Guest guest Posted May 8, 2000 Report Share Posted May 8, 2000 I totally agree with you Ric. As far as I am concerned, there should be no homework through 3rd grade. I feel far too much homework is given after those ages also. Unfortunately, many parents do not agree with you and me. I have actually been (my children were students) in environments where the parents voted about homework. They voted for more!!!! I don't understand it. In cases (such as what many of us face) where the children cannot simply do the homework by themselves in say 20 minutes, the homework totally ruins family time together. As far as I am concerned, playing with my children or reading to them would be much more productive. But I feel somewhat helpless. I have tried in the various environments and was made to feel like a criminal. Many parents and educators just do not seem to get it. In the case of educators, most of them really have no choice as these things (right down to the prescribed amount of homework) are mandated by administration. One more comment. I really really really hate all those stupid worksheets the kids bring home (every night) for their homework. I am bored with it and know they are. Many early childhood experts believe that such worksheets are not developmentally appropriate for the early childhood years. I believe this also. But changing this is as difficult as changing homework period!! Thanks for letting me vent. Betty Jo Marshall Re: New Member--Anne>>>>>>>> Anne wrote>>>> . I also have one with attention problems.>> > He is a very sweet boy (adopted). I homeschooled him this past>> year and>> >will put him in school next year so you can see where I am a bit>> anxious. I>> >will try to keep an open mind about ritalin. I have seen cases>> where it is>> >a life changer. I have also seen it way overused.>>>>>> Ritalin use is a minefield, even from a teacher's perspective.>> Some times>> it is necessary or the child cannot be constructive. Other times>> it's not>> effective . Yet other times the problem is the teacher and class>> environment. Since when is a young child supposed to be confined>> to a chair>> or forced to listen to boring lectures?>>>> Ric>> ASD/ADD and ex-teacher>>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------->----->>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------->----->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2000 Report Share Posted May 8, 2000 I totally agree with you Ric. As far as I am concerned, there should be no homework through 3rd grade. I feel far too much homework is given after those ages also. Unfortunately, many parents do not agree with you and me. I have actually been (my children were students) in environments where the parents voted about homework. They voted for more!!!! I don't understand it. In cases (such as what many of us face) where the children cannot simply do the homework by themselves in say 20 minutes, the homework totally ruins family time together. As far as I am concerned, playing with my children or reading to them would be much more productive. But I feel somewhat helpless. I have tried in the various environments and was made to feel like a criminal. Many parents and educators just do not seem to get it. In the case of educators, most of them really have no choice as these things (right down to the prescribed amount of homework) are mandated by administration. One more comment. I really really really hate all those stupid worksheets the kids bring home (every night) for their homework. I am bored with it and know they are. Many early childhood experts believe that such worksheets are not developmentally appropriate for the early childhood years. I believe this also. But changing this is as difficult as changing homework period!! Thanks for letting me vent. Betty Jo Marshall Re: New Member--Anne>>>>>>>> Anne wrote>>>> . I also have one with attention problems.>> > He is a very sweet boy (adopted). I homeschooled him this past>> year and>> >will put him in school next year so you can see where I am a bit>> anxious. I>> >will try to keep an open mind about ritalin. I have seen cases>> where it is>> >a life changer. I have also seen it way overused.>>>>>> Ritalin use is a minefield, even from a teacher's perspective.>> Some times>> it is necessary or the child cannot be constructive. Other times>> it's not>> effective . Yet other times the problem is the teacher and class>> environment. Since when is a young child supposed to be confined>> to a chair>> or forced to listen to boring lectures?>>>> Ric>> ASD/ADD and ex-teacher>>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------->----->>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------->----->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2000 Report Share Posted May 8, 2000 I totally agree with you Ric. As far as I am concerned, there should be no homework through 3rd grade. I feel far too much homework is given after those ages also. Unfortunately, many parents do not agree with you and me. I have actually been (my children were students) in environments where the parents voted about homework. They voted for more!!!! I don't understand it. In cases (such as what many of us face) where the children cannot simply do the homework by themselves in say 20 minutes, the homework totally ruins family time together. As far as I am concerned, playing with my children or reading to them would be much