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I would do a stool test through one of the autism labs to see what they can find, as local labs have never been helpful here. doing an AA at the same time will also give you a fuller picture

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Need hope ..Thanks guys here is Hailey's history> > > Hailey is 5.7 years She was diagnosed ASD at 3 yrs, was on GF/CF soy > and additive free at 3.5 years ,she's been on SNT, DMG, enzymes , CLO > and EFA's, multi minerals, and probiotics for about 2 years. She > started coQ10 and taurine methylb12 6 months ago valtrex and diflucan > around 4 months ago we eliminated her positive allergy foods, we > rotate her diet as well as probiotics and enzymes, we cleaned up the > house to all natural things, ie water purifiers ,lead > tested ...everything all that we could.. we have changed to SCD and I > am thinking of trying the healing yoghurt but I am nervous to introduce > milk...Thanks for listening> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 6:43 PM>No virus found in this incoming message.

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oh and with a history of RSV I wouldn't do milk or yougurt in SCD as it may trigger asthma type issues all over again. who was the EFA through?

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Need hope ..Thanks guys here is Hailey's history> > > Hailey is 5.7 years She was diagnosed ASD at 3 yrs, was on GF/CF soy > and additive free at 3.5 years ,she's been on SNT, DMG, enzymes , CLO > and EFA's, multi minerals, and probiotics for about 2 years. She > started coQ10 and taurine methylb12 6 months ago valtrex and diflucan > around 4 months ago we eliminated her positive allergy foods, we > rotate her diet as well as probiotics and enzymes, we cleaned up the > house to all natural things, ie water purifiers ,lead > tested ...everything all that we could.. we have changed to SCD and I > am thinking of trying the healing yoghurt but I am nervous to introduce > milk...Thanks for listening> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 6:43 PM>No virus found in this incoming message.

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Thank you, thank you for saying the no diet part. That gives me so much hope. I have an extremely stubborn 17-year-old aspie who refuses when I try to alter her diet (she feels like she has co-operated enough). I have been scared that without restricting diet, that all of my efforts are for nothing. I do get away with a few really subtle changes, but that's it I may try some of the other supplements you listed, but I'm getting ready to have her tested for metals, so I don't want to add anything else in at this time. Thanks for the hope!!! Ladyshrink111@... wrote: No diet. For the first 7-8 months where we saw most of our improvements, just chelation and supplements, multi, cal/mag, clo, C, B vitamins, TMG (this yielded huge improvements). Also, phosphatidylcholine was helpful. Lots of probiotics, Three/FiveLac. After the first year, we used Transfer Factor Plus (helpful, particularly for social issues) solid for 4 months, then pulsed a couple of days a month for another 4 months. We tried Valtrex but she complained it made her stomach hurt and she couldn't eat while on it. Acetyl-l-carnitine was added and was mildly helpful for attention. We tried, OLE, berberine, Echinacea, Goldenseal all of which did very little to nothing that we could see. We used Virastop for about 9 weeks, worked up to 9 capsules a day. Virastop did something while she was on it, but the improvements in attention and maturity faded when it was withdrawn. We used Proboost Thymic Protein A off and on and we used Elderberry extract, again off and on. We got some odd chicken pox looking lesions, just 10 of them on her shoulderblade with the Elderberry extract, but honestly never saw any behavioral improvements from this, but it was late when she was fairly well recovered. That is all I can think of, will post anything else if it comes to mind. Why? Re: Need hope ..Thanks guys here is Hailey's history :Did you do any other treatments or supplements or diet besides what you listed here?Heidi

N>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ambitionn01@... > :> > Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us everything you did and what supplements/diet you use to maintain. I post my story all the time.> > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one year. Td-dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not needed for maintainance, used for health.> > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu

season, 2 caps per day.> > > > >

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:Did you do any other treatments or supplements or diet besides what you listed here?Heidi N>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ambitionn01@... > :> > Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us everything you did and what supplements/diet you use to maintain. I post my story all the time.> > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one year. Td-dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not needed for maintainance, used for health.> > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu season, 2 caps per day.> > > > >

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Bless your heart, that's awesome. I can't wait to start chelating, I just have to rule out copper :)Ladyshrink111@... wrote: Re: Need hope ..Thanks guys here is Hailey's history :Did you do any other treatments or supplements or diet besides what you listed here?Heidi N>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ambitionn01@... > :> > Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us everything you did and what supplements/diet you use to maintain. I post my story all the time.> > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one year. Td-dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not needed for maintainance, used for health.> > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu season, 2 caps per day.> > > > >

