Re: thinking style...PICTURES

[Guest guest]

--- Betty Jo Marshall wrote:

> I think the ongoing discussion about ways of

> thinking (NT vs AS, PDD, ADHD, etc.) is completely

> fascinating.

> Betty Jo Marshall

>

>

hi everyone!

yes, the ongoing study of picture vs abstract

thinkings....

i, freestone, can add another twist to this, folks!

not only do i do much of my thinkings in

pictures....the images are linked together by

analogies and associations!

Picture a tree with leaves where each leaf is an image

and the twigs and branches are the associations

between the images.

I wondered for years why my tested IQ of 130 to 140

never " felt right' to me...why could i not THINK...at

least think like i " was suppossed to " !!

I really do not think in that intellectual sense, i

can NOT call myself an intellectual at all.

associative thinkings, is how my brain is wired.

like:

---if i were asked an open ended question like... " tell

me about you career " , i would be utterly at a loss.

where would i start??

i must first have an image in order to begin to use it

associatively. thus maybe i would talk about my high

school chicken farm experience. the picture of chicken

would remind me of when i would eat with my sister a

lot at KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN when i lived with her,

just before she died, where i was a clerk in her

busuness and when she died, i had 625 boxes of hers to

open...months of work. the boxes would in turn remind

me of my library mail clerk job....on and on,

associatively!

i would never be able to tell someone my complete job

history!

nor can i plan it out in advance, this telling. if i

did...later when i was asked...it all would be

different and my notes would be " dead " and not mean a

thing to me!!

here is another example...if i think of a pear, it

MUST mean something else, or i do not remember it at

all...

thus...a pear might mean an apple!

if someone tells me their name, in an introduction, if

i do not stop the conversation right then and there

for twenty minutes and make a huge thing about this

name...it is gone in .00006 seconds, like wind going

through a screen door! there are people who i have

known for years and i have not a clue of what their

name is!! they have told me a hundred

times....but...REALLY...what does " john smith " look

like?! there is not a single picture with that sound;

just WHAT is the picture for this name.

computers....why i like them...a good example

here...IF you put that new program into your computer

and you do not attribute the file path for it...it is

gone and lost! might as well not have been installed!

when the error messege comes up... " file path not

found " ...oh it is there on your hard drive, but it

might as well be on a hard drive on someone's computer

in INDIA!!

names do NOT install or attribute as there is not

image

with a name, so i have to L-B-O-I-O-U-S-L-Y make up an

associational file path...for that name.

thus, for me....there really is " not tomorrow " ...or

even the next ten minutes!! i gotta have a preset

plan ahead of time or else my immediate future is like

that drop of OIL put onto lake Ontario...the drop

spreads out over a ten thousand square mile lake: no

boundry!!

thus i have routines for everything in SPITE of what

my new age friends would like to have me be like!!

not to have a habit or routine for everything is

EXACTLY like cooking a pot of tomato soup, on the

stove without a pot: just pour that soup over the

burner and turn it on!! who needs a pot anyway, the

new ager might say... " why that cooking pot or pan is

just rigid

structure of old habit patterns that should be thrown

out " !!

there...i could have done better at this explaination

of associative thinkings of mine...but i can not think

of anything more to say...which is a definition in and

of itself of this condition!!

freestone

=====

seen on a bridge overpass, in Rochester, ny 1970

.... " AND THE TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH " !

Freestone

freestonew@...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

--- Betty Jo Marshall wrote:

> I think the ongoing discussion about ways of

> thinking (NT vs AS, PDD, ADHD, etc.) is completely

> fascinating.

> Betty Jo Marshall

>

>

hi everyone!

yes, the ongoing study of picture vs abstract

thinkings....

i, freestone, can add another twist to this, folks!

not only do i do much of my thinkings in

pictures....the images are linked together by

analogies and associations!

Picture a tree with leaves where each leaf is an image

and the twigs and branches are the associations

between the images.

