regular ol' Centrum Multivitamin. You can buy thing big bottles of 250 at Wal-Mart for a reasonable price.

-> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:25:41 +0000> Subject: Re: Dark circles under eyes> > > My vit C intake is not so good. In fact I don't take it all. I take so> many supplements. I need a good multi vit so I don't have to take> everything individually. Can anyone recommend one?> > Yvette> > > > >> > Yvette, how about Vitamin C intake? I have read in a couple of places> that,> > when you have stressors going on in the body or out, your C gets> sapped, and> > you need more than other people when these dark circles appear. It> seems to> > me that the eyes is one of the first places to show these effects.> >> > > >> > Re: Dark circles under eyes> >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

I think I have that I just don't use it.

Yvette

>

>

> I have had pretty good luck with regular ol' Centrum Multivitamin. You

can buy thing big bottles of 250 at Wal-Mart for a reasonable price.

>

> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/

>

[Guest guest]

Most multi-vitamins will not have the amount of vitamin C necessary

for adrenal support for most of us (of course, as always, YMMV).

I love the Emer-gen-C packets. My local Walmart sells them (best

price) or you can buy them online at iherb.com or get them at Whole

Foods or Sprouts. The good thing about them is that they also have

the B vitamins and some magnesium that we all need to support our

adrenals as well. Certainly, a high quality multi is a good basis

for all of us IMHO. I like the Trader Joe's brand and stock up on

that when I travel either West or East.

B.

> >

> >

> > I have had pretty good luck with regular ol' Centrum

Multivitamin. You

> can buy thing big bottles of 250 at Wal-Mart for a reasonable

price.

> >

> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The warning about thyroid meds is because CSM will also bind with

some of your thyroid hormone IF you don't take it sublingually

(that's what I do, so I don't have a problem). However, CSM also

binds fat soluble vitamins for obvious reasons - CSM works by

removing cholesterol since toxins are circulated in your body via

fat. So, I did find that I needed to take extra A, D and E while on

CSM, but I got all that from cod liver oil and carrot juicing.

CSM is most effectively taken 30 minutes before a meal as the bile

secretion triggered during a meal optimizes the toxin removal. If

you take it after a meal, you should do so at least one hour after

and/or follow the basic rules for anything that would bind and make

either a medication or supplement/food not effective (e.g., I would

allow at least 2 hours between abx and CSM just like one would do if

one were taking iron, calcium, etc. (since these also bind with

hormones, etc.).

The biggest issue with CSM is that if you don't have very regular

BMs (i.e., at least one/ideally 2+ per day), you can get really

plugged up the first two weeks - that's usually the only reason

folks can't tolerate it. You can fairly easily counteract this by

taking extra vitamin C or magnesium. Because I and my kids were

already doing that when we started CSM, none of us had that issue.

And, absolutely, the max dosage of CSM and how long you have to take

it for it to be effective is very, very individual. I am a worse

case scenario - I've got the genotype that about 3% of the

population has and we don't detox anything, which is why I must be

on maintenance dosages.

B

>

>

>

> ,

>

> I'm very interested in the whole mold connection issue. A friend

of mine, Dominie Bush runs a Fibro help website and she has had

great success in healing her mold (lung) problems using the

Cholestyramine, even at 1-2 scoops a day rather than the 4 x day

suggested. However, when I look up the side effects and drug

interactions for this product (see link below) it has many,

including interactions with thyroid and hydrocortisone and anti-

depressants, etc. What is your experience with this and can you

weigh in why you think it interacts with these meds?

>

>

> http://www.rxzone.us/product.cfm/rx/Cholestyramine-4-GmDose-

PowderCan-378-GM-449330.html

>

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[Guest guest]

I’m looking for the best way to take

my meds/vitamins and add Vitamin C. Here is what I do so far and please

correct me if I am doing something incorrect:

7:00am Armour

8:00am Breakfast, DHEA, Protogolone (both

compounded together), Seleium, Idoral & Sublingual B

1:00 pm Armour (sublingual)

5:30 pm Dinner, Calcium w/D & Magnesium

10:00 pm Progesteron & Iron (both slow

release)

Now where do I fit in Vitamin C and I am

taking any of the vitamins incorrectly?

Thanks for your suggestions,

Penny

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[Guest guest]

I really do read everything.... but what is CSM, please?

Marti

> The warning about thyroid meds is because CSM will also bind with

> some of your thyroid hormone IF you don't take it sublingually

> (that's what I do, so I don't have a problem). However, CSM also

> binds fat soluble vitamins for obvious reasons - CSM works by

> removing cholesterol since toxins are circulated in your body via

> fat. So, I did find that I needed to take extra A, D and E while on

> CSM, but I got all that from cod liver oil and carrot juicing.

>

[Guest guest]

Penny,

You may want to switch your calcium and iron. Good that you are

separating them by 4 hours. Vitamin C helps with iron absorption so I'd

add it in there. Calcium will help with sleep. Is your Vitamin D D3

(cholecalciferol)?

Karla

>

> I'm looking for the best way to take my meds/vitamins and add Vitamin

C.

> Here is what I do so far and please correct me if I am doing something

> incorrect:

>

>

>

> 7:00am Armour

>

> 8:00am Breakfast, DHEA, Protogolone (both compounded together),

Seleium,

> Idoral & Sublingual B

>

> 1:00 pm Armour (sublingual)

>

> 5:30 pm Dinner, Calcium w/D & Magnesium

>

> 10:00 pm Progesteron & Iron (both slow release)

>

> Now where do I fit in Vitamin C and I am taking any of the vitamins

> incorrectly?

>

> Thanks for your suggestions,

>

> Penny

[Guest guest]

I take my iron and Vit C together as they are synergistic.

Marti

> I’m looking for the best way to take my meds/vitamins and add Vitamin

> C.  Here is what I do so far and please correct me if I am doing

> something incorrect:

>  

> 7:00am  Armour

> 8:00am Breakfast, DHEA, Protogolone (both compounded together),

> Seleium, Idoral & Sublingual B

> 1:00 pm Armour (sublingual)

> 5:30 pm Dinner, Calcium w/D & Magnesium

> 10:00 pm Progesteron & Iron (both slow release)

>  

> Now where do I fit in Vitamin C and I am taking any of the vitamins

> incorrectly?

>  

> Thanks for your suggestions,

>  

> Penny