more productive. But I feel somewhat helpless. I have tried in the various environments and was made to feel like a criminal. Many parents and educators just do not seem to get it. In the case of educators, most of them really have no choice as these things (right down to the prescribed amount of homework) are mandated by administration. One more comment. I really really really hate all those stupid worksheets the kids bring home (every night) for their homework. I am bored with it and know they are. Many early childhood experts believe that such worksheets are not developmentally appropriate for the early childhood years. I believe this also. But changing this is as difficult as changing homework period!! Thanks for letting me vent. Betty Jo Marshall Re: New Member--Anne>>>>>>>> Anne wrote>>>> . I also have one with attention problems.>> > He is a very sweet boy (adopted). I homeschooled him this past>> year and>> >will put him in school next year so you can see where I am a bit>> anxious. I>> >will try to keep an open mind about ritalin. I have seen cases>> where it is>> >a life changer. I have also seen it way overused.>>>>>> Ritalin use is a minefield, even from a teacher's perspective.>> Some times>> it is necessary or the child cannot be constructive. Other times>> it's not>> effective . Yet other times the problem is the teacher and class>> environment. Since when is a young child supposed to be confined>> to a chair>> or forced to listen to boring lectures?>>>> Ric>> ASD/ADD and ex-teacher>>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------->----->>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------->----->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2000 Report Share Posted May 8, 2000 >One more comment. I really really really hate all those stupid worksheets >the kids bring home (every night) for their homework. I am bored with it >and know they are. Many early childhood experts believe that such >worksheets are not developmentally appropriate for the early childhood >years. I believe this also. But changing this is as difficult as changing >homework period!! Thanks for letting me vent. > >Betty Jo Marshall This is what i meant by lazy teachers. The worst offenders must consider a hard day of work running off a couple hundred of those sheets. You buy the master copy at a store.......instant seat work.......and where is the teacher.......on the cell phone talking real estate. This actually happened. At my wife's school the parent committee actually supports the worst 2nd year teacher and constantly opposes the efforts of the best. There must be some magical learning quality about having rows of desks, mountains of seat work and recitation of number facts i haven't been made aware of. And that includes in teachers collage. Where does it come from? Why do people love and value these things. i don't recall anybody who ever enjoyed sitting still for hours. Yet there they are at parent/teacher meetings. Go go Betty Jo Ric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2000 Report Share Posted May 8, 2000 >One more comment. I really really really hate all those stupid worksheets >the kids bring home (every night) for their homework. I am bored with it >and know they are. Many early childhood experts believe that such >worksheets are not developmentally appropriate for the early childhood >years. I believe this also. But changing this is as difficult as changing >homework period!! Thanks for letting me vent. > >Betty Jo Marshall This is what i meant by lazy teachers. The worst offenders must consider a hard day of work running off a couple hundred of those sheets. You buy the master copy at a store.......instant seat work.......and where is the teacher.......on the cell phone talking real estate. This actually happened. At my wife's school the parent committee actually supports the worst 2nd year teacher and constantly opposes the efforts of the best. There must be some magical learning quality about having rows of desks, mountains of seat work and recitation of number facts i haven't been made aware of. And that includes in teachers collage. Where does it come from? Why do people love and value these things. i don't recall anybody who ever enjoyed sitting still for hours. Yet there they are at parent/teacher meetings. Go go Betty Jo Ric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2000 Report Share Posted May 9, 2000 Don't even talk to me about worksheets. I hate them too. In school that is all they do is worksheets. Not only that but they do not get recess, P.E. three times a week constitutes as that. teacher only puts one sheet in front of him at a time now. When he say the whole stack he would get overwhelmed. I don't blame him I would too. I am so glad that we will be going to a different school next year. By the way does anyone have any info on Hawaii schools. On Mon, 08 May 2000 14:05:41 -0400 Betty Jo Marshall writes: > I totally agree with you Ric. As far as I am concerned, there should > be no homework through 3rd grade. I feel far too much homework is > given after those ages also. Unfortunately, many parents do not > agree with you and me. I have actually been (my children were > students) in environments where the parents voted about homework. > They voted for more!!!! I don't understand it. > > In cases (such as what many of us face) where the children cannot > simply do the homework by themselves