I wondered for years why my tested IQ of 130 to 140

never " felt right' to me...why could i not THINK...at

least think like i " was suppossed to " !!

I really do not think in that intellectual sense, i

can NOT call myself an intellectual at all.

associative thinkings, is how my brain is wired.

like:

---if i were asked an open ended question like... " tell

me about you career " , i would be utterly at a loss.

where would i start??

i must first have an image in order to begin to use it

associatively. thus maybe i would talk about my high

school chicken farm experience. the picture of chicken

would remind me of when i would eat with my sister a

lot at KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN when i lived with her,

just before she died, where i was a clerk in her

busuness and when she died, i had 625 boxes of hers to

open...months of work. the boxes would in turn remind

me of my library mail clerk job....on and on,

associatively!

i would never be able to tell someone my complete job

history!

nor can i plan it out in advance, this telling. if i

did...later when i was asked...it all would be

different and my notes would be " dead " and not mean a

thing to me!!

here is another example...if i think of a pear, it

MUST mean something else, or i do not remember it at

all...

thus...a pear might mean an apple!

if someone tells me their name, in an introduction, if

i do not stop the conversation right then and there

for twenty minutes and make a huge thing about this

name...it is gone in .00006 seconds, like wind going

through a screen door! there are people who i have

known for years and i have not a clue of what their

name is!! they have told me a hundred

times....but...REALLY...what does " john smith " look

like?! there is not a single picture with that sound;

just WHAT is the picture for this name.

computers....why i like them...a good example

here...IF you put that new program into your computer

and you do not attribute the file path for it...it is

gone and lost! might as well not have been installed!

when the error messege comes up... " file path not

found " ...oh it is there on your hard drive, but it

might as well be on a hard drive on someone's computer

in INDIA!!

names do NOT install or attribute as there is not

image

with a name, so i have to L-B-O-I-O-U-S-L-Y make up an

associational file path...for that name.

thus, for me....there really is " not tomorrow " ...or

even the next ten minutes!! i gotta have a preset

plan ahead of time or else my immediate future is like

that drop of OIL put onto lake Ontario...the drop

spreads out over a ten thousand square mile lake: no

boundry!!

thus i have routines for everything in SPITE of what

my new age friends would like to have me be like!!

not to have a habit or routine for everything is

EXACTLY like cooking a pot of tomato soup, on the

stove without a pot: just pour that soup over the

burner and turn it on!! who needs a pot anyway, the

new ager might say... " why that cooking pot or pan is

just rigid

structure of old habit patterns that should be thrown

out " !!

there...i could have done better at this explaination

of associative thinkings of mine...but i can not think

of anything more to say...which is a definition in and

of itself of this condition!!

freestone

=====

seen on a bridge overpass, in Rochester, ny 1970

.... " AND THE TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH " !

Freestone

freestonew@...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Freestone, you wrote,

>i must first have an image in order to begin to use it

>associatively. thus maybe i would talk about my high

>school chicken farm experience. the picture of chicken

>would remind me of when i would eat with my sister a

>lot at KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN when i lived with her,

>just before she died, where i was a clerk in her

>busuness and when she died, i had 625 boxes of hers to

>open...months of work. the boxes would in turn remind

>me of my library mail clerk job....on and on,

>associatively!

>i would never be able to tell someone my complete job

>history!

>nor can i plan it out in advance, this telling. if i

>did...later when i was asked...it all would be

>different and my notes would be " dead " and not mean a

>thing to me!!

That reminds me of my ADD side. My mind bouncing around all over the place

like in a pinball machine. Never the same way twice. Thinking in sequence

is a nightmare for me.

>here is another example...if i think of a pear, it

>MUST mean something else, or i do not remember it at

>all...

Do you mean another picture as opposed to a taste or touch memory? If you

do, i can see your problem.

>thus, for me....there really is " not tomorrow " ...or

>even the next ten minutes!! i gotta have a preset

>plan ahead of time or else my immediate future is like

>that drop of OIL put onto lake Ontario...the drop

>spreads out over a ten thousand square mile lake: no

>boundry!!

