Re: Teaching colors questions.

[Guest guest]

Janna, our S.T. was going to start Pecs a little over a month ago,

but after eliminating dairy Sky seemed to take off. Although she

only has about 10 or 11 words she was at 3 or 4. When she was

diagnosed about a month & a half ago they scored her receptive

language lower than her expressive. That has really turned around

since. I would say most of the time now she understands what I'm

saying & is starting to follow through on more commands. We've been

doing sign language since she started S.T. back in Dec. She has 3

signs down that she uses all the time along with saying the word. I

think she would benefit from ABA, but I would have to find someone

who really understood her sensory issues first.

Wendie

> > Penny, that is my biggest reason for holding off on ABA. To quote

> > one of Sky's O.T.'s, " her sensories are a mess! " I'm afraid they

> > won't consider how hard some things are for her because of her

> > sensory issues. Sky hates for someone to hold her hand. The only

> > time she reaches out to hold hands is while playing Ring Around

The

> > Rosey. Just this weekend we were shopping & I told her she had to

> > hold my hand. Of course she tried to jerk away & started to

whine.

> > I kept a firm grip on her hand & I told her I knew this was very

hard

> > for her, but we needed to hold hands so she would stay safe. I'm

not

> > sure if she understood, but she let me keep holding her hand &

> > stopped whining. She still tugged & tried to break free, but at

> > least we avoided a melt down. I noticed a couple looking at me

like

> > I had lost my mind while I was saying these things to Sky, but oh

> > well. I guess I need to get used to that.

>

> Sounds like she understood. That's a great thing - means her

receptive

> language is okay.

>

> If you don't want to do ABA, you might look into PECS or sign as a

> communication method - as it sounds like you already have an OT

dealing with

> sensory issues.

>

> I think communication and sensory problems should be the primary

concern of

> all autism treatment programs. Unfortunately, many ABA providers

don't know

> or don't care to know about either.

>

> -Janna

>

> ABA Therapist, North Vancouver, BC, Canada

> BMus, BAPsych

>

>

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> *****************

> " Home is not a place. It is wherever your passion takes you. " -

President

> Sheridan, Babylon 5 (Objects At Rest, Production #522)

> " Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfall; all of your

waves and

> breakers have swept over me. " - Psalm 42:7

> " Rolling river God, little stones are smooth, only once the water

passes

> through... " - Nichole Nordeman, " river god " (wide eyed, 1998)

> " Nobody else is stronger than I am, today I moved a mountain! I'd

like to

> be your hero, I am a mighty little man! " - Steve Burns, " Mighty

Little Man "

> (Songs For Dustmites, unreleased)

> http://crosswinds.net/~jlhasd

>

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> *****************

[Guest guest]

Penny, that's what we're hoping for! After a week of removing

dairy we saw signs of improvement. I never knew food could play such

an important role. It's just been amazing!

Wendie

> > > > I just came from a conference with a Speech Language

Professor

> > > talking about Communication Options for Persons with ASD.

> > > >

> > > > He spoke of the many approaches that educators and parents

> used.

> > > He wasn't pro or con against anything, and he doesn't have any

> > > children, but what he said about ABA struck me. What he said

was

> > > when parents make demands for 40-50 hours of ABA a week, and

> > > said " when does the child have time to be a child " . Such

> intensive

> > > training takes some of their childhood away, and that smaller

> > > increments would be just as effective. I've never done it at

> home

> > so

> > > I'm not critizing anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Do you parents who do ABA feel like their childs childhood is

> > taken

> > > away? (I mean other than autism)

> > > >

> > > > PECS was cheaper and anyone could do, and signing which of

> course

> > > you had to learn the signs, many times encouraged eventual

> speech.

> > I

> > > recall reading some of you mentioning signing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't know.

> > > > Re: Teaching colors questions.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This is just my opinion,but I am entiteled to it. I know

ABA

> > > works for some

> > > > children but its techniques seem so mean. There doesnt seem

> to

> > be

> > > any

> > > > personal intrest in the fact that the child DOES have

> feelings

> > > and I

> > > > personally wouldnt want someone trying to bribe me with an

> M & M.

