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>Uh oh, here we go again... :-)

Phht....it was a conference thing. In fact, the message sent was

alarmingly close to spam, given that its trying to sell things.

Never beleive anything you read that is trying to sell you something.

Kassiane who knows that autism isnt recoverable because theres nothing

to " recover " FROM

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I honestly don't know why I am going here, but Kassaine, I have to ask.

Since you clearly believe that autism is something more like a blessing than

a desease or condition, why do you do therapy work with children within the

spectrum and belong to lists like this? If there is nothing to recover from,

then why not just leave well enough alone and let the auties of the world

enjoy their good fortune?

" Follow those who seek the truth. Run from those who say they've found it "

Vaclav Havel

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>Uh oh, here we go again... :-)

Phht....it was a conference thing. In fact, the message sent was

alarmingly close to spam, given that its trying to sell things.

Never beleive anything you read that is trying to sell you something.

Kassiane who knows that autism isnt recoverable because theres nothing

to " recover " FROM

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I honestly don't know why I am going here, but Kassaine, I have to ask.

Since you clearly believe that autism is something more like a blessing than

a desease or condition, why do you do therapy work with children within the

spectrum and belong to lists like this? If there is nothing to recover from,

then why not just leave well enough alone and let the auties of the world

enjoy their good fortune?

" Follow those who seek the truth. Run from those who say they've found it "

Vaclav Havel

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>Uh oh, here we go again... :-)

Phht....it was a conference thing. In fact, the message sent was

alarmingly close to spam, given that its trying to sell things.

Never beleive anything you read that is trying to sell you something.

Kassiane who knows that autism isnt recoverable because theres nothing

to " recover " FROM

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I honestly don't know why I am going here, but Kassaine, I have to ask.

Since you clearly believe that autism is something more like a blessing

than

a desease or condition, why do you do therapy work with children within

the

spectrum and belong to lists like this? If there is nothing to recover

from,

then why not just leave well enough alone and let the auties of the

world

enjoy their good fortune?>>

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with.

As for groups, I try to help people understand their kids, again for the

benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont want to understand

your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

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I honestly don't know why I am going here, but Kassaine, I have to ask.

Since you clearly believe that autism is something more like a blessing

than

a desease or condition, why do you do therapy work with children within

the

spectrum and belong to lists like this? If there is nothing to recover

from,

then why not just leave well enough alone and let the auties of the

world

enjoy their good fortune?>>

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with.

As for groups, I try to help people understand their kids, again for the

benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont want to understand

your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

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Why on earth are we starting this again.....we just got over all this,

now someone wishes to bring it all up again...lets just leave the

subject please!! Cheryl S who is getting real tired of all this back

biting!!! [not you kassiane!!]

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I honestly don't know why I am going here, but Kassaine, I have to ask.

Since you clearly believe that autism is something more like a blessing

than a desease or condition, why do you do therapy work with children

within the spectrum and belong to lists like this? If there is nothing

to recover from, then why not just leave well enough alone and let the

auties of the world enjoy their good fortune?>>

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with. As for groups, I try to help people understand their

kids, again for the benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont

want to understand your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

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-----Original Message-----

From: Kassiane Yelbis

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with.

As for groups, I try to help people understand their kids, again for the

benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont want to understand

your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

[ian Menzies]

OK, I understand and even applaud your position as stated above. In fact,

it seems to me that it falls comfortably in line with that of the seminar

you just poo poo'd. To site again their key points to be covered:

* How to implement a step-by-step program combining latest medical,

nutritional and behavioral therapies to maximize your child's

development

* What you can do to help bowel problems and behavior issues using

simple, proven methods

* What special diagnostic tests can disclose about a child's

individual problems and how they can be treated

* Why your child may be screeching, flapping, a picky eater, fixated,

can't hold eye contact, extreme behavior AND what can be done to

alleviate and eliminate many of these symptoms

* How to implement a proven and effective diet that reduces and

eliminates many autistic symptoms

* How to treat nutritional deficiencies caused by picky eating and

bowel problems

Are these not all possible ways in which one might hope to help their

child " adapt to the world " ? And if so, why chastize those who might want to

go?

Ian (who certainly didn't intend any rudeness and believes he will

probably never really understand his child- but is always trying)

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-----Original Message-----

From: Kassiane Yelbis

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with.