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When I first joined the group, posted this and I copy/pasted it into a Word document for future reference. , I hope you don't mind if I reposted it There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...To make it easier, here is a quick summary of

how it works and where to find help. You should not use this information alone for chelating, but rather just to become familiar with the process. Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" and "Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more information. Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in. Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators... DMSA, DMPS and ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators). Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally. Don't use IV chelation. Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelate once they are safely removed. Don't chelate when sick. Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmed and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at all times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the redistribution of metals. DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only. DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved. ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelator proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone for this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA. Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper. If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc and molybdenum to normalize the copper levels. (More info in his book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group seem to be!) If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, and every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night to do the

dose. Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 pound child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would mean about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, so most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mg for practicality' s sake. (We dose ALA and DMSA

as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am, 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.) If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is any more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose. Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills, such as pineapple juice. (We have found

that our child tolerates it better this way even though she can swallow pills.) Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 rounds or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds, then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round 60-80. Bad side

effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would include vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme. Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not a reason not to chelate. You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most of us find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it

makes you and your child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but not necessary. Use a good antifungal and probiotics. Supplement both "on" and "off" a round. Common supplements are: Vitamin C Zinc Calcium Magnesium Molybdenum Manganese Mineral NO COPPER Multivitamin Flaxseed Oil Probiotics CoEnzyme Q10 Nystatin B12 Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione, stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick. Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and

so forth. Research for yourself to see what you agree with and why. tommysmommy67 wrote: Come someone please share the Cutler low/frequent chelation protocol?Thanks.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ambitionn01@ > > > > > :> > > > >

> Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us > > everything you did and what supplements/diet you use to maintain. I > > post my story all the time.> > > > > > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started > > low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one year. > Td-> > dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > > > > > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical > > classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use > > Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not > > needed for maintainance, used for health.> > > > > > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu season, 2 caps > per > > day.> > > > > > > > >

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When I first joined the group, posted this and I copy/pasted it into a Word document for future reference. , I hope you don't mind if I reposted it There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...To make it easier, here is a quick summary of

how it works and where to find help. You should not use this information alone for chelating, but rather just to become familiar with the process. Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" and "Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more information. Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in. Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators... DMSA, DMPS and ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators). Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally. Don't use IV chelation. Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelate once they are safely removed. Don't chelate when sick. Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmed and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at all times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the redistribution of metals. DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only. DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved. ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelator proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone for this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA. Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper. If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc and molybdenum to normalize the copper levels. (More info in his book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group seem to be!) If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, and every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night to do the

dose. Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 pound child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would mean about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, so most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mg for practicality' s sake. (We dose ALA and DMSA

as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am, 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.) If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is any more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose. Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills, such as pineapple juice. (We have found

that our child tolerates it better this way even though she can swallow pills.) Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 rounds or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds, then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round 60-80. Bad side

effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would include vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme. Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not a reason not to chelate. You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most of us find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it

makes you and your child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but not necessary. Use a good antifungal and probiotics. Supplement both "on" and "off" a round. Common supplements are: Vitamin C Zinc Calcium Magnesium Molybdenum Manganese Mineral NO COPPER Multivitamin Flaxseed Oil Probiotics CoEnzyme Q10 Nystatin B12 Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione, stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick. Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and

so forth. Research for yourself to see what you agree with and why. tommysmommy67 wrote: Come someone please share the Cutler low/frequent chelation protocol?Thanks.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ambitionn01@ > > > > > :> > > > >

> Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us > > everything you did and what supplements/diet you use to maintain. I > > post my story all the time.> > > > > > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started > > low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one year. > Td-> > dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > > > > > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical > > classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use > > Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not > > needed for maintainance, used for health.> > > > > > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu season, 2 caps > per > > day.> > > > > > > > >

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Oops...sorry this is a really important aspect of the Cutler protocol, missed it as it was at the end. Selenium is recommended by Andy Cutler both off and ON round, we always supplemented with 200 mcgs per day, seleniumethionine. He does not recommend you chelate without it. ez wrote: When I first joined the group, posted this and I copy/pasted it into a Word document for future reference. , I hope you don't mind if I reposted it There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...To make it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where to find help. You should not use this information alone for chelating, but rather just to become familiar with the process. Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" and "Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more

information. Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in. Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators... DMSA, DMPS and ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators). Use them in the way they were designed

to be taken...orally. Don't use IV chelation. Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelate once they are safely removed. Don't chelate when sick. Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmed and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at all times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the redistribution of metals. DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only. DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA

approved. ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelator proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone for this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA. Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper. If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc and molybdenum to

normalize the copper levels. (More info in his book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group seem to be!) If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, and every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night to do the dose. Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 pound child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would mean about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, so most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing

in half or 12.5 mg for practicality' s sake. (We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am, 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.) If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is any more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose. Mix the chelators in juice for children who

won't take pills, such as pineapple juice. (We have found that our child tolerates it better this way even though she can swallow pills.) Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 rounds or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds, then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round 60-80. Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would include vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme. Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not a reason not to chelate. You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most of us find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and your child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but not necessary. Use a good antifungal and probiotics. Supplement both "on" and "off" a round. Common supplements are: Vitamin C Zinc Calcium Magnesium Molybdenum Manganese Mineral NO COPPER Multivitamin Flaxseed Oil Probiotics CoEnzyme Q10 Nystatin B12 Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione, stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick. Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth. Research for yourself to see what you agree with and why. tommysmommy67 <missyhandleys (DOT) net> wrote: Come someone please share the Cutler low/frequent chelation protocol?Thanks.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ambitionn01@ > > > > > :> > > > > > Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us > > everything you did and what supplements/diet

you use to maintain. I > > post my story all the time.> > > > > > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started > > low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one year. > Td-> > dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > > > > > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical > > classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use > > Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not > > needed for maintainance, used for health.> > > > > > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu season, 2 caps > per > > day.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>

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Oops...sorry this is a really important aspect of the Cutler protocol, missed it as it was at the end. Selenium is recommended by Andy Cutler both off and ON round, we always supplemented with 200 mcgs per day, seleniumethionine. He does not recommend you chelate without it. ez wrote: When I first joined the group, posted this and I copy/pasted it into a Word document for future reference. , I hope you don't mind if I reposted it There seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...To make it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where to find help. You should not use this information alone for chelating, but rather just to become familiar with the process. Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler's redistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If you haven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining the Autism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" and "Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more

information. Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If any other Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in. Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators... DMSA, DMPS and ALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators). Use them in the way they were designed

to be taken...orally. Don't use IV chelation. Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelate once they are safely removed. Don't chelate when sick. Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmed and so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at all times for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits the redistribution of metals. DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only. DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA

approved. ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelator proven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone for this reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA. Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper. If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc and molybdenum to

normalize the copper levels. (More info in his book. I'm no copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group seem to be!) If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, and every 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night to do the dose. Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 pound child would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would mean about 60 mg a day.) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, so most parents end up opening the capsule and mixing

in half or 12.5 mg for practicality' s sake. (We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am, 10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.) If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is any more than 15 minutes after scheduled dose. Mix the chelators in juice for children who

won't take pills, such as pineapple juice. (We have found that our child tolerates it better this way even though she can swallow pills.) Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 rounds or more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds, then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round 60-80. Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would include vommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme. Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not a reason not to chelate. You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most of us find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and your child very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, but not necessary. Use a good antifungal and probiotics. Supplement both "on" and "off" a round. Common supplements are: Vitamin C Zinc Calcium Magnesium Molybdenum Manganese Mineral NO COPPER Multivitamin Flaxseed Oil Probiotics CoEnzyme Q10 Nystatin B12 Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione, stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, and chelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have also confirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) and recently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andy says supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick. Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly other parents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpful as well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth. Research for yourself to see what you agree with and why. tommysmommy67 <missyhandleys (DOT) net> wrote: Come someone please share the Cutler low/frequent chelation protocol?Thanks.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ambitionn01@ > > > > > :> > > > > > Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us > > everything you did and what supplements/diet

you use to maintain. I > > post my story all the time.> > > > > > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started > > low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one year. > Td-> > dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > > > > > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical > > classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use > > Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not > > needed for maintainance, used for health.> > > > > > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu season, 2 caps > per > > day.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>

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Re: Need hope ..Thanks guys here is Hailey's history> > > :> > Did you do any other treatments or supplements or diet besides what > you listed here?> > Heidi N> > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ambitionn01@ > > > :> > > > Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us > everything you did and what supplements/diet you use to maintain. I > post my story all the time.> > > > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started > low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one year. Td-> dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > > > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical > classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use > Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not > needed for maintainance, used for health.> > > > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu season, 2 caps per > day.> > > > > > > > > >>