I'm in the present too. The further into the future i look the more

scrambled the picture becomes. Planning is almost impossible. I rely almost

entirely on routines to get stuff done. If i remember to start. No

boundaries to the number of possible futures. Can't make decisions.

I look at my mind as a giant lily pond and my thought as a frog that jumps

around from lily pad to pad almost randomly.........or by association as

you say.

Ric

[Guest guest]

Hi Freestone, you wrote,

>i must first have an image in order to begin to use it

>associatively. thus maybe i would talk about my high

>school chicken farm experience. the picture of chicken

>would remind me of when i would eat with my sister a

>lot at KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN when i lived with her,

>just before she died, where i was a clerk in her

>busuness and when she died, i had 625 boxes of hers to

>open...months of work. the boxes would in turn remind

>me of my library mail clerk job....on and on,

>associatively!

>i would never be able to tell someone my complete job

>history!

>nor can i plan it out in advance, this telling. if i

>did...later when i was asked...it all would be

>different and my notes would be " dead " and not mean a

>thing to me!!

That reminds me of my ADD side. My mind bouncing around all over the place

like in a pinball machine. Never the same way twice. Thinking in sequence

is a nightmare for me.

>here is another example...if i think of a pear, it

>MUST mean something else, or i do not remember it at

>all...

Do you mean another picture as opposed to a taste or touch memory? If you

do, i can see your problem.

>thus, for me....there really is " not tomorrow " ...or

>even the next ten minutes!! i gotta have a preset

>plan ahead of time or else my immediate future is like

>that drop of OIL put onto lake Ontario...the drop

>spreads out over a ten thousand square mile lake: no

>boundry!!

I'm in the present too. The further into the future i look the more

scrambled the picture becomes. Planning is almost impossible. I rely almost

entirely on routines to get stuff done. If i remember to start. No

boundaries to the number of possible futures. Can't make decisions.

I look at my mind as a giant lily pond and my thought as a frog that jumps

around from lily pad to pad almost randomly.........or by association as

you say.

Ric

[Guest guest]

Hi Freestone, you wrote,

>i must first have an image in order to begin to use it

>associatively. thus maybe i would talk about my high

>school chicken farm experience. the picture of chicken

>would remind me of when i would eat with my sister a

>lot at KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN when i lived with her,

>just before she died, where i was a clerk in her

>busuness and when she died, i had 625 boxes of hers to

>open...months of work. the boxes would in turn remind

>me of my library mail clerk job....on and on,

>associatively!

>i would never be able to tell someone my complete job

>history!

>nor can i plan it out in advance, this telling. if i

>did...later when i was asked...it all would be

>different and my notes would be " dead " and not mean a

>thing to me!!

That reminds me of my ADD side. My mind bouncing around all over the place

like in a pinball machine. Never the same way twice. Thinking in sequence

is a nightmare for me.

>here is another example...if i think of a pear, it

>MUST mean something else, or i do not remember it at

>all...

Do you mean another picture as opposed to a taste or touch memory? If you

do, i can see your problem.

>thus, for me....there really is " not tomorrow " ...or

>even the next ten minutes!! i gotta have a preset

>plan ahead of time or else my immediate future is like

>that drop of OIL put onto lake Ontario...the drop

>spreads out over a ten thousand square mile lake: no

>boundry!!

I'm in the present too. The further into the future i look the more

scrambled the picture becomes. Planning is almost impossible. I rely almost

entirely on routines to get stuff done. If i remember to start. No

boundaries to the number of possible futures. Can't make decisions.

I look at my mind as a giant lily pond and my thought as a frog that jumps

around from lily pad to pad almost randomly.........or by association as

you say.

Ric

[Guest guest]

Re: thinking style...PICTURES

>>>>>>>>>>---if i were asked an open ended question like... " tell me

>about you career " , i would be utterly at a loss.