> > I

> > > had no

> > > > desire to to ABA with Abby after I read maurice's

> > book,

> > > if anything

> > > > it turned me off of it even more. All the teaching I did

with

> > > Abby was done

> > > > with hugs and kisses, not full of No-No or with M & M's. I

know

> > > that many

> > > > people love ABA and to each their own and thats fine, you

do

> > what

> > > you feel is

> > > > right for your child. But to me it is almost like training

a

> > dog

> > > and my

> > > > daughter is no animal.

> > > >

> > > > Pennie

> > > > Abby's Mom

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Penny, that's what we're hoping for! After a week of removing

dairy we saw signs of improvement. I never knew food could play such

an important role. It's just been amazing!

Wendie

> > > > I just came from a conference with a Speech Language

Professor

> > > talking about Communication Options for Persons with ASD.

> > > >

> > > > He spoke of the many approaches that educators and parents

> used.

> > > He wasn't pro or con against anything, and he doesn't have any

> > > children, but what he said about ABA struck me. What he said

was

> > > when parents make demands for 40-50 hours of ABA a week, and

> > > said " when does the child have time to be a child " . Such

> intensive

> > > training takes some of their childhood away, and that smaller

> > > increments would be just as effective. I've never done it at

> home

> > so

> > > I'm not critizing anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Do you parents who do ABA feel like their childs childhood is

> > taken

> > > away? (I mean other than autism)

> > > >

> > > > PECS was cheaper and anyone could do, and signing which of

> course

> > > you had to learn the signs, many times encouraged eventual

> speech.

> > I

> > > recall reading some of you mentioning signing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't know.

> > > > Re: Teaching colors questions.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This is just my opinion,but I am entiteled to it. I know

ABA

> > > works for some

> > > > children but its techniques seem so mean. There doesnt seem

> to

> > be

> > > any

> > > > personal intrest in the fact that the child DOES have

> feelings

> > > and I

> > > > personally wouldnt want someone trying to bribe me with an

> M & M.

> > I

> > > had no

> > > > desire to to ABA with Abby after I read maurice's

> > book,

> > > if anything

> > > > it turned me off of it even more. All the teaching I did

with

> > > Abby was done

> > > > with hugs and kisses, not full of No-No or with M & M's. I

know

> > > that many

> > > > people love ABA and to each their own and thats fine, you

do

> > what

> > > you feel is

> > > > right for your child. But to me it is almost like training

a

> > dog

> > > and my

> > > > daughter is no animal.

> > > >

> > > > Pennie

> > > > Abby's Mom

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Penny, that's what we're hoping for! After a week of removing

dairy we saw signs of improvement. I never knew food could play such

an important role. It's just been amazing!

Wendie

> > > > I just came from a conference with a Speech Language

Professor

> > > talking about Communication Options for Persons with ASD.

> > > >

> > > > He spoke of the many approaches that educators and parents

> used.

> > > He wasn't pro or con against anything, and he doesn't have any

> > > children, but what he said about ABA struck me. What he said

was

> > > when parents make demands for 40-50 hours of ABA a week, and

> > > said " when does the child have time to be a child " . Such

> intensive

> > > training takes some of their childhood away, and that smaller

> > > increments would be just as effective. I've never done it at

> home

> > so

> > > I'm not critizing anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Do you parents who do ABA feel like their childs childhood is

> > taken

> > > away? (I mean other than autism)

> > > >

> > > > PECS was cheaper and anyone could do, and signing which of

> course

> > > you had to learn the signs, many times encouraged eventual

> speech.

> > I

> > > recall reading some of you mentioning signing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't know.

> > > > Re: Teaching colors questions.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This is just my opinion,but I am entiteled to it. I know

ABA

> > > works for some

> > > > children but its techniques seem so mean. There doesnt seem

> to

> > be

> > > any

> > > > personal intrest in the fact that the child DOES have

> feelings

> > > and I

> > > > personally wouldnt want someone trying to bribe me with an

> M & M.