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Well, she's just 17 now, and we're still working with her...next step is I'm hoping to chelate. She's takes supplements to control her thyroid and some supplements to help with brain function, things to help with virus/bacteria/yeast. But she does still have bouts of depression, and I do see fresh cuts every once in a while, so I know that we haven't found the magic bullet yet. But just two years ago, before she was diagnosed with asperger's, about the time her depression was starting to manifest itsself, back when I blindly thought the doctors knew everything, my daughter received the HPV series of three shots!!! I could just kick myself now...diatplay wrote: I guess part of the real debate is vaccine injury too bc when we took our osn to the Pfeiffer Treatment Center one of its doctors told me that "we are all affected" and he is very anti-vaccines though...he said "they ay the boys are more affected than the girls, but that is bullshit, between you and me - based on what I have seen the girls are affected differently, that's all - and the hurt reveals itslef later in adolescence or later-it depends on the onset of puberty and the unsuing hormonal changes - not really anything chronological. The assault of those vaccinations on the developing systems - it is like hitting these kids with a bat - and whatever the brainwas doing when the blow lands - bam -that is where the

problems are going to manifest...in boys at the critical time of language development and gross and fine motor dev...in the girls coial and emotional things are getting wired. By the time they start to show their symptoms, very very few make the connection, and nobody can make the case, that this too is linked to vaccinations and the harm they wreak. That's why there is so little success in treating blimia and anorexia with girls - you cannot simply overide waht is really happening in their brains with talk or external therapies....those girls count calories and perseverate on food and things related to ingredients in different foods with the same focused and innapropriate sort of attention to details that you rlittle boy displays for the parts of cars,and spinning wheels and so on. There is a biochemical imbalance that unless addressed they just can't beat their "mental illnesses". The cutters, the girls who

look in mirrors but they just do not see what is really there anymore and they cannot see what you and i see. The depression, the testosterone estrogen isn;t right and their is alot of sexual disfunction...oh it is a mess, trust me." ANd then he said let me save you a lot of money, your kid is PDD-NOS, not autism -the eye contact - and he is not nearly as affected as many...don;t lose sight of the fact that this is injury and illness and it can be treated. Keep an eye on your daughters. Stop giving shots, period." This from a former pediatrician who told me he gave his sons the shots himself and a hard time to parents who would not give them to theirs - those jabs were the financial backbone of his practice and then the appointments to make sure the jabs went okay and then the well visits - but when all is well parents miss those appointments, but most honor the shot schedule it seems. Penance for this man is the

work he does now...I will never forget that conversation, and I do keep an eye on my daughters...did your daughter ewver pull out of her "stuff" or do those issues remain now that she is older - the behaviors and depresion etc - I am not saying she had the more severe problems...Di > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ambitionn01@ > > > > > :> > > > > > Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us > > everything you did and what supplements/diet you use to maintain. > I > > post my story all the time.> > > > > > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started > > low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one > year. Td-> > dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > > > > > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical > >

classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use > > Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not > > needed for maintainance, used for health.> > > > > > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu season, 2 caps > per > > day.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>

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Well, she's just 17 now, and we're still working with her...next step is I'm hoping to chelate. She's takes supplements to control her thyroid and some supplements to help with brain function, things to help with virus/bacteria/yeast. But she does still have bouts of depression, and I do see fresh cuts every once in a while, so I know that we haven't found the magic bullet yet. But just two years ago, before she was diagnosed with asperger's, about the time her depression was starting to manifest itsself, back when I blindly thought the doctors knew everything, my daughter received the HPV series of three shots!!! I could just kick myself now...diatplay wrote: I guess part of the real debate is vaccine injury too bc when we took our osn to the Pfeiffer Treatment Center one of its doctors told me that "we are all affected" and he is very anti-vaccines though...he said "they ay the boys are more affected than the girls, but that is bullshit, between you and me - based on what I have seen the girls are affected differently, that's all - and the hurt reveals itslef later in adolescence or later-it depends on the onset of puberty and the unsuing hormonal changes - not really anything chronological. The assault of those vaccinations on the developing systems - it is like hitting these kids with a bat - and whatever the brainwas doing when the blow lands - bam -that is where the

problems are going to manifest...in boys at the critical time of language development and gross and fine motor dev...in the girls coial and emotional things are getting wired. By the time they start to show their symptoms, very very few make the connection, and nobody can make the case, that this too is linked to vaccinations and the harm they wreak. That's why there is so little success in treating blimia and anorexia with girls - you cannot simply overide waht is really happening in their brains with talk or external therapies....those girls count calories and perseverate on food and things related to ingredients in different foods with the same focused and innapropriate sort of attention to details that you rlittle boy displays for the parts of cars,and spinning wheels and so on. There is a biochemical imbalance that unless addressed they just can't beat their "mental illnesses". The cutters, the girls who