>where would i start??

>i must first have an image in order to begin to use it

>associatively. thus maybe i would talk about my high school chicken

>farm experience. the picture of chicken would remind me of when i

>would eat with my sister a lot at KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN when i

>lived with her, just before she died, where i was a clerk in her

>busuness and when she died, i had 625 boxes of hers to open...months

>of work. the boxes would in turn remind me of my library mail clerk

>job....on and on, associatively!

>i would never be able to tell someone my complete job history!

Amazing you are Freestone!! for you just described ME ))

And it is exhausting because there is never an end with me responding

an open ended question. An open end is what they GET!! )

Thankful I am with this internetting posting for while writing, I

have to focus again and again on what I really want to say, or answer

to what someone is asking and not just go on and on and on.... and

have to read it again and again...

Sometimes it frustrates me...

But when I am in a smiling mood I just say I suffer CCS (chaotic

chatter syndrome) ))

And I certainly know what you are talking about hereunder. I

recognize it although I might be not quite the same here. Well, of

course NO ))

We are all unique!!!

This really makes me smile you know!!

I secretly always thought I was uhm..... somewhat crazy. )

Trish

>nor can i plan it out in advance, this telling. if i

>did...later when i was asked...it all would be

>different and my notes would be " dead " and not mean a

>thing to me!!

>here is another example...if i think of a pear, it

>MUST mean something else, or i do not remember it at

>all...

>thus...a pear might mean an apple!

>if someone tells me their name, in an introduction, if

>i do not stop the conversation right then and there

>for twenty minutes and make a huge thing about this

>name...it is gone in .00006 seconds, like wind going

>through a screen door! there are people who i have

>known for years and i have not a clue of what their

>name is!! they have told me a hundred

>times....but...REALLY...what does " john smith " look

>like?! there is not a single picture with that sound;

>just WHAT is the picture for this name.

>computers....why i like them...a good example

>here...IF you put that new program into your computer

>and you do not attribute the file path for it...it is

>gone and lost! might as well not have been installed!

>when the error messege comes up... " file path not

>found " ...oh it is there on your hard drive, but it

>might as well be on a hard drive on someone's computer

>in INDIA!!

>names do NOT install or attribute as there is not

>image

>with a name, so i have to L-B-O-I-O-U-S-L-Y make up an

>associational file path...for that name.

>

>thus, for me....there really is " not tomorrow " ...or

>even the next ten minutes!! i gotta have a preset

>plan ahead of time or else my immediate future is like

>that drop of OIL put onto lake Ontario...the drop

>spreads out over a ten thousand square mile lake: no

>boundry!!

>thus i have routines for everything in SPITE of what

>my new age friends would like to have me be like!!

>not to have a habit or routine for everything is

>EXACTLY like cooking a pot of tomato soup, on the

>stove without a pot: just pour that soup over the

>burner and turn it on!! who needs a pot anyway, the

>new ager might say... " why that cooking pot or pan is

>just rigid

>structure of old habit patterns that should be thrown

>out " !!

>there...i could have done better at this explaination

>of associative thinkings of mine...but i can not think

>of anything more to say...which is a definition in and

>of itself of this condition!!

>

>freestone

[Guest guest]

--- trish@... wrote:

>

> -

>

> Amazing you are Freestone!! for you just described

> ME ))

> And it is exhausting because there is never an end

> with me responding

> an open ended question. An open end is what they

> GET!!

>

> Trish

hey trish!!

i thank you for that bit of sarcasim!!

what a wonderfull way to reply to someone who asks

that!!

i get those type of questions all of the time.

" what did you do on your trip " !

" what do ya think of tallahassee city " ?