As for groups, I try to help people understand their kids, again for the

benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont want to understand

your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

[ian Menzies]

OK, I understand and even applaud your position as stated above. In fact,

it seems to me that it falls comfortably in line with that of the seminar

you just poo poo'd. To site again their key points to be covered:

* How to implement a step-by-step program combining latest medical,

nutritional and behavioral therapies to maximize your child's

development

* What you can do to help bowel problems and behavior issues using

simple, proven methods

* What special diagnostic tests can disclose about a child's

individual problems and how they can be treated

* Why your child may be screeching, flapping, a picky eater, fixated,

can't hold eye contact, extreme behavior AND what can be done to

alleviate and eliminate many of these symptoms

* How to implement a proven and effective diet that reduces and

eliminates many autistic symptoms

* How to treat nutritional deficiencies caused by picky eating and

bowel problems

Are these not all possible ways in which one might hope to help their

child " adapt to the world " ? And if so, why chastize those who might want to

go?

Ian (who certainly didn't intend any rudeness and believes he will

probably never really understand his child- but is always trying)

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Clearly then I am the one back biting....hmmm seems to me Kassiane was the

one who started this again. But not to worry, I'm gonna quit spending my

time being accused of not wanting to understand my child and get back to the

misguided task of trying to make my girl better. See ya....

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I honestly don't know why I am going here, but Kassaine, I have to ask.

Since you clearly believe that autism is something more like a blessing

than a desease or condition, why do you do therapy work with children

within the spectrum and belong to lists like this? If there is nothing

to recover from, then why not just leave well enough alone and let the

auties of the world enjoy their good fortune?>>

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with. As for groups, I try to help people understand their

kids, again for the benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont

want to understand your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

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To change the subject....I hear so much of diet with AS kids , but I

really don't know what foods to or not let her eat. Is anyone doing a

diet... is it gluten free...and what does or doesn't have gluten??

,Kara's mom

On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:27 PM, Kassiane Yelbis wrote:

>

> I honestly don't know why I am going here, but Kassaine, I have to ask.

> Since you clearly believe that autism is something more like a blessing

> than

> a desease or condition, why do you do therapy work with children within

> the

> spectrum and belong to lists like this? If there is nothing to recover

> from,

> then why not just leave well enough alone and let the auties of the

> world

> enjoy their good fortune?>>

>

> I TRY to help people, thats why.

> This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

> kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

> not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

> its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

> with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

> other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

> be treated with.

> As for groups, I try to help people understand their kids, again for

> the

> benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont want to understand

> your child?

>

> Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

> quite rude./

>

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-----Original Message-----

From: Kassiane Yelbis

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with.

As for groups, I try to help people understand their kids, again for the

benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont want to understand

your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

[ian Menzies]

OK, I understand and even applaud your position as stated above. In

fact,

it seems to me that it falls comfortably in line with that of the

seminar

you just poo poo'd. To site again their key points to be covered:

* How to implement a step-by-step program combining latest medical,

nutritional and behavioral therapies to maximize your child's

development

* What you can do to help bowel problems and behavior issues using

simple, proven methods

* What special diagnostic tests can disclose about a child's

individual problems and how they can be treated

* Why your child may be screeching, flapping, a picky eater, fixated,

can't hold eye contact, extreme behavior AND what can be done to

alleviate and eliminate many of these symptoms

* How to implement a proven and effective diet that reduces and

eliminates many autistic symptoms

* How to treat nutritional deficiencies caused by picky eating and

bowel problems

Are these not all possible ways in which one might hope to help their

child " adapt to the world " ? And if so, why chastize those who might want

to

go?>>

I wasnt poopooing the whole conference...the comments were more directed

towards the title. Autism can be recovered...what kind of name is that?

I have no problem with making kids more comfortable, I just wouldnt

trust anything that makes a claim thats generally thought to be not true

and is trying to sell something at the same time.

Kassiane and her makeing self clear problem

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-----Original Message-----

From: Kassiane Yelbis

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with.

As for groups, I try to help people understand their kids, again for the

benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont want to understand

your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

[ian Menzies]

OK, I understand and even applaud your position as stated above. In

fact,

it seems to me that it falls comfortably in line with that of the

seminar

you just poo poo'd. To site again their key points to be covered:

* How to implement a step-by-step program combining latest medical,

nutritional and behavioral therapies to maximize your child's

development

* What you can do to help bowel problems and behavior issues using

simple, proven methods

* What special diagnostic tests can disclose about a child's

individual problems and how they can be treated

* Why your child may be screeching, flapping, a picky eater, fixated,

can't hold eye contact, extreme behavior AND what can be done to

alleviate and eliminate many of these symptoms

* How to implement a proven and effective diet that reduces and

eliminates many autistic symptoms

* How to treat nutritional deficiencies caused by picky eating and

bowel problems

Are these not all possible ways in which one might hope to help their

child " adapt to the world " ? And if so, why chastize those who might want

to

go?>>

I wasnt poopooing the whole conference...the comments were more directed

towards the title. Autism can be recovered...what kind of name is that?