in say 20 minutes, the homework > totally ruins family time together. As far as I am concerned, > playing with my children or reading to them would be much more > productive. > > But I feel somewhat helpless. I have tried in the various > environments and was made to feel like a criminal. Many parents and > educators just do not seem to get it. In the case of educators, most > of them really have no choice as these things (right down to the > prescribed amount of homework) are mandated by administration. > > One more comment. I really really really hate all those stupid > worksheets the kids bring home (every night) for their homework. I > am bored with it and know they are. Many early childhood experts > believe that such worksheets are not developmentally appropriate for > the early childhood years. I believe this also. But changing this is > as difficult as changing homework period!! Thanks for letting me > vent. > > Betty Jo Marshall > Re: New Member--Anne > >> > >> > >> > >> Anne wrote > >> > >> . I also have one with attention problems. > >> > He is a very sweet boy (adopted). I homeschooled him this > past > >> year and > >> >will put him in school next year so you can see where I am a > bit > >> anxious. I > >> >will try to keep an open mind about ritalin. I have seen > cases > >> where it is > >> >a life changer. I have also seen it way overused. > >> > >> > >> Ritalin use is a minefield, even from a teacher's > perspective. > >> Some times > >> it is necessary or the child cannot be constructive. Other > times > >> it's not > >> effective . Yet other times the problem is the teacher and > class > >> environment. Since when is a young child supposed to be > confined > >> to a chair > >> or forced to listen to boring lectures? > >> > >> Ric > >> ASD/ADD and ex-teacher > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ - > >----- > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ - > >----- > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2000 Report Share Posted May 9, 2000 Don't even talk to me about worksheets. I hate them too. In school that is all they do is worksheets. Not only that but they do not get recess, P.E. three times a week constitutes as that. teacher only puts one sheet in front of him at a time now. When he say the whole stack he would get overwhelmed. I don't blame him I would too. I am so glad that we will be going to a different school next year. By the way does anyone have any info on Hawaii schools. On Mon, 08 May 2000 14:05:41 -0400 Betty Jo Marshall writes: > I totally agree with you Ric. As far as I am concerned, there should > be no homework through 3rd grade. I feel far too much homework is > given after those ages also. Unfortunately, many parents do not > agree with you and me. I have actually been (my children were > students) in environments where the parents voted about homework. > They voted for more!!!! I don't understand it. > > In cases (such as what many of us face) where the children cannot > simply do the homework by themselves in say 20 minutes, the homework > totally ruins family time together. As far as I am concerned, > playing with my children or reading to them would be much more > productive. > > But I feel somewhat helpless. I have tried in the various > environments and was made to feel like a criminal. Many parents and > educators just do not seem to get it. In the case of educators, most > of them really have no choice as these things (right down to the > prescribed amount of homework) are mandated by administration. > > One more comment. I really really really hate all those stupid > worksheets the kids bring home (every night) for their homework. I > am bored with it and know they are. Many early childhood experts > believe that such worksheets are not developmentally appropriate for > the early childhood years. I believe this also. But changing this is > as difficult as changing homework period!! Thanks for letting me > vent. > > Betty Jo Marshall > Re: New Member--Anne > >> > >> > >> > >> Anne wrote > >> > >> . I also have one with attention problems. > >> > He is a very sweet boy (adopted). I homeschooled him this > past > >> year and > >> >will put him in school next year so you can see where I am a > bit > >> anxious. I > >> >will try to keep an open mind about ritalin. I have seen > cases > >> where it is > >> >a life changer. I have also seen it way overused. > >> > >> > >> Ritalin use is a minefield, even from a teacher's > perspective. > >> Some times > >> it is necessary or the child cannot be constructive. Other > times > >> it's not > >> effective . Yet other times the problem is the teacher and > class > >> environment. Since when is a young child supposed to be > confined > >> to a chair > >> or forced to listen to boring lectures? > >> > >> Ric > >> ASD/ADD and ex-teacher > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ - > >----- > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ - > >----- > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2000 Report Share Posted May 9, 2000 Ha listers, My NT Robin (probably ADHD) is 7 years old (don't now what grade that is; here is is the 4th group and he is the youngest of his group, turning 8 in September...) and he has extreme difficulties in concentrating. So he couldn't so all of the 10 question tasks and he felt so down for he failed over and over again. But for doing 'well' of what he did (I must say), I asked his teacher to, please, don't let him do all of the 10 question tasks, just 5 or 3 will do to see if he gets it. And she agreed (pheew )) That got loads of tension of Robin's back.... Trish ) **************************** Re: New Member--Anne Michele, this isn't about you but rather the exteme laziness that some teachers exhibit. From where i sit it has reached plague proportions. Two hours..EEEEK.... Grade one is numbers and introduction to reading. 