..........

there is a bit of serious stuff here, trish and folks!

for.....

i think that most people are actually able to

think out some set up answer to these questions...then

it is in their brain file. then it never changes,

thus if i ask someone about their trip to Canada, they

would reply some pre-set-up answer that they arrived

at, long ago, right after their trip was over. they

have stopped thinking about that trip and it is a dead

file

but now that trip is DEAD to them!! it is not a

living part of their lives, NOW! dead wood at the

heart of a tree.

you hear it in a person's tone of voice when they give

a quick snap answer to a open ended question, there

was not a bit of thinking or Soul involved at all; it

was just a knee-jerk response, a " program.exe " that

was called up real quick and no counsciousness was

involved!

worse......oh woe and lament....someone could do this

for their whole life!

make some final Decision that decides all future

descions!! like: join the way of the

Fundamentalists...or some pre-set philosophy.

dead wood, they are....

so i am forced to rethink out anything everytime as if

it is brand new fresh!

if someone were to ask of me my life philosophy and i

managed to actually tell them, after rummaging around

my files...why if someone else were to ask me later

about ten minutes later, why i would have to do it all

over again as if i never did it before!!

thus any account i give to an open ended question

....it is always fresh and new.

thus in a real sense...i can believe NOTHING!

it is all a void, i can have no life philosohy at

all....

but what about the biggies...like religion and life

after death?!!

why..better to know and not belive, as i had had those

NDE's where i have actually SEEN some of heaven, seen

jesus and SEEN some of my relatives AT the places they

live, there in some afterlife realms! far better to

Know than to merely belive! [if ya want to read my

accounts...please mail me!]

so i call myself much much better for being a bit

autistic, that is a label only for a condition where i

have to see it to know it and there is no way that i

can grasp an abstract concept like a " career track " or

a " way of life' or even... " what did i think of that

trip on the amtrak last year " ?!

freestone

>

>

=====

seen on a bridge overpass, in Rochester, ny 1970

.... " AND THE TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH " !

Freestone

freestonew@...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Trish wrote

>And it is exhausting because there is never an end with me responding

>an open ended question. An open end is what they GET!! )

>Thankful I am with this internetting posting for while writing, I

>have to focus again and again on what I really want to say, or answer

>to what someone is asking and not just go on and on and on.... and

>have to read it again and again...

>Sometimes it frustrates me...

>But when I am in a smiling mood I just say I suffer CCS (chaotic

>chatter syndrome) ))

As i've suspected for a while now, you sound very ADD to me in your

description. And i tend to like ADD people. CCS can describe me too if i

can get anyone to listen. The fact that you jump all over the place when

you write keeps me very entertained as i think in much the same way.

Best

Ric.........very ADD

[Guest guest]

Ha all,

I hope you don't think this is getting too much 'OFF TOPIC' for this

is like a therapy session for me ))

freestone wilson wrote:

>worse......oh woe and lament....someone could do this

>for their whole life!

>make some final Decision that decides all future

>descions!! like: join the way of the

>Fundamentalists...or some pre-set philosophy.

>dead wood, they are....

Oh Freestone.... these conclusions you come to..... They make me

LAUGH and the make me THINK!!!

I thought most people are just looking for safety, for tradition, for

security. Just doing their common-or-garden way of living. Just nice

neat houses and gardens and lifes. Nothing wrong with that? If they

are happy, well why not???

And ME just being the old teenager looking for a way out.

Like: " Isn't their something else in life?? " Feeling the outsider.

Saying to myself " Well, you are NOT a teenager anymore so start

BEHAVING YOU!! " ))

I thought and even admired the people who always have the same

opinion and way of life; just thinking because THEY found IT. That it

FITS their ideas, theirs lifes, their everything.... And ME always

confused what I like and want, and so different from others. So I

teached myself just to survive, nice life, be good, and found a way

to be somewhat 'normal'. )))

>but what about the biggies...like religion and life

>after death?!!

>why..better to know and not belive, as i had had those

>NDE's where i have actually SEEN some of heaven, seen

>jesus and SEEN some of my relatives AT the places they

>live, there in some afterlife realms! far better to

>Know than to merely belive! [if ya want to read my

>accounts...please mail me!]

Here is where you LOOSE me ....

I didn't have the chance (have to find the right time for this,

okay?) to read your 'heavenly' post, and even now I am MORE curious

to read them!!!

But for ME, finding the REAL thing about God, about Jesus, being told

and having tested the real meaning and God's plan with the world and

me, me, ME!!! gave me the answers, well at least enough answers, to

be totally into Jesus yes. This was the first and best experience I

have ever felt, and known that I am WORTH being, and being loved,

just for who I AM.

AMAZING!!! Still is )

I think this has nothing to do with being autistic or not, or

thinking in pictures, you know.

My Dutch friend P. he is definately AS and he is definately my

brother in Christ. So.....

I am not into making converts here; just responding you know. But I

sure want anyone the chance for having the experience I had. And

still ENJOY and NEED it (not it... HIM) every day.

>so i call myself much much better for being a bit

>autistic, that is a label only for a condition where i

>have to see it to know it and there is no way that i

>can grasp an abstract concept like a " career track " or

>a " way of life' or even... " what did i think of that

>trip on the amtrak last year " ?!

Hey, what about this question: " How are you? "

Simpel question. Yes? NO?

With me alerts go off like, what am I supposed to say? What does this

person know? Where is the person referring too? Wjat can I say? Where

do I begin. How AM I doing?? Etcetera....

Can I just say " Good yes thanks " ?

I have teached myself to say this. Otherwise I just go on and on

RATTLING and --me oh my-- cannot stop. Like NOW!!!

CCS you know ))

Full stop

Trish )

[Guest guest]

Well, now, uhm, yes, well [blush, blush, stutter, stutter....]

I don't think this list is into Asperger... This is into getting

Trish's life straightened out )))

Thank you for this!!! Ric, and also you Freestone and Betty Jo being

so supportive here (for ME).

[sigh] {happy one though]

Trish )

Re: thinking style...PICTURES

Trish wrote

>And it is exhausting because there is never an end with me responding

>an open ended question. An open end is what they GET!! )

>Thankful I am with this internetting posting for while writing, I

>have to focus again and again on what I really want to say, or answer

>to what someone is asking and not just go on and on and on.... and

>have to read it again and again...

>Sometimes it frustrates me...

>But when I am in a smiling mood I just say I suffer CCS (chaotic

>chatter syndrome) ))

As i've suspected for a while now, you sound very ADD to me in your

description. And i tend to like ADD people. CCS can describe me too

if i

can get anyone to listen. The fact that you jump all over the place

when

you write keeps me very entertained as i think in much the same way.

Best

Ric.........very ADD

[Guest guest]

--- rferris@... wrote:

> Trish wrote

>

> >And it is exhausting because there is never an end

> with me responding

> >an open ended question. An open end is what they

> GET!! )

> >Thankful I am with this internetting posting for

> while writing, I

> >have to focus again and again on what I really want

> to say, or answer

> >to what someone is asking and not just go on and on

> and on.... and

> >have to read it again and again...

> >Sometimes it frustrates me...

> >But when I am in a smiling mood I just say I suffer

> CCS (chaotic

> >chatter syndrome) ))

>

>

> As i've suspected for a while now, you sound very

> ADD to me in your

> description. And i tend to like ADD people. CCS can

> describe me too if i

> can get anyone to listen. The fact that you jump all

> over the place when

> you write keeps me very entertained as i think in

> much the same way.

>

> Best

> Ric.........very ADD

>

>

>

yes...Ric ...and others...

i read that many autistic/aspers....especially the

aspers...have sometimes, when adult and seeking a

diagnosis for their brains...they think that they are

ADD. only later does asper come into the scene.

i read, too, that 60% of asper people are ALSO partly

ADD!

i see it in me...why all of my aunt's kids on my

father's side, as well as father, have the add

comdition...runs in the family...

freestone

=====

seen on a bridge overpass, in Rochester, ny 1970

.... " AND THE TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH " !

Freestone

freestonew@...

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