I have no problem with making kids more comfortable, I just wouldnt

trust anything that makes a claim thats generally thought to be not true

and is trying to sell something at the same time.

Kassiane and her makeing self clear problem

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-----Original Message-----

From: Kassiane Yelbis

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with.

As for groups, I try to help people understand their kids, again for the

benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont want to understand

your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

[ian Menzies]

OK, I understand and even applaud your position as stated above. In

fact,

it seems to me that it falls comfortably in line with that of the

seminar

you just poo poo'd. To site again their key points to be covered:

* How to implement a step-by-step program combining latest medical,

nutritional and behavioral therapies to maximize your child's

development

* What you can do to help bowel problems and behavior issues using

simple, proven methods

* What special diagnostic tests can disclose about a child's

individual problems and how they can be treated

* Why your child may be screeching, flapping, a picky eater, fixated,

can't hold eye contact, extreme behavior AND what can be done to

alleviate and eliminate many of these symptoms

* How to implement a proven and effective diet that reduces and

eliminates many autistic symptoms

* How to treat nutritional deficiencies caused by picky eating and

bowel problems

Are these not all possible ways in which one might hope to help their

child " adapt to the world " ? And if so, why chastize those who might want

to

go?>>

I wasnt poopooing the whole conference...the comments were more directed

towards the title. Autism can be recovered...what kind of name is that?

I have no problem with making kids more comfortable, I just wouldnt

trust anything that makes a claim thats generally thought to be not true

and is trying to sell something at the same time.

Kassiane and her makeing self clear problem

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Kassiane,

I don't think I ever said you were wrong about anything and this last email

was in response to Cheryl S's comments to my email in which she accused me

by exclusion of back biting. You have knowledge and perspective on autism

that none of us parents can ever have and that I'm sure is a benefit to this

list. But there is one thing that I think you should try to take more into

consideration. As NT parents with AS kids, we have a perspective that you

can never have. One filled with emotional baggage, sleepless nights and

heart wrenching decisions. It's a perspective that doesn't always welcome

dismissive comments about anything - and I mean anything - that might

provide useful input or ideas for our struggle. Sure the pitch for this

seminar is over hyped and undoubtedly misleading, but to dismiss it out of

hand seems to me a mistake and frankly counter productive. Anyway, please

accept my apologies for any offence I may have caused.

Ian

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Clearly then I am the one back biting....hmmm seems to me Kassiane was

the

one who started this again. But not to worry, I'm gonna quit spending my

time being accused of not wanting to understand my child and get back to

the

misguided task of trying to make my girl better. See ya....

>>

Oh PLEASE! All I said was that *I* wasnt going to start anything over a

CONFERENCE EMAIL.

Am I the one who is wrong because Im spectrum, young, a non parent, or

some other reason? Im keeping a tally of the reasons people say these

things about me.

Kassiane who didnt want to get into this and actually deleted the

origional email

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Kassiane,

I don't think I ever said you were wrong about anything and this last email

was in response to Cheryl S's comments to my email in which she accused me

by exclusion of back biting. You have knowledge and perspective on autism

that none of us parents can ever have and that I'm sure is a benefit to this

list. But there is one thing that I think you should try to take more into

consideration. As NT parents with AS kids, we have a perspective that you

can never have. One filled with emotional baggage, sleepless nights and

heart wrenching decisions. It's a perspective that doesn't always welcome

dismissive comments about anything - and I mean anything - that might

provide useful input or ideas for our struggle. Sure the pitch for this

seminar is over hyped and undoubtedly misleading, but to dismiss it out of

hand seems to me a mistake and frankly counter productive. Anyway, please

accept my apologies for any offence I may have caused.

Ian

RE: Re: Autism IS Recoverable!!! Early Bird

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Clearly then I am the one back biting....hmmm seems to me Kassiane was

the

one who started this again. But not to worry, I'm gonna quit spending my

time being accused of not wanting to understand my child and get back to

the

misguided task of trying to make my girl better. See ya....