5 minutes. 20 absolute tops. the child HAS to play............ You are on the right track but one hour is still too much. Maybe in grade four .....occasionally. I don't see why there has to be home work at all in primary grades. When does a child get to be a child? Even junior kindergarden is more about babysitting than learning. What fun , interactive assignments are being sent home that could warrant one hour? Nothing i've ever heard of. My wife is a primary specialist and i have never seen her do anything that didn't require her presence. Bad bad teacher. Sorry if i come across too strongly here. This is a sore issue for me. I once taught (grade 5) and found i couldn't manage it (turned out to be ADD/ASD) so i quit. Bad teachers in the system make me angry. Like i said, you are on the right track especially with your son. Ric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2000 Report Share Posted May 9, 2000 Ha listers, My NT Robin (probably ADHD) is 7 years old (don't now what grade that is; here is is the 4th group and he is the youngest of his group, turning 8 in September...) and he has extreme difficulties in concentrating. So he couldn't so all of the 10 question tasks and he felt so down for he failed over and over again. But for doing 'well' of what he did (I must say), I asked his teacher to, please, don't let him do all of the 10 question tasks, just 5 or 3 will do to see if he gets it. And she agreed (pheew )) That got loads of tension of Robin's back.... Trish ) **************************** Re: New Member--Anne Michele, this isn't about you but rather the exteme laziness that some teachers exhibit. From where i sit it has reached plague proportions. Two hours..EEEEK.... Grade one is numbers and introduction to reading. 5 minutes. 20 absolute tops. the child HAS to play............ You are on the right track but one hour is still too much. Maybe in grade four .....occasionally. I don't see why there has to be home work at all in primary grades. When does a child get to be a child? Even junior kindergarden is more about babysitting than learning. What fun , interactive assignments are being sent home that could warrant one hour? Nothing i've ever heard of. My wife is a primary specialist and i have never seen her do anything that didn't require her presence. Bad bad teacher. Sorry if i come across too strongly here. This is a sore issue for me. I once taught (grade 5) and found i couldn't manage it (turned out to be ADD/ASD) so i quit. Bad teachers in the system make me angry. Like i said, you are on the right track especially with your son. Ric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2000 Report Share Posted May 10, 2000 I went to a meeting in Columbia, South Carolina today (yes, there were lots of flag protestors to walk around)! But the topic was the fact that most teachers currently in early childhood years (birth through grade 3), are actually elementary teachers who only took a course or two to add on the certification. Therein lies much of the problem!! These people (through no real fault of their own) are conducting early childhood classes like elementary classes. They are not the same. Early childhood aged children need to construct their own knowledge, be allowed to move around and talk, and need to be able to freely interact with the teacher. Also, in early childhood, parent involvement and communication is a big piece. This is a big problem in our education sytem today -- elementary and middle school teachers should not be with our youngest children without adequate academic preparation! Best regards, Betty Jo Marshall Re: New Member--Anne >One more comment. I really really really hate all those stupid worksheets>the kids bring home (every night) for their homework. I am bored with it>and know they are. Many early childhood experts believe that such>worksheets are not developmentally appropriate for the early childhood>years. I believe this also. But changing this is as difficult as changing>homework period!! Thanks for letting me vent.>>Betty Jo MarshallThis is what i meant by lazy teachers. The worst offenders must consider ahard day of work running off a couple hundred of those sheets. You buy themaster copy at a store.......instant seat work.......and where is theteacher.......on the cell phone talking real estate. This actuallyhappened. At my wife's school the parent committee actually supports theworst 2nd year teacher and constantly opposes the efforts of the best.There must be some magical learning quality about having rows of desks,mountains of seat work and recitation of number facts i haven't been madeaware of. And that includes in teachers collage. Where does it come from?Why do people love and value these things. i don't recall anybody who everenjoyed sitting still for hours. Yet there they are at parent/teachermeetings.Go go Betty JoRic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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