look in mirrors but they just do not see what is really there anymore and they cannot see what you and i see. The depression, the testosterone estrogen isn;t right and their is alot of sexual disfunction...oh it is a mess, trust me." ANd then he said let me save you a lot of money, your kid is PDD-NOS, not autism -the eye contact - and he is not nearly as affected as many...don;t lose sight of the fact that this is injury and illness and it can be treated. Keep an eye on your daughters. Stop giving shots, period." This from a former pediatrician who told me he gave his sons the shots himself and a hard time to parents who would not give them to theirs - those jabs were the financial backbone of his practice and then the appointments to make sure the jabs went okay and then the well visits - but when all is well parents miss those appointments, but most honor the shot schedule it seems. Penance for this man is the

work he does now...I will never forget that conversation, and I do keep an eye on my daughters...did your daughter ewver pull out of her "stuff" or do those issues remain now that she is older - the behaviors and depresion etc - I am not saying she had the more severe problems...Di > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ambitionn01@ > > > > > :> > > > > > Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us > > everything you did and what supplements/diet you use to maintain. > I > > post my story all the time.> > > > > > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started > > low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one > year. Td-> > dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > > > > > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical > >

classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use > > Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not > > needed for maintainance, used for health.> > > > > > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu season, 2 caps > per > > day.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>

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Well, she's just 17 now, and we're still working with her...next step is I'm hoping to chelate. She's takes supplements to control her thyroid and some supplements to help with brain function, things to help with virus/bacteria/yeast. But she does still have bouts of depression, and I do see fresh cuts every once in a while, so I know that we haven't found the magic bullet yet. But just two years ago, before she was diagnosed with asperger's, about the time her depression was starting to manifest itsself, back when I blindly thought the doctors knew everything, my daughter received the HPV series of three shots!!! I could just kick myself now...diatplay wrote: I guess part of the real debate is vaccine injury too bc when we took our osn to the Pfeiffer Treatment Center one of its doctors told me that "we are all affected" and he is very anti-vaccines though...he said "they ay the boys are more affected than the girls, but that is bullshit, between you and me - based on what I have seen the girls are affected differently, that's all - and the hurt reveals itslef later in adolescence or later-it depends on the onset of puberty and the unsuing hormonal changes - not really anything chronological. The assault of those vaccinations on the developing systems - it is like hitting these kids with a bat - and whatever the brainwas doing when the blow lands - bam -that is where the

problems are going to manifest...in boys at the critical time of language development and gross and fine motor dev...in the girls coial and emotional things are getting wired. By the time they start to show their symptoms, very very few make the connection, and nobody can make the case, that this too is linked to vaccinations and the harm they wreak. That's why there is so little success in treating blimia and anorexia with girls - you cannot simply overide waht is really happening in their brains with talk or external therapies....those girls count calories and perseverate on food and things related to ingredients in different foods with the same focused and innapropriate sort of attention to details that you rlittle boy displays for the parts of cars,and spinning wheels and so on. There is a biochemical imbalance that unless addressed they just can't beat their "mental illnesses". The cutters, the girls who

look in mirrors but they just do not see what is really there anymore and they cannot see what you and i see. The depression, the testosterone estrogen isn;t right and their is alot of sexual disfunction...oh it is a mess, trust me." ANd then he said let me save you a lot of money, your kid is PDD-NOS, not autism -the eye contact - and he is not nearly as affected as many...don;t lose sight of the fact that this is injury and illness and it can be treated. Keep an eye on your daughters. Stop giving shots, period." This from a former pediatrician who told me he gave his sons the shots himself and a hard time to parents who would not give them to theirs - those jabs were the financial backbone of his practice and then the appointments to make sure the jabs went okay and then the well visits - but when all is well parents miss those appointments, but most honor the shot schedule it seems. Penance for this man is the

work he does now...I will never forget that conversation, and I do keep an eye on my daughters...did your daughter ewver pull out of her "stuff" or do those issues remain now that she is older - the behaviors and depresion etc - I am not saying she had the more severe problems...Di > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ambitionn01@ > > > > > :> > > > > > Please post your recovery story so we can all learn. Tell us > > everything you did and what supplements/diet you use to maintain. > I > > post my story all the time.> > > > > > ===>As do I. Started out pdd-nos at 3. At 3.11 years started > > low/frequent Cutler protocol chelation with Dmsa/Ala for one > year. Td-> > dmps/oral Ala for 5 months. Oral Ala alone for 7 months.> > > > > > No dx, no learning disabilities, no delays, no diet, typical > >

classroom, social flawless, academic gifted status. We still use > > Nature's Way multivitamin and Nordic Naturals cod liver oil, not > > needed for maintainance, used for health.> > > > > > We add TwinLabs Allergy A & D during cold/flu season, 2 caps > per > > day.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>