>>

Oh PLEASE! All I said was that *I* wasnt going to start anything over a

CONFERENCE EMAIL.

Am I the one who is wrong because Im spectrum, young, a non parent, or

some other reason? Im keeping a tally of the reasons people say these

things about me.

Kassiane who didnt want to get into this and actually deleted the

origional email

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Kassiane,

I don't think I ever said you were wrong about anything and this last email

was in response to Cheryl S's comments to my email in which she accused me

by exclusion of back biting. You have knowledge and perspective on autism

that none of us parents can ever have and that I'm sure is a benefit to this

list. But there is one thing that I think you should try to take more into

consideration. As NT parents with AS kids, we have a perspective that you

can never have. One filled with emotional baggage, sleepless nights and

heart wrenching decisions. It's a perspective that doesn't always welcome

dismissive comments about anything - and I mean anything - that might

provide useful input or ideas for our struggle. Sure the pitch for this

seminar is over hyped and undoubtedly misleading, but to dismiss it out of

hand seems to me a mistake and frankly counter productive. Anyway, please

accept my apologies for any offence I may have caused.

Ian

RE: Re: Autism IS Recoverable!!! Early Bird

Rate expires May 1, 2003

Clearly then I am the one back biting....hmmm seems to me Kassiane was

the

one who started this again. But not to worry, I'm gonna quit spending my

time being accused of not wanting to understand my child and get back to

the

misguided task of trying to make my girl better. See ya....

>>

Oh PLEASE! All I said was that *I* wasnt going to start anything over a

CONFERENCE EMAIL.

Am I the one who is wrong because Im spectrum, young, a non parent, or

some other reason? Im keeping a tally of the reasons people say these

things about me.

Kassiane who didnt want to get into this and actually deleted the

origional email

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Kassiane,

I don't think I ever said you were wrong about anything and this last email

was in response to Cheryl S's comments to my email in which she accused me

by exclusion of back biting. You have knowledge and perspective on autism

that none of us parents can ever have and that I'm sure is a benefit to this

list. But there is one thing that I think you should try to take more into

consideration. As NT parents with AS kids, we have a perspective that you

can never have. One filled with emotional baggage, sleepless nights and

heart wrenching decisions. It's a perspective that doesn't always welcome

dismissive comments about anything - and I mean anything - that might

provide useful input or ideas for our struggle. Sure the pitch for this

seminar is over hyped and undoubtedly misleading, but to dismiss it out of

hand seems to me a mistake and frankly counter productive. Anyway, please

accept my apologies for any offence I may have caused.

Ian

RE: Re: Autism IS Recoverable!!! Early Bird

Rate expires May 1, 2003

Clearly then I am the one back biting....hmmm seems to me Kassiane was

the

one who started this again. But not to worry, I'm gonna quit spending my

time being accused of not wanting to understand my child and get back to

the

misguided task of trying to make my girl better. See ya....

>>

Oh PLEASE! All I said was that *I* wasnt going to start anything over a

CONFERENCE EMAIL.

Am I the one who is wrong because Im spectrum, young, a non parent, or

some other reason? Im keeping a tally of the reasons people say these

things about me.

Kassiane who didnt want to get into this and actually deleted the

origional email

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Kassiane,

I don't think I ever said you were wrong about anything and this last email

was in response to Cheryl S's comments to my email in which she accused me

by exclusion of back biting. You have knowledge and perspective on autism

that none of us parents can ever have and that I'm sure is a benefit to this

list. But there is one thing that I think you should try to take more into

consideration. As NT parents with AS kids, we have a perspective that you

can never have. One filled with emotional baggage, sleepless nights and

heart wrenching decisions. It's a perspective that doesn't always welcome

dismissive comments about anything - and I mean anything - that might

provide useful input or ideas for our struggle. Sure the pitch for this

seminar is over hyped and undoubtedly misleading, but to dismiss it out of

hand seems to me a mistake and frankly counter productive. Anyway, please

accept my apologies for any offence I may have caused.

Ian

RE: Re: Autism IS Recoverable!!! Early Bird

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Clearly then I am the one back biting....hmmm seems to me Kassiane was

the

one who started this again. But not to worry, I'm gonna quit spending my

time being accused of not wanting to understand my child and get back to

the

misguided task of trying to make my girl better. See ya....

>>

Oh PLEASE! All I said was that *I* wasnt going to start anything over a

CONFERENCE EMAIL.

Am I the one who is wrong because Im spectrum, young, a non parent, or

some other reason? Im keeping a tally of the reasons people say these

things about me.

Kassiane who didnt want to get into this and actually deleted the

origional email

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Kassiane,

I don't think I ever said you were wrong about anything and this last email

was in response to Cheryl S's comments to my email in which she accused me

by exclusion of back biting. You have knowledge and perspective on autism

that none of us parents can ever have and that I'm sure is a benefit to this

list. But there is one thing that I think you should try to take more into

consideration. As NT parents with AS kids, we have a perspective that you

can never have. One filled with emotional baggage, sleepless nights and

heart wrenching decisions. It's a perspective that doesn't always welcome

dismissive comments about anything - and I mean anything - that might

provide useful input or ideas for our struggle. Sure the pitch for this

seminar is over hyped and undoubtedly misleading, but to dismiss it out of

hand seems to me a mistake and frankly counter productive. Anyway, please

accept my apologies for any offence I may have caused.

Ian

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Clearly then I am the one back biting....hmmm seems to me Kassiane was

the

one who started this again. But not to worry, I'm gonna quit spending my

time being accused of not wanting to understand my child and get back to

the

misguided task of trying to make my girl better. See ya....

>>

Oh PLEASE! All I said was that *I* wasnt going to start anything over a

CONFERENCE EMAIL.

Am I the one who is wrong because Im spectrum, young, a non parent, or

some other reason? Im keeping a tally of the reasons people say these

things about me.

Kassiane who didnt want to get into this and actually deleted the

origional email

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<-----Original Message----->

Kassiane,

I don't think I ever said you were wrong about anything and this last

email

was in response to Cheryl S's comments to my email in which she accused

me

by exclusion of back biting. You have knowledge and perspective on

autism

that none of us parents can ever have and that I'm sure is a benefit to

this

list. But there is one thing that I think you should try to take more

into

consideration. As NT parents with AS kids, we have a perspective that

you

can never have. One filled with emotional baggage, sleepless nights and

heart wrenching decisions. >>

You dont think Ive had that? I do, but dont take MY word for it...ask

the friend who sat with me during a flashback to a " fun " event when I

was 10. Ask my self inflicted toothmarks and bruises. Ask the bruises I

got because my friend was trying to keep me from knocking myself out in

an attempt to make it go away. Ask the bruises my friend now has because

he was trying to keep me from knocking myself out. There's emotional

baggage, only in my case it's Post Traumatic Stress. I have sleepless

nights too, neurologically and traumatically based. I think I average

about 4 hours a night, in a really good week. Not saying that yours dont

mean anything, just that parents dont have a monopoly on these things.

I<<t's a perspective that doesn't always welcome

dismissive comments about anything - and I mean anything - that might

provide useful input or ideas for our struggle. Sure the pitch for this

seminar is over hyped and undoubtedly misleading, but to dismiss it out

of

hand seems to me a mistake and frankly counter productive. Anyway,

please

accept my apologies for any offence I may have caused.

Ian >>

I think its counterproductive for people to say that something that can

be removed CANT be in the interest of making money. What about the

parents who cant afford to go, and honestly think that they are

neglecting their kids because they cant afford that kind of

intervention? I work with a family that is trying EVERYTHING in a

desperate attempt to have a more normal child (and I dont agree with

this, or their attitude that they want him normal RIGHT NOW, but I adore

their son), and they are quite upset that they cant afford all the pills

and gfcf etc.

Kassiane

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<-----Original Message----->

Kassiane,

I don't think I ever said you were wrong about anything and this last

email

was in response to Cheryl S's comments to my email in which she accused

me

by exclusion of back biting. You have knowledge and perspective on

autism

that none of us parents can ever have and that I'm sure is a benefit to

this

list. But there is one thing that I think you should try to take more

into

consideration. As NT parents with AS kids, we have a perspective that

you

can never have. One filled with emotional baggage, sleepless nights and

heart wrenching decisions. >>

You dont think Ive had that? I do, but dont take MY word for it...ask

the friend who sat with me during a flashback to a " fun " event when I

was 10. Ask my self inflicted toothmarks and bruises. Ask the bruises I

got because my friend was trying to keep me from knocking myself out in

an attempt to make it go away. Ask the bruises my friend now has because

he was trying to keep me from knocking myself out. There's emotional

baggage, only in my case it's Post Traumatic Stress. I have sleepless

nights too, neurologically and traumatically based. I think I average

about 4 hours a night, in a really good week. Not saying that yours dont

mean anything, just that parents dont have a monopoly on these things.

I<<t's a perspective that doesn't always welcome

dismissive comments about anything - and I mean anything - that might

provide useful input or ideas for our struggle. Sure the pitch for this

seminar is over hyped and undoubtedly misleading, but to dismiss it out

of

hand seems to me a mistake and frankly counter productive. Anyway,

please

accept my apologies for any offence I may have caused.

Ian >>

I think its counterproductive for people to say that something that can

be removed CANT be in the interest of making money. What about the

parents who cant afford to go, and honestly think that they are

neglecting their kids because they cant afford that kind of

intervention? I work with a family that is trying EVERYTHING in a

desperate attempt to have a more normal child (and I dont agree with

this, or their attitude that they want him normal RIGHT NOW, but I adore

their son), and they are quite upset that they cant afford all the pills

and gfcf etc.

Kassiane

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<-----Original Message----->

Kassiane,

I don't think I ever said you were wrong about anything and this last

email

was in response to Cheryl S's comments to my email in which she accused

me

by exclusion of back biting. You have knowledge and perspective on

autism

that none of us parents can ever have and that I'm sure is a benefit to

this

list. But there is one thing that I think you should try to take more

into

consideration. As NT parents with AS kids, we have a perspective that

you

can never have. One filled with emotional baggage, sleepless nights and

heart wrenching decisions. >>

You dont think Ive had that? I do, but dont take MY word for it...ask

the friend who sat with me during a flashback to a " fun " event when I

was 10. Ask my self inflicted toothmarks and bruises. Ask the bruises I

got because my friend was trying to keep me from knocking myself out in

an attempt to make it go away. Ask the bruises my friend now has because

he was trying to keep me from knocking myself out. There's emotional

baggage, only in my case it's Post Traumatic Stress. I have sleepless

nights too, neurologically and traumatically based. I think I average

about 4 hours a night, in a really good week. Not saying that yours dont

mean anything, just that parents dont have a monopoly on these things.

I<<t's a perspective that doesn't always welcome

dismissive comments about anything - and I mean anything - that might

provide useful input or ideas for our struggle. Sure the pitch for this

seminar is over hyped and undoubtedly misleading, but to dismiss it out

of

hand seems to me a mistake and frankly counter productive. Anyway,

please

accept my apologies for any offence I may have caused.

Ian >>

I think its counterproductive for people to say that something that can

be removed CANT be in the interest of making money. What about the

parents who cant afford to go, and honestly think that they are

neglecting their kids because they cant afford that kind of

intervention? I work with a family that is trying EVERYTHING in a

desperate attempt to have a more normal child (and I dont agree with

this, or their attitude that they want him normal RIGHT NOW, but I adore

their son), and they are quite upset that they cant afford all the pills

and gfcf etc.

Kassiane

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i wasn't accusing anyone...........i just get tired of the same subject all

the time. Was not out to offend anyone.........hopefully my appology will be

accepted. cheryl s

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I honestly don't know why I am going here, but Kassaine, I have to ask.

Since you clearly believe that autism is something more like a blessing

than a desease or condition, why do you do therapy work with children

within the spectrum and belong to lists like this? If there is nothing

to recover from, then why not just leave well enough alone and let the

auties of the world enjoy their good fortune?>>

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with. As for groups, I try to help people understand their

kids, again for the benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont

want to understand your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

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i wasn't accusing anyone...........i just get tired of the same subject all

the time. Was not out to offend anyone.........hopefully my appology will be

accepted. cheryl s

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I honestly don't know why I am going here, but Kassaine, I have to ask.

Since you clearly believe that autism is something more like a blessing

than a desease or condition, why do you do therapy work with children

within the spectrum and belong to lists like this? If there is nothing

to recover from, then why not just leave well enough alone and let the

auties of the world enjoy their good fortune?>>

I TRY to help people, thats why.

This world isnt set up for auties, which is why I work with spectrum

kids-to help them adapt to the world whil;e still being themselves. Im

not against progress. And autism IS a condition, but that doesnt mean

its a disease or disorder-its a differnt way of being. If I dont work

with these kids, other people will, and quite frankly I dont trust many

other people to treat autistic kiddos with the dignity they deserve to

be treated with. As for groups, I try to help people understand their

kids, again for the benifit of their children. Am I to assume you dont

want to understand your child?

Kassiane (the I goes before the a, thank you.), who found this post

quite rude./

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