> > I

> > > had no

> > > > desire to to ABA with Abby after I read maurice's

> > book,

> > > if anything

> > > > it turned me off of it even more. All the teaching I did

with

> > > Abby was done

> > > > with hugs and kisses, not full of No-No or with M & M's. I

know

> > > that many

> > > > people love ABA and to each their own and thats fine, you

do

> > what

> > > you feel is

> > > > right for your child. But to me it is almost like training

a

> > dog

> > > and my

> > > > daughter is no animal.

> > > >

> > > > Pennie

> > > > Abby's Mom

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> Janna, our S.T. was going to start Pecs a little over a month ago,

> but after eliminating dairy Sky seemed to take off. Although she

> only has about 10 or 11 words she was at 3 or 4. When she was

> diagnosed about a month & a half ago they scored her receptive

> language lower than her expressive. That has really turned around

> since. I would say most of the time now she understands what I'm

> saying & is starting to follow through on more commands. We've been

> doing sign language since she started S.T. back in Dec. She has 3

> signs down that she uses all the time along with saying the word. I

> think she would benefit from ABA, but I would have to find someone

> who really understood her sensory issues first.

If she's got some speech, you should look into AVB instead of the

traditional ABA. Where do you live? I may actually be able to offer some

suggestions of consultants in your area - you never know.

-Janna

ABA Therapist, North Vancouver, BC, Canada

BMus, BAPsych

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*****************

" Home is not a place. It is wherever your passion takes you. " - President

Sheridan, Babylon 5 (Objects At Rest, Production #522)

" Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfall; all of your waves and

breakers have swept over me. " - Psalm 42:7

" Rolling river God, little stones are smooth, only once the water passes

through... " - Nichole Nordeman, " river god " (wide eyed, 1998)

" Nobody else is stronger than I am, today I moved a mountain! I'd like to

be your hero, I am a mighty little man! " - Steve Burns, " Mighty Little Man "

(Songs For Dustmites, unreleased)

http://crosswinds.net/~jlhasd

****************************************************************************

*****************

[Guest guest]

> Janna, our S.T. was going to start Pecs a little over a month ago,

> but after eliminating dairy Sky seemed to take off. Although she

> only has about 10 or 11 words she was at 3 or 4. When she was

> diagnosed about a month & a half ago they scored her receptive

> language lower than her expressive. That has really turned around

> since. I would say most of the time now she understands what I'm

> saying & is starting to follow through on more commands. We've been

> doing sign language since she started S.T. back in Dec. She has 3

> signs down that she uses all the time along with saying the word. I

> think she would benefit from ABA, but I would have to find someone

> who really understood her sensory issues first.

If she's got some speech, you should look into AVB instead of the

traditional ABA. Where do you live? I may actually be able to offer some

suggestions of consultants in your area - you never know.

-Janna

ABA Therapist, North Vancouver, BC, Canada

BMus, BAPsych

****************************************************************************

*****************

" Home is not a place. It is wherever your passion takes you. " - President

Sheridan, Babylon 5 (Objects At Rest, Production #522)

" Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfall; all of your waves and

breakers have swept over me. " - Psalm 42:7

" Rolling river God, little stones are smooth, only once the water passes

through... " - Nichole Nordeman, " river god " (wide eyed, 1998)

" Nobody else is stronger than I am, today I moved a mountain! I'd like to

be your hero, I am a mighty little man! " - Steve Burns, " Mighty Little Man "

(Songs For Dustmites, unreleased)

http://crosswinds.net/~jlhasd

****************************************************************************

*****************

[Guest guest]

> Janna, our S.T. was going to start Pecs a little over a month ago,

> but after eliminating dairy Sky seemed to take off. Although she

> only has about 10 or 11 words she was at 3 or 4. When she was

> diagnosed about a month & a half ago they scored her receptive

> language lower than her expressive. That has really turned around

> since. I would say most of the time now she understands what I'm

> saying & is starting to follow through on more commands. We've been

> doing sign language since she started S.T. back in Dec. She has 3

> signs down that she uses all the time along with saying the word. I

> think she would benefit from ABA, but I would have to find someone

> who really understood her sensory issues first.

If she's got some speech, you should look into AVB instead of the

traditional ABA. Where do you live? I may actually be able to offer some

suggestions of consultants in your area - you never know.

-Janna

ABA Therapist, North Vancouver, BC, Canada

BMus, BAPsych

****************************************************************************

*****************

" Home is not a place. It is wherever your passion takes you. " - President

Sheridan, Babylon 5 (Objects At Rest, Production #522)

" Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfall; all of your waves and

breakers have swept over me. " - Psalm 42:7

" Rolling river God, little stones are smooth, only once the water passes

through... " - Nichole Nordeman, " river god " (wide eyed, 1998)

" Nobody else is stronger than I am, today I moved a mountain! I'd like to

be your hero, I am a mighty little man! " - Steve Burns, " Mighty Little Man "

(Songs For Dustmites, unreleased)

http://crosswinds.net/~jlhasd

****************************************************************************

*****************

[Guest guest]

Well said Penny-I posted my response before seeing yours. Exactly how our

program works, BUT, we have incorporated sensory needs as part of Eva's program,

so lots of time to get proprioceptive movement in, etc. Out therapist

regularly come with us to our private OT and ST sessions and we go from there

and incorporate those goals into Eva's program. Maybe you can too?

P

Re: Teaching colors questions.

>

>

> This is just my opinion,but I am entiteled to it. I know ABA

works for some

> children but its techniques seem so mean. There doesnt seem to be

any

> personal intrest in the fact that the child DOES have feelings

and I

> personally wouldnt want someone trying to bribe me with an M & M. I

had no

> desire to to ABA with Abby after I read maurice's book,

if anything

> it turned me off of it even more. All the teaching I did with

Abby was done

> with hugs and kisses, not full of No-No or with M & M's. I know

that many

> people love ABA and to each their own and thats fine, you do what

you feel is

> right for your child. But to me it is almost like training a dog

and my

> daughter is no animal.

>

> Pennie

> Abby's Mom

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well said Penny-I posted my response before seeing yours. Exactly how our

program works, BUT, we have incorporated sensory needs as part of Eva's program,

so lots of time to get proprioceptive movement in, etc. Out therapist

regularly come with us to our private OT and ST sessions and we go from there

and incorporate those goals into Eva's program. Maybe you can too?

P

Re: Teaching colors questions.

>

>

> This is just my opinion,but I am entiteled to it. I know ABA

works for some

> children but its techniques seem so mean. There doesnt seem to be

any

> personal intrest in the fact that the child DOES have feelings

and I

> personally wouldnt want someone trying to bribe me with an M & M. I

had no

> desire to to ABA with Abby after I read maurice's book,

if anything

> it turned me off of it even more. All the teaching I did with

Abby was done

> with hugs and kisses, not full of No-No or with M & M's. I know

that many

> people love ABA and to each their own and thats fine, you do what

you feel is

> right for your child. But to me it is almost like training a dog

and my

> daughter is no animal.

>

> Pennie

> Abby's Mom

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well said Penny-I posted my response before seeing yours. Exactly how our

program works, BUT, we have incorporated sensory needs as part of Eva's program,

so lots of time to get proprioceptive movement in, etc. Out therapist

regularly come with us to our private OT and ST sessions and we go from there

and incorporate those goals into Eva's program. Maybe you can too?

P

Re: Teaching colors questions.

>

>

> This is just my opinion,but I am entiteled to it. I know ABA

works for some

> children but its techniques seem so mean. There doesnt seem to be

any

> personal intrest in the fact that the child DOES have feelings

and I

> personally wouldnt want someone trying to bribe me with an M & M. I

had no

> desire to to ABA with Abby after I read maurice's book,

if anything

> it turned me off of it even more. All the teaching I did with

Abby was done

> with hugs and kisses, not full of No-No or with M & M's. I know

that many

> people love ABA and to each their own and thats fine, you do what

you feel is

> right for your child. But to me it is almost like training a dog

and my

> daughter is no animal.

>

> Pennie

> Abby's Mom

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Now my daughter is almost 9........the one thing that makes her realise

that we are serious when we want her to do something is " do you want to go

on holidays?? " and straight away, she understands that hey i better do what

mum and dad want!! hahah.

Now lets not forget these types of groups are for people to express their

opinions, and if we don;t agree, well so be it......there are many of the

emails on here, i just keep deleting..find it is the best method for me!!

Cheryl S

-- Re: Teaching colors questions.

*WE* are an ABA family. I am SICK AND TIRED of people ragging on ABA

because there are BAD ABA professionals out there treating children

like slaves or animals.

Pennie, we use a LOT of hugs and kisses for rewards.

People who see a video of a session or who come to watch a session

are amazed that ABA looks nothing like what people make it out to

be. Its got to be FUN for the children or it loses effectiveness.

Sometimes, though, when we're teaching something brand new that

Alyssa doesn't get, Mc's french fries are the thing that tell

her " This is the response we're looking for " .

We did 30-35 hours a week last summer of ABA, and my NT kids were

JEALOUS because Alyssa had all these FUN GROWNUPS coming to PLAY with

HER all the time and they NEVER had anyone come to play with THEM!

Once you teach a child to sit, be quiet/listen, and attend, you get

them out of the chair and begin to move toward more natural

settings. Anyone who has a child in a chair at a table for hours and

hours a day and week is creating a ROBOT.

My biggest criticism in the wonderful ABA professional that I know

is that they are not sensitive enough to the sensory issues of the

child. Kassiane is experiencing something that a lot of us see...the

behaviorist says a behavior is behavioral, not sensory, and they work

to shape or extinguish the behavior that the child needs to feed the

senses. We still struggle with that.

Just my 2 cents...

PennY

> I just came from a conference with a Speech Language Professor

talking about Communication Options for Persons with ASD.

>

> He spoke of the many approaches that educators and parents used.

He wasn't pro or con against anything, and he doesn't have any

children, but what he said about ABA struck me. What he said was

when parents make demands for 40-50 hours of ABA a week, and

said " when does the child have time to be a child " . Such intensive

training takes some of their childhood away, and that smaller

increments would be just as effective. I've never done it at home so

I'm not critizing anyone.

>

> Do you parents who do ABA feel like their childs childhood is taken

away? (I mean other than autism)

>

> PECS was cheaper and anyone could do, and signing which of course

you had to learn the signs, many times encouraged eventual speech. I

recall reading some of you mentioning signing.

>

>

>

> I don't know.

> Re: Teaching colors questions.

>

>

> This is just my opinion,but I am entiteled to it. I know ABA

works for some

> children but its techniques seem so mean. There doesnt seem to be

any

> personal intrest in the fact that the child DOES have feelings

and I

> personally wouldnt want someone trying to bribe me with an M & M. I

had no

> desire to to ABA with Abby after I read maurice's book,

if anything

> it turned me off of it even more. All the teaching I did with

Abby was done

> with hugs and kisses, not full of No-No or with M & M's. I know

that many

> people love ABA and to each their own and thats fine, you do what

you feel is

> right for your child. But to me it is almost like training a dog

and my

> daughter is no animal.

>

> Pennie

> Abby's Mom

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Now my daughter is almost 9........the one thing that makes her realise

that we are serious when we want her to do something is " do you want to go

on holidays?? " and straight away, she understands that hey i better do what

mum and dad want!! hahah.

Now lets not forget these types of groups are for people to express their

opinions, and if we don;t agree, well so be it......there are many of the

emails on here, i just keep deleting..find it is the best method for me!!

Cheryl S

-- Re: Teaching colors questions.

*WE* are an ABA family. I am SICK AND TIRED of people ragging on ABA

because there are BAD ABA professionals out there treating children

like slaves or animals.

Pennie, we use a LOT of hugs and kisses for rewards.

People who see a video of a session or who come to watch a session

are amazed that ABA looks nothing like what people make it out to

be. Its got to be FUN for the children or it loses effectiveness.

Sometimes, though, when we're teaching something brand new that

Alyssa doesn't get, Mc's french fries are the thing that tell

her " This is the response we're looking for " .

We did 30-35 hours a week last summer of ABA, and my NT kids were

JEALOUS because Alyssa had all these FUN GROWNUPS coming to PLAY with

HER all the time and they NEVER had anyone come to play with THEM!

Once you teach a child to sit, be quiet/listen, and attend, you get

them out of the chair and begin to move toward more natural

settings. Anyone who has a child in a chair at a table for hours and

hours a day and week is creating a ROBOT.

My biggest criticism in the wonderful ABA professional that I know

is that they are not sensitive enough to the sensory issues of the

child. Kassiane is experiencing something that a lot of us see...the

behaviorist says a behavior is behavioral, not sensory, and they work

to shape or extinguish the behavior that the child needs to feed the

senses. We still struggle with that.

Just my 2 cents...

PennY

> I just came from a conference with a Speech Language Professor

talking about Communication Options for Persons with ASD.

>

> He spoke of the many approaches that educators and parents used.

He wasn't pro or con against anything, and he doesn't have any

children, but what he said about ABA struck me. What he said was

when parents make demands for 40-50 hours of ABA a week, and

said " when does the child have time to be a child " . Such intensive

training takes some of their childhood away, and that smaller

increments would be just as effective. I've never done it at home so

I'm not critizing anyone.

>

> Do you parents who do ABA feel like their childs childhood is taken

away? (I mean other than autism)

>

> PECS was cheaper and anyone could do, and signing which of course

you had to learn the signs, many times encouraged eventual speech. I

recall reading some of you mentioning signing.

>

>

>

> I don't know.

> Re: Teaching colors questions.

>

>

> This is just my opinion,but I am entiteled to it. I know ABA

works for some

> children but its techniques seem so mean. There doesnt seem to be

any

> personal intrest in the fact that the child DOES have feelings

and I

> personally wouldnt want someone trying to bribe me with an M & M. I

had no

> desire to to ABA with Abby after I read maurice's book,

if anything

> it turned me off of it even more. All the teaching I did with

Abby was done

> with hugs and kisses, not full of No-No or with M & M's. I know

that many

> people love ABA and to each their own and thats fine, you do what

you feel is

> right for your child. But to me it is almost like training a dog

and my

> daughter is no animal.

>

> Pennie

> Abby's Mom

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Janna, we live in Virginia near D.C. I wish I did live in your neck

of the woods!! My husband & I went on vacation to when I

was about 6 weeks pregnant & we both fell in love with the whole area.

Wendie

> > Janna, our S.T. was going to start Pecs a little over a month ago,

> > but after eliminating dairy Sky seemed to take off. Although she

> > only has about 10 or 11 words she was at 3 or 4. When she was

> > diagnosed about a month & a half ago they scored her receptive

> > language lower than her expressive. That has really turned around

> > since. I would say most of the time now she understands what I'm

> > saying & is starting to follow through on more commands. We've

been

> > doing sign language since she started S.T. back in Dec. She has 3

> > signs down that she uses all the time along with saying the

word. I

> > think she would benefit from ABA, but I would have to find someone

> > who really understood her sensory issues first.

>

> If she's got some speech, you should look into AVB instead of the

> traditional ABA. Where do you live? I may actually be able to

offer some

> suggestions of consultants in your area - you never know.

>

> -Janna

>

> ABA Therapist, North Vancouver, BC, Canada

> BMus, BAPsych

>

>

**********************************************************************

******

> *****************

> " Home is not a place. It is wherever your passion takes you. " -

President

> Sheridan, Babylon 5 (Objects At Rest, Production #522)

> " Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfall; all of your

waves and

> breakers have swept over me. " - Psalm 42:7

> " Rolling river God, little stones are smooth, only once the water

passes

> through... " - Nichole Nordeman, " river god " (wide eyed, 1998)

> " Nobody else is stronger than I am, today I moved a mountain! I'd

like to

> be your hero, I am a mighty little man! " - Steve Burns, " Mighty

Little Man "

> (Songs For Dustmites, unreleased)

> http://crosswinds.net/~